BS:Bush fears US will get 'blowed up'

Subject: RE: BS:Bush fears US will get 'blowed up'
From: DougR
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 01:24 AM

First, Don, it's not a debate. It's just a lot of people expressing opinions based, one would hope, on some research or knowledge of the subject, but more likely on emotion IMOH.

I assume you are implying that this whole energy problems is a result of republican shortsightedness. I don't think so. Seems to me that the republicans have been encouraging the U. S. to become less dependent on foreign suppliers of oil by drilling our own right here in the good old USofA, since the "Actor's" (as Kendall refers to him) administration, but the democrats, who are scared s--tl--s of the evironmental extremists, have blocked every effort to do so.

So, we have a huge increase in demand, but no way to provide what is needed, without paying through the nose for it. And folks don't like that either.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS:Bush fears US will get 'blowed up'
From: BlueJay
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 01:26 AM

I think SDI is a pie-in-the sky fantasy. Mainly corporate welfare, like all the failed planes and helicopters that crash the U.S. military has poured billions into in the last decade. Somebody is smiling all the way to the bank, but not the families of our scores of dead aircraft crew.

Meanwhile, here in Colorado the percentage of companies offering health insurance to their employees has fallen to just over 50%, (according to the Denver Post). Sure, if you land a job with a major corporation, you'll be allowed to spend three or four hundred bucks a month for spotty coverage. But if you work for a small, independent business, you probably won't have health coverage at all. And thanks to Medicare and Medicaid rule changes, hospital consolidation, and the fraud of "managed care", an uninsured lady with breast cancer will be denied treatment in Colorado. Just left to die. Likewise other afflictions except immediate emergencies, which must be treated.

I know this seems off topic, but just ask the folks denied health care for terminal illnesses if they give a flying fuck about "Star Wars" defense. I think not.

Bill and Hillary had it right, but were shot down. We should provide at least basic, affordable health care for every citizen, BEFORE ensuring profitability for the military-industrial complex with dreams like SDI.

Subject: RE: BS:Bush fears US will get 'blowed up'
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 07:43 AM

Gee Doug, it sure sounds like a debate to me. One omomng friends over beers at the pub or in the fishing camp.

Damn right I blame the Reoublicans, just as much as I blame the Democrats. I blame the notion of us or them politics on the national level. Neither side has done a thing to ensure adequate energy supplies except to nay say the othersides ideas or good intentions.

Unless the US is willing to go back into the ground or really develop bio fuels, wind farms and Hydro, we are hostage to foreign oil and nuclear power plants. Yikes I forgot solar power.

I can't understand why we don't spend more time in R&D to develop save ways to burn bituminous coal and old tires, drill in the earth without fear of environmental impact or on the ocean floor for that matter. We just complain about the cost and do nothing but blunder on with old technologies.

I am amazed that we don't do more with Hydro, middle priced to build but chaep to run and not decommision costs. And they CAN BE environmental friendly. Unlike nuclear in all respects.

Don

Subject: RE: BS:Bush fears US will get 'blowed up'
From: DougR
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 01:35 PM

Do we know for certain, Don, that such research is NOT going on? I certainly don't. I believe if research by anyone, of alternative fuel sources to replace our dependence on oil results in a product, it will be embraced. The need is now, though, and discovery of such a product may not come for years.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS:Bush fears US will get 'blowed up'
From: GUEST,Don Meixner
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 08:15 PM

Doug,

I am sure research is being done. But not as a national policy. That is what I want to see. Neither the the Republicans or the Democrats have done a thing regarding a national policy except ridicule each others lack of the same. A "Manhattan Project" to find a fuel or energy source that is available without being held hostage to someone's notion of foreign policy.

Your are correct, the need is now but the solution is a ways off. Remember my earlier comment? The need was "Now" in 1980 and no one did anything except say that the solution was a long way. It still is.

I agree with you Doug, we someone to take the reins and get it done, Clinton didn't and i don't see Bush doing it either. Big power business won't because of vested interests so that leaves garage mechanics and basement inventors to do it on a grass roots level. And thats where I see the salvation of all of us coming. From the local people working locally and regionally.

Don

Subject: RE: BS:Bush fears US will get 'blowed up'
From: DougR
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 08:54 PM

But Bush did appoint a committee that came up with a Energy Policy, something I guess we hadn't had before. Do you know if any part of it delt with R&D on alternate energy sources?

Oops. I guess this discussion really belongs on the Gas thread, doesn't it. Sorry for the thread creep that I guess begain a few postings back.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS:Bush fears US will get 'blowed up'
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 17 Jun 01 - 09:13 PM