BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July

Subject: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 01 Jul 01 - 10:29 PM

As we approach the most sacred day in the litany of American public holidays, this might be an appropriate time to suggest that we let bygones be bygones , and that Britain should welcome America back into the fold again. I am quite certain that most Americans, once they had given the matter some thought, would much prefer to forget all this republican nonsense, and be governed by a monarch again, rather than by figureheads unable to command a modicum of respect.

I would be the first to admit that Britain was not entirely blameless in the runup to 1776, but hey, we all make mistakes, let's forgive and forget, eh?

I look forward to seeing a groundswell of the monarchist movement in the coming years, and the eventual reconciliation of our two great nations, with the seat of government at Westminster once again.

Besides, it would make my immigration process so much easier ...........

Murray

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: GUEST,Guess?
Date: 01 Jul 01 - 10:33 PM

And you really think that Elizabeth the Last is better that Bush the Second?

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 01 Jul 01 - 10:34 PM

Murray, will you take back Canada as well?

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 01 Jul 01 - 10:37 PM

From what I hear, Rick, Britain is accepting just about anybody these days !

Murray

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Jul 01 - 10:37 PM

Yeah Murray......just great........We can then share the governing duties and between us we ain't got a winner in the bunch! The whole monarchist thing is pretty nebulous with Charley coming along..............and then we got Dubya and Blair for the everyday stuff and the two of them couldn't muster a combined IQ higher than a banana.

I can't see it man....Way too painful. How about if I claim you as a long lost brother instead?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jul 01 - 10:40 PM

Hell, NO!!! Bad enough that the few in high seats of influence forget what we are about as a nation; I won't even deign to discuss the option of walking off. Sorry, Murray, way off base.

Or to put it more concisely, "NUTS!".

A

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 01 Jul 01 - 10:40 PM

How about long-lost son, Spaw ?

Murray

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 01 Jul 01 - 10:53 PM

spaw, I wouldn't be too sure about Blair's IQ. I view him as a slimy two-faced hyprocrite but I fear that he is quite an inteligent one.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: paddymac
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 12:38 AM

Murray - I understand from another thread that 'Spaw has already reserved accomodations for you at our favorite treatment center, and even arranged for Dr Fever to handle the ministrations. He would most likely be happy to take on a case like this, just for the fun of writing the technical paper for JGD (Journal of Grand Delusions).

I wonder if 'Spaw slipped in for an overnighter after he got out of the "other place." He seems to have recovered his complete personality and charm, which we all love so well. (:>)

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 12:47 AM

If it would make it possible for me to get dual American/Canadian citizenship, I'd vote for it. But that would mean I'd have American/Canadian/English citizenship wouldn't it? Ok. I'll go for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 12:49 AM

I remember reading the thread to which you refer paddymac, but I don't think the reservation was made in my name.

Remember, visionaries always appear insane to non-believers. Many thought Wilbur and Orville Wright insane ......................

Murray

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: DougR
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 12:54 AM

Thanks for the suggestion, Murray, but no thanks.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 01:44 AM

Only if you take back a) what you said about the King and b) Lloyd Grossman.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: hesperis
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 01:52 AM

Hehehehehehehehe.

Nice one.

Please DON'T, as we have enough trouble with our southerly neighbors without being attached at the hip politically as well, so to speak - oh, wait.

Hmmm, actually, I fear it is too late... Canada and the US are far too close in politics already. *Sigh*

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 01:56 AM

Liz, isn't Lloyd Grossman Canadian ? I could be wrong but that accent sounds Canadian to me.

Murray

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: SeanM
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 02:41 AM

Hey... let's take it even farther! Let's have the US join the EU! Then we'll start beating everyone into submission, just to piss off the (thankfully minority) reactionary Christian contingent who already are jumpy enough about the supposed 'Antichrist's One World Government'! Then after we badger the entire world into joining Amway chains and shopping at Walmart, we can start on the dolphins and sea urchins! Yeah!

Hee hee hee...

M

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: GUEST,Wilbur Wright
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 03:32 AM

Actually, Murray, Orville WAS insane. I should know.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Gervase
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 08:38 AM

Trade in a republic for a monarchy? Why in the name of blue blazes would any sane country want to take such a backward step??
I'd much rather live as a citizen than a subject. I know it wouldn't put any more bread on the table, make me more attractive to the opposite sex or a better singer, but I'd just like it.
Good luck to the Yanks - they're clearly still learning (after all, 225 years is nothing in terms of age - I've eaten cheese that claims to be older than that!), but they seem to be a half-decent bunch.
All they need to do now is get this democracy lark sorted and get the right bloke in the White House, stop consuming so much and liquidate Macdonalds, Coca-Cola and other perveyors of crud and it would truly be a wonderful world!
Happy birthday for two days' time, USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: GUEST,SharonA
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 09:04 AM

Now, wait a sec. We've got a heck of a lot more than the original 13 states that had that little tiff with the Brits way back when. If we're going to give ourselves "back" (as if), don't some of these United States then rightfully "belong" to France and Spain?

SharonA

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Mountain Dog
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 09:26 AM

Actually, if we're going to be "giving it back", it seems to me there were others here from whom it was taken in the first place...

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: sophocleese
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 09:37 AM

Gervase I like the idea of being a citizen instead of a subject as well. Even more I lke the idea of being a citizen instead of a consumer which is what our government keeps referring to us as. Pisses me right off.

Guy on the radio recently, "what we need to remember when we use the business model for education is that the public is both consumer and product." Screw you! My kids are kids not a product for a global market, look at them not at some misty financial forecast. Time to throw away the model.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 10:12 AM

Good point, Sophocleese! To label human beings as "consumers" is the ultimate insult and degradation.

We are actually creators. That is our highest calling.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Fortunato
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 10:17 AM

Gervase!
On behalf of the USA (self-appointed you understand), thank you, for the good wishes.

I view July 4th as a celebration of the genius of John Locke, George Mason and Thomas Jefferson, and the triumph of the individual rights of mankind.

It's also a great excuse for throwing a party, making music and getting slightly tight on good English beer.
So, my friend, Gervase. Have a Bishop's and celebrate with me! Chance

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Bluebelle
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 10:41 AM

No thank you. I'm quite happy being a citizen of the United States and have never had the desire to hold dual citizenship with any other country.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Bluebelle
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 11:32 AM

P.S. I'm of the opinion that anyone who wants to renounce their US Citizenship should be able to do so, with ease. There should be a stipulation, however, that to do so, is final.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: GUEST,SharonA
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 12:01 PM

Mountain Dog, you're right, of course. Silly me. Tell ya what, Murray: let's move all non-Native Americans back to the countries of their ancestors, and then you can ask the Native Americans if they want to be British subjects. If they agree, then you can move all the former US citizens who have crowded into Britain BACK to whatever the country will then be called. If they DON'T agree, then you're stuck with us.

In Philadelphia, PA, they've been having celebratory events since last weekend. One of them showcased Native American traditions; the opportunity was taken to take their case to the media for a national holiday honoring the Native American. I'd like to see, instead, a Native American History Month comparable to Black History Month (February)... but then again, I'm envisioning the year parceled out to different ethnic groups and I'm sure we'd leave someone out!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 12:46 PM

Of course any union with the States would inevitably mean the capital was Washington. No way. I'll stick with Europe.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: annamill
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 12:50 PM

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Sorry. no.

Love, annamill

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: MMario
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 12:56 PM

Gervase - did the cheese make the claim to you, personally? Have you been spending too much time communicating with 'spaw?

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: texastoolman
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 01:11 PM

hey murray
can you say
no mooooooore
mooonarchies for me..................tex

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 01:15 PM

I like the idea of joining the EU, but can I think of us as a departement of France? I'd rather be French than British - think of the food, if nothing else!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Grab
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 01:19 PM

Excuse me - did anyone ask us Brits if we _wanted_ the Yanks back? We'll celebrate 4th of July as the date we were rid of you guys... ;-)

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 02:01 PM

A counter proposal

OK, Britian Gets The Thirteen Colonies back Canada, gets Florida, Arizona, Oregon and all of the border states west of Ohio, France gets the Missippi and bordering states, Mexico gets the southwest. Hawaii becomes a tax haven like the Bahamas. We let the Native Americans have the rest and sell the Armed forces to the UN.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: JedMarum
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 02:17 PM

My English friends always told me they celebrated Thanksgiving too - only they did so on the the Fourth of July, because that was when they got rid of us!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Gareth
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 02:18 PM

Lets get back to basics.

Wales, Kernow, Kent and Cumbria back to us old Brit's.

Essex, Sussex Middlesex and Wessex back to the Saxons

East Anglia back to the Angles,

and the Norman (Norsemen) and Jutes most of whats left (including Merseyside and Dublin) back to Scandanavia.

I think I'll pass on the US of A - Or should we Celts claim that on the Voyages of Maddoc ?

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: bill\sables
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 02:58 PM

What about a US monarchy with Catspaw as King and Max as Crowned Prince. Katlaughing could be Queen Mother (when she gets older). If that was the case I wouldn't mind being part of the USA

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Mark Clark
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 02:59 PM

Murray, it sounds like a grate idea to me. You've already made some progress by moving London Bridge to Arizona. Let's just complete the process.

Of course with North America as part of England, swimming the channel will become far more challenging.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 03:42 PM

To label human beings as "consumers" is the ultimate insult and degradation. We are actually creators. That is our highest calling.

Oh, shut up, you resource!!

Management

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: DougR
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 03:58 PM

bill/sables: that means Spaw sleeps with kat, right? That might be a problem.

RobDale: You can't give Arizona to both Canada and Mexico, if you tried, war would probably break out between the two to determine who has to take us (particularly at this time of the year).

I'm happy with the way things are right now, thank you very much, and I'm going to put a nice brisket and two chickens, and some spare ribs in my smoker, make up sone potato salad, cook some cowboy beans, ice down a bunch of beer, and have my kids over on the 4th of July to eat, drink, ane celebrate our independence from ...er...ah...those folks across the pond.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Matt_R
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 04:05 PM

Canada and Mexico in a war...that would be a HOOT! I'd pick Cheopas insurgents over the Royal Canadian Army!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 04:08 PM

Doug - you've got your royals mixed up. The Queen Mother is mother of the King, or the Queen. Like Barbara Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: LR Mole
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 04:09 PM

They can have the politics as long as they leave us the music: that's what counts, anyhow, and that's FREE.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 04:22 PM

Ya... what Graham said!

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 04:33 PM

I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to have citizenship in as many countries as possible. Think of how easy that would make traveling. And you could live in different ones from time to time without all of the hassle of trying to live in a foriegn country.

Except I wouldn't want to be a citizen of any country where I had significantly fewer rights than I have here.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: DougR
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 04:37 PM

Ooooo! McGrath, you're right, of course! That would put Spaw sleeping with his mother-in-law, right?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 05:06 PM

Mexico would not want Arizona because it is overrun with retired Canadians.

Besides, we'd send hockey players to fight instead of the Canadian Armed Forces. There's more of them and they have a larger budget for equipment.

How about this? We make every Canadian Province, a state, Each Mexican State a state, join with the country having the birthday in two days and call it the United States of North America and Hawaii. We could then ALL call ourselves Americans without confusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 05:24 PM

USONAAH...

But why stop there? Take in South and Central America and it could still be called the USA.

Or take in the rest of the planet and it'd be the United States, which is what it already gets called anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 05:30 PM

Is the Queen Mother the Queen Mother when she is mother to a king or is she then a King Mother? To save ourselves having to ponder these dreadful questions lets just shoot the lot of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: InOBU
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 05:32 PM

Murry!
This coming from a Scott! When Genie and I were in the highlands in the seventies the Bus driver would not take the Britrail pass from us, as he was very clear he felt NO part of Britain, until he found we were Irish. Well, How bout Scotland calling it quits with Britain on the 4th! I'd go along with that! Maybe we can form a new confederation, the United States and the Scottish Annex (seventh floor, good tweeds and whiskey... watch your step getting off the lift...)
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 05:42 PM

Sorry Murray, We can't go for that deal of reuniting with the U.K. Thanks for the lovely offer but too many people have my fingerprints now. I don't need to add Her Majesty's goverment to the list. Kindest reguards, Irish Sergeant.