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Lyr Req: Braider's Song

SHANTYMAN 25 Dec 99 - 12:39 PM
radriano 23 Jul 01 - 01:50 PM
GUEST,Willa 23 Jul 01 - 06:51 PM
GUEST,Willa 23 Jul 01 - 07:08 PM
radriano 24 Jul 01 - 11:13 AM
MMario 24 Jul 01 - 11:17 AM
Les from Hull 24 Jul 01 - 11:51 AM
GUEST,Willa 24 Jul 01 - 01:43 PM
radriano 24 Jul 01 - 01:49 PM
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GUEST,Willa 25 Jul 01 - 06:58 PM
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Subject: Braiders'song
From: SHANTYMAN
Date: 25 Dec 99 - 12:39 PM

On his CD Trawlertown John Conolly sings the Braider's song and some more interesting songs Is there anyone who can help me with the lyrics esp. the Braider's song. Other lyrics are welcome as well.

Thanks a lot


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Subject: Lyr Add: BRAIDER'S SONG (Pete Addison)
From: radriano
Date: 23 Jul 01 - 01:50 PM

There are a lot of missing words and phrases in my transcription of this sea song written by Pete Addison of Grimsby. It's about fishermens wives making fishing nets. John Conolly & Pete Sumner recorded it on their Trawlertown album. I meant to ask them about the lyrics when they were in California earlier this year but forgot to.


Braider's Song
By Pete Addison
John Conolly & Pete Sumner, Trawlertown, The Singing of the Fishing

Now it's up in the morn to the braidin' I'll go
To the cold salt and tannen down old Fishstock Road
Where the work it is hard and the pay's not so hot
It's thirty-nine shillings is all that you've got

Chorus:
With your needles a-clicking, a-swaying and rockin'
Braid away Dolly, as firmly your lockin'
Braid away Dolly and sing us this song
As the miles of manilla are twined into one

Now you've got to be fast and your stitches all tight
'Cause Laura she's watchin' to make sure it's right
There's Joe Littles and Shooters and Bellytops too
And Wings that are creasin' way out of view

Now it's fill up your needles and make 'em a double
It's cardends we're stitchin' and they're naught but trouble
Fill up your needles, it's six pence a bowl
And Elsie's a-callin', she's fastest of all

[Well we've stitched to a net and we've braided _____]
And it's ready for trawlin' beyond the [spurn?] light
It's out on the [ ] and the cruel North Sea
A-catchin' the fish that you bring home to me


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: GUEST,Willa
Date: 23 Jul 01 - 06:51 PM

Spurn light is correct; refers to the Spurn lightship in the Hummer off Spurn Point. The Dogger bank was one of the North Sea fishing grounds
Well we've stitched you a net and we've braided it right
And it's ready for trawlin' beyond the Spurn light
It's out on the Dogger and the cruel North Sea


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: GUEST,Willa
Date: 23 Jul 01 - 07:08 PM

The road mentioned is Fish Dock Road not Fishtock Road, btw (meaning self evident). Cardends should be 'cod ends' (the cod end is part of the net)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: radriano
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 11:13 AM

Thank you very much, Willa!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: MMario
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 11:17 AM

Willa? Do you have a tune? ( I know, it's that obnoxious MMario again, always after tunes to put with the lyrics. but he's relatively harmless...)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: Les from Hull
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 11:51 AM

I imagine that should be 'sixpence a ball' as in 'ball of twine'.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: GUEST,Willa
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 01:43 PM

Yes Les, it should be 'sixpence a ball'; didn't get around to correcting that last night
MMario; won't have time to post the tune tohight as I'm going out.Will try to do you an abc tomorrow - you managed to make sense of the one I posted for 'The Sun and The Moon', I saw.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: radriano
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 01:49 PM

Thanks, Les!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: MMario
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 02:02 PM

Thanks willa! Hope you are going out to have fun...


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Subject: Tune Add: BRAIDER'S SONG (John Connolly)
From: GUEST,Willa
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 01:55 PM

Yes, I was. Went to see the new John Godber comedy.
Here's my attempt at the tune for the Braider's song.

X: 1
T: Braider's Song (John Connolly)
M: 3/4
K: Bb major
L: 1/8

B,3DF2 | E2G2B2 | B2A3G | GF3Z2 | B3AG2 | GF3ZD | D2F3D | DC3Z2 | B,3DF2 | E2G2B2 | B2A3G | F4BB | B2A2G2 | FB2Z2F | E2D2C2 | B,4Z4 ||


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: MMario
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 02:29 PM

verse and chorus to the same melody?


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Subject: Tune Add: BRAIDER'S SONG (John Connolly)
From: MMario
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 02:45 PM

MIDI file: braiders.mid

Timebase: 192

Name: Braider's Song (John Connolly)
Text: from abc by willa
Key: Bb
TimeSig: 3/4 24 8
Start
0000 1 58 110 0256 0 58 000 0032 1 62 110 0094 0 62 000 0002 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 63 110 0160 0 63 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0032 1 70 110 0094 0 70 000 0002 1 70 110 0094 0 70 000 0002 1 69 110 0256 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 65 110 0256 0 65 000 0224 1 70 110 0094 0 70 000 0002 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0032 1 69 110 0094 0 69 000 0002 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 65 110 0094 0 65 000 0098 1 62 110 0094 0 62 000 0002 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 65 110 0256 0 65 000 0032 1 62 110 0190 0 62 000 0002 1 60 110 0256 0 60 000 0224 1 58 110 0256 0 58 000 0032 1 62 110 0094 0 62 000 0002 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 63 110 0160 0 63 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0032 1 70 110 0094 0 70 000 0002 1 70 110 0094 0 70 000 0002 1 69 110 0256 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 65 110 0094 0 65 000 0002 1 65 110 0256 0 65 000 0032 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0032 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 65 110 0094 0 65 000 0002 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0224 1 65 110 0094 0 65 000 0002 1 63 110 0160 0 63 000 0032 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 60 110 0160 0 60 000 0032 1 58 110 0160 0 58 000 0416 1 58 110 0256 0 58 000 0032 1 62 110 0094 0 62 000 0002 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 63 110 0160 0 63 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0032 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0032 1 69 110 0256 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 65 110 0256 0 65 000 0224 1 70 110 0256 0 70 000 0032 1 69 110 0094 0 69 000 0002 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 65 110 0256 0 65 000 0128 1 62 110 0094 0 62 000 0002 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 65 110 0256 0 65 000 0032 1 62 110 0094 0 62 000 0002 1 62 110 0094 0 62 000 0002 1 60 110 0256 0 60 000 0224 1 58 110 0256 0 58 000 0032 1 62 110 0094 0 62 000 0002 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 63 110 0160 0 63 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0032 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0032 1 69 110 0256 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 65 110 0336 0 65 000 0048 1 70 110 0094 0 70 000 0002 1 70 110 0094 0 70 000 0002 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 65 110 0094 0 65 000 0002 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0224 1 65 110 0094 0 65 000 0002 1 63 110 0160 0 63 000 0032 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 60 110 0160 0 60 000 0032 1 58 110 0160 0 58 000
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This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the latest version of MIDItext and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T: Braider's Song (John Connolly)
M:3/4
Q:1/4=120
K:Bb
B,3DF2|E2G2B2|BBA3G|GF5|BB2AG2|GF2F2D|D2F3D|
-DC5|B,3DF2|E2G2B2|BBA3G|FF3B2|B2A2G2|FB4F|
E2D2C2|B,6|B,3DF2|E2G2B2|B2A3G|GF5|B3AG2|
GF4D|D2F3D|DC5|B,3DF2|E2G2B2|B2A3G|F4BB|B2A2G2|
FB4F|E2D2C2|B,7/4||


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: GUEST,Willa
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 06:58 PM

MMario; apologies all round, but this song is by Pete Addison, not John Connolly. I wasn't too sure when I posted it, because i bought the CD for my son, and was working from memory. I saw a friend of Pete's tonight and checked with him. Please amend the record!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: radriano
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 07:52 PM

In the first post to this thread, I did give Pete Addison as the author of the song!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: radriano
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 07:59 PM

I would encourage everyone to purchase the album Trawlertown, The Singing of the Fishing, by John Conolly & Pete Sumner, Fellside Recordings FECD135. It's an excellent recording of fishing songs.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: MMario
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 08:35 AM

I've already sent it out to Joe - but I will PM him with the info.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: GUEST,Willa
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 05:01 PM

Thanks, radriano. Your original request was about the words, and when MMario asked for the tune I didn't check back to the beginning. MMario, thanks to you, too. As far as I remember the melody is the same (or almost the same) for verse and chorus.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 24 - 11:30 AM

Now it's fill up your needles and make 'em a double
It's CARDENDS we're stitchin' and they're naught but trouble
Fill up your needles, it's six pence a bowl
And Elsie's a-callin', she's fastest of all

Instead of CARDENDS it will be COD ENDS.
The cod end is the the smaller end of the trawl where the fish are finally trapped.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Braider's Song
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 30 Nov 24 - 01:58 PM

re COD ENDS
I was just going to say that!
Also I have just been trying to recover a copy of the CD of our Fleetwood show "It All Comes Out Of The Cod End"* Unfortunately the ancient CDs from which I had to archive the sound files were well worn and the show as recorded by the late Dave Ryan is incomplete. However all the songs on another CD were completely recovered.

I was hoping that Ron Baxter's song "Braiding" would be among them but it's not. As Mudcat's "SailorRon" he used to be a frequent contributor to various maritime topics on this forum. He no longer has an on-line presence (and doesn't want one!) but he can still be contacted through me. I may already have posted the words in the "Fleetwood & Fishing: Songs of the Trawling Trade" Permathread. If memory serves me right, the lyrics are as follows -

Braiding (Ron Baxter)

Sat on the pavement on a summer's day,
Hands all a-flashing, earning your pay
With a wooden needle and a cop o' twine
Braiding's fine in the summertime.

Sat on the pavement in a scarf and brat
All of your neighbours stop to have a chat
You've no overseer bearing down
Braiding's fine in Fleetwood town

It may be nylon, but it's mostly jute
And you can work all the hours that suit
But in the end, girls, you just get paid
For all of the pieces that you've made

You think on your pay, well, it's not so grand
But you're at home on the other hand
Home wi' your kiddies at dinner-time,
Home wi' your neighbours, needle and twine.

Sat on the pavement on a summer's day,
Hands all a-flashing, earning your pay
With a wooden needle and a cop o' twine
Braiding's fine in the summertime.

Some of the braiding was done as out-work, a way for women with young children to earn some money at home. Some of the early fishermen's cottages in Fleetwood still have hooks above the front door which would be used to start off the pieces specified by the braiding-lofts.These would later be collected for stitching together to make the trawl-nets. I think the cod-ends would have been done in the lofts. Double-corded with much heavier twine, they would certainly have been "trouble".
Boris Nets is the only braiding-loft left in Fleetwood. They still make trawl-nets, and also the circus-tent-sized keep nets for Scottishh salmon-farms.


* meaning the prosperity of the town depends on the fish landing on the quay
* cop = spool
* brat = apron

Ross


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