What is wrong with pornography?

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 04:14 PM

smallpiper... good one !

As for porn, some people use it to fulfill a need / desire. I assume it's mostly single people. It is unfortunate that some people can't find that "someone special" to share this part of life. However, some unfortunate souls, for whatever reason, don't connect with a soulmate and use porn as a substitute. Hey man, whatever gets you through the day. Life is hard enough without a mate... life without ANY sex or sexual stimulation would be just going through the motions... so to speak... nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: bobbi
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 05:04 PM

English John... LMAO

Ask Ted Bundy what's wrong with porn. He's America's "Hillside Strangler." Raised in a prominent family with a good education, he says he became intrigued with the sex-death-power trip he was on by venturing into pornography at an early age. He has since been executed by our penal system.

No one should be censored...by anyone (regardless of how well meaning that person is). Censorship is akin to pornography... It leads to oppression, power trips, and bondage.. And it refutes another's right to present an opposing argument. I think this guest (flamer) has been very well dispatched by the Mudcatters he has addressed (you raised us well, Joe)... And..I would much rather read his remarks about "what's wrong with porn" than those I encountered on the thread: "The last thing I wanted to read.." (The fued between two mudcatters, Brendy & Praise) but I read all... My right to know, respond if I choose, and have an opinion. We are all adults here and do not need to be protected from the bad things of the world.. From the responses I have read, I think we are quite capable of protecting ourselves.. (no offense intended to Joe Offer, who is a good dude). As for our "Flaming Guest," who seems to have nothing better to do than look at dirty picture and pet it up, why don't you take up the harp instead? They say it's theraputic! I prefer the kazoo, myself... but can't seem to find one that's pretuned! b

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 05:16 PM

I dunno' what the big deal is here folks. Porn has been a subject around here for years. A couple of years back, I compiled the list below so we could check out all the porn sites run by Mudcatters. It's definitely time to do an update I guess, but here is the original list......You'll recognize quite a few names I believe!

bbc's Menonnite Nudes--www.stillgottabonnet.whoa
Joe Offer's Blue Nuns--www.nunsapoppin.bang
Clinton Hammond's Naked Necro--www.deadandmoldy.barf
Rick Fielding's G-Stings--www.properfinger.pos
Alan of Oz's alison's underwear--www.noballroom.eek
Skiffler's Neil Young Nekkid--www.takabath.yech
Bert's Self-Help Sex Positions--www.cantrememberhow.duh
katlaughing's Chaps in Chaps--www.broncobilly.ridem
Leej's Radio Shack Babes--www.needbatteries.buzz
Banjo Bonnie's Endowed Pluckers-www.skintlonguns.org
Big Mick's Fair One Fantasies--www.inyourdreams.noway
Aine's Orgasmic Songbook--www.hardtorhyme.tada
Micca's Night Nurses--www.iwasasleepwhathappened.huh
Liz the Squeaks Hirsute Honeys--www.hairychest.shave
Jeri's Tickled Hooters--www.dragonflies.nip
Meebo's The Art of the Nude--www.ineedlaid.help
Amos' Rhymes with Truck--www.shutupandoitstupid.buck?
Max's Big Bluesy Women--www.waxonwaxoff.ahhh
Peter T.'s Tales of Heron Love--www.doitinthewoods.eco
Dave Swan's Firehouse Hoses--www.pumperhumpers.dribble
Seed's Uncles Charles' Etchings--www.dirtyoldman.drool
WyoWoman's Bubbles of Ecstasy--www.poppembigboy.whee
Harpgirl's Nudes on the River--www.catchmeifyoucan.ha
Big RiB's Women in Prison--www.wishiwasaguard.strummit
Dave the AM's Mermaid Mamms--www.beenatseatoolong.glug
Kendall's Northwoods Honeys--www.beeninmainetoolong.uh
annap's Goodtime Gatherings--www.getoutthewesson.whee

I am always updating this list, so be sure to check in at:

Spaw's Completely Offensive Utterings-www.dummass.fockit

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 05:31 PM

Oh, shit. Wouldn't you know that Catspaw would turn this thread into a classic?
-Joe Offer, off to the Mennonite site-

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 06:19 PM

What Ian said.

There may be a use for pornography. If there is one, find all you want at google.com and don't intrude on the mood.

Two Noble Truths: [1] Everyone ought to have the right to say anything anywhere. [2] Everyone ought to refrain from exercising that right.

To those who wanted to validate this somehow, "Guest" [=Gutless] didn't ask for a dissertation on ribald music; he asked for pornographic "art." Screw him; that's pornography enough for all concerned.

CC

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Gareth
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 06:22 PM

The originator of this thread obviously likes his "sex" manually.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 06:42 PM

gnu, you are an optimist.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 06:59 PM

I'm hurt, Spaw.

Alex (the real one -- always check the spelling!)

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 07:06 PM

the elves are getting heavy-handed in the deletions, hmmm?

*shrug*

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Burke
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 09:11 PM

I love spaw's list, but Joe's reaction is what really got me laughing!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 09:26 PM

bobbi-The point is we are NOT all adults here, as i said to Guest kids visit this website, it is mainly a music site, and I dont think porn is suitable here, if joe deleted the porn I think he did the right thing, however I have no wish to argue with you or anyone else so I wont read this thread again.john in hull

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: bobbi
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 11:40 PM

I don't think porn was posted.. only a request for some links.. There has been much worse language used in other threads. Lest we lose sight of the original issue.. which was simply a stupid request that I'm assuming no one honored.. I would like to requst that catspaw49 update those links though.. I tried most all of them without success. Thought I really hit pay-dirt there for a while. And I WILL be checking in later! (After I finish reading the thread on "What's Your Pimp/Prostitute Name) Bet the kids got a kick out of that one!

tsk! b

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Bernard
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 06:34 AM

Porn on the cob or sweetporn?

I have pornflakes for my brekkie...

Pornography can't be all bad - look at the wads of cash people who produce it are making!! ;o>

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 07:39 AM

The Kipper's Cricket song might be in their song book, which has stuff from the first two albums and the Cromer Crab wars. If not, PM me and I'll try and find my copy which has a handwritten version in it, if the original isn't printed.

LTS

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 09:29 AM

I liked that smutty James Bond movie with Porn Connery. Spaw -I'm going to frame your list - it's a gem!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Snuffy
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 11:30 AM

Try the Lassie films for hard-paw corn

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: IanC
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 01:39 PM

Noreen

Not as good as the real thing! ;-)
Ian

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 02:25 AM

If you are in a LOVING, MONOGOMOUS, RELATIONSHIP.....

Pornography is WRONG!!!!

Because...it HURTS the person you LOVE.

Your beloved spouse is the one that you have pledged fedelity to.

To imagine, to fantisize, to bring pornography into the relationship, lessens and cheapens, and de-values the beloved mate to whom you have pledged your SACRED honor.

Infedelity, immorality, indecency, spans itself within the mind man.... Do NOT allow the seeds to even sprout!!! Weed them out...at the nearest opportunity.

Imagine the hurt, sorrow, tears, of those you cherish most dear....discovering "your most hidden files."

PLEASE>>>> seek spiritual help soon!!!

You will be happier...... and your loved ones will be protected from the shame.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 04:17 AM

Gee Garg........Is fedel any relation to fidel? Or are you talking about package deliveries to Castro? Whatever.....Be sure to read my post to you over on the THOUGHT FOR THE DAY THREAD

Now Greg, go off and play with your little dick.

Spaw

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Noreen
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 06:54 AM

Ian: and disappointing at the end... like the real thing? :0)

Noreen

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 10:09 AM

While we're at it...what's wrong with:

Cannibalism?

Sollipsism?

Narcissism?

Sodomy?

Gomorrahcitationism?

I think we should discuss those in depth. Whaddya say, Spaw?

- LH

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 10:19 AM

Oh, yes, and polygamy...or is that polyandry?

- LH

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 10:48 AM

telephony?...parsimony?...balony?....entropy?...alimony?....oh, sorry, those last two are redundant

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: InOBU
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 02:57 PM

Spaw!!!!
Ya missed one... there is this web site where some nut case gets all strapped to a radiator like thing with leather straps and like, pumps the thing and it makes wailing noises very kinky, you can find more about this at http://sorchadorch.com (yup the ol' plugomatic never misses a beat... ) Anyway, this old SOrchadorcha thingie, is going to have some wierd kinky CD out soon... so keep checking out the sick kinky web page...
Anonimously yours,
Not InOBU, or Larry, but someone who did not sign his her or its name... Cheers

Subject: Lyr Add: MOLLY BLOOM (Tom Paxton)
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 08:37 PM

Molly Bloom

I'm in love with Molly Bloom.
I want to have her in my living room,
Whispering sweet nothings in my ear.
When I heard what Molly said,
Good golly how my ears turned red.
That's par for the course for Molly Bloom.

Some people are daring.
They get a bit risqué.
When Molly is swearing,
She's passing the time of day.
People walking on the avenue,
Were swearing that the air was blue.
It wasn't a thing but Molly Bloom.

I'm in love with Molly Bloom.
Every sentence is the crack of doom.
She says exactly what's on her mind.
Some people have Freudian slips,
But that's honey from Molly's lips.
That's idle chatter for Molly Bloom.

The Supreme Court met her,
And took her to tea.
And now that they've met her,
They're setting Ralph Ginsburg free.
When Molly starts cutting loose,
Norman Mailer is like Mother Goose.
He's pretty tame for Molly Bloom.

When Molly has something to say,
I wouldn't miss it.
When Molly is carried away,
She's so explicit!

[musical interlude with kazoos]

I'm in love with Molly Bloom.
Her voice is sweet perfume.
Her voice is music to my ears.
She'll write me a letter I hope,
In an asbestos envelope.
And we will live in a soundproof room
Just Molly and me, my Molly Bloom.

--by Tom Paxton

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 08:53 PM

P** P* B**** B** D******

Well, I take it that all of us are in favour of freedom of speech, provided it's not calculated to change our western way of thought. I'm all for freedom of speech myself, Swann too has fought a lifetime fighting against censorship. I must say we do feel that perhaps the whole field of literature and the arts has got a little too uninhibited lately, wouldn't you say. I mean, modern plays and films and books and so on; there doesn't seem to be anything you can't say nowadays in public. You can say things in public that you would hesitate to say in private. These four letter words and so on. I am very much opposed to this. There are very few of these four letter words left. If they all come into common use, we shall have nothing left for special occasions. Still, we feel that the time has perhaps come for us to take our stand on the somewhat polluted beaches of the nouvelle varge, to say goodbye to mealy-mouthed hypocracy, which has served us so well for so long, and come right out with something adult, fearless and forthright. And filthy.

Ma's out, Pa's out,
Let's talk rude!
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.
Dance round the garden in the nude,
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.
Let's write rude words all down our street,
Stick out our tongues at the people we meet,
Let's have an intellectual treat for
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.

Sunday again on CBC,
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.
And Norman Mailer's coming to tea,
Pee Po Belly Bum Pants!
Alan Ginsberg reads on and on,
But we're having a happening when he's gone,
Come to the party in the John,
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.

Disney's planning a double bill,
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.
Christopher Robin meets Fanny Hill,
Pooh Bear Belly Bum Drawers.
On stage and screen we all work hard,
Throwing toilet rolls in our own backyard,
Who's afraid of the avent garde?
Pee, Pee, Po, Po, Belly, Belly, Bum, Bum, Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.

What gets prizes and wins awards?
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.
What did prince Phillip tell the Lords?
Well, never mind that.
At Oxford and Cambridge, and Yale and all,
At Berkely, they really have a ball,
'cos the higher the brow, the harder they fall,
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers.

--Flanders and Swann

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Chicken Charlie
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 06:02 PM

I try to live by two rules. (1) A person should have the right to say anything he or she wishes. (2) A person should have the sense to refrain from exercising that right.

CC

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: bobbi
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 06:21 PM

InObu must be a gargoyle!!!! Eewwwwwwwwww! So obvious! Now he/she or it, is stalking Sorcha.... The man needs to get laid, obviously!

Okay Little Hawk... What's wrong with cannibalism? (Isn't that where you get eaten?) ;-)

Chicken Charlie: Never, ever refrain from exercizing your rights, Love! Even a hand grenade held under a lead bucket is ineffective... Use what you have at your disposal to the fullest measure.. That's the only way it will ever be effective! (I can breathe....but I chose not to!) Ha!

b

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 06:33 PM

cannibalism is where you get eaten ONCE..

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 11:46 PM

BRAVO
FOR JOE O.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 12:04 AM

bobbi, that addy InOBU listed is for his real live band and the radiator type thingie he talks about is the pipes he plays. It just happens that his band has Sorcha in its name, too. I can assure you he isn't the garg-oil.**BG**

kat

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 12:13 AM

I second that, bobbi. InObu and I were both a little amused about the situation. You see, Sorcha is an Irish name which means "bright"--shining, not smart. Dorcha is the Irish Gaelic for dark........You are not the first to be confused.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 12:17 AM

And besides, Ol' Larry, The Plug-O-Matic, is generally so busy plugging his band (SorchaDorcha) that he has limited time for matters of a sexual nature. I think his wife might have given him some hand lotion for Christmas, but that's about it...................

Now I will tell you that if there is some way Larry could use garg for a plug (no, not a butt plug) for the band, he'd do it. I can see it now................

Even complete and sniveling little pissant gutterspouts LOVE Sorcha Dorcha.......Normal people will find them orgasmic!!!

........which is more than can be said for Larry.

Spaw

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 03:24 AM

Little Hawk wrote:

While we're at it...what's wrong with:

...

Sollipsism?

It's speled rong.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: InOBU
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 08:25 AM

Gee guys... I'm hurt, wounded! To think I would stauk our own dear Sorcha... but more... that there is ONE person in the world who has not heard of the hardest working band in the Celtic World, Sorcha Dorcha!!! AND hurt that you all would think that I would jump on the band wagon of thowing bricks at the old Garg. I've been civil to the old goyle, and he's been civil to me... Why? (TALK ABOUT THREAD CREEP!!!) Well, because it is just right to be civil, because... you never know who may some day want to BUY A CD! SO! Gargoyle! I never sent you a free Sorcha Dorcha CD! Let me remidy that! Gargoyle! Drop me an email at [e-mail], and I will send you the latest demo, with several live recordings and THREE studio cuts which are to me on our CD, soon to be released on Hearthside Recordings!
YES! Here it is in all it's glory! The shamless pornography of the full monty-like band plug!!!
Actualy, about the wifie, Spaw, Genie is a lawyer, works 6am to 12 midnight... so that must be why all the Fruedian imagery in our band's music, all that sublimating... What Fruedian imagery??? Well, in a few months, the CD will be out and you can all find out!
THIS PLUG HAS BEEN PAID FOR BY CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE PORNOGRAPHIC BROTHERHOOD AND SISTERHOOD OF IRISH CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT SEX INDUSTRY WORKERS BELFAST DISTRICT LOCAL FIVE...
See ya...
Larry

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 10:59 AM

Where else but on Mudcat can a discussion on porn degrade into a posting of Flanders & Swann lyrics and talk of insects.

What do crickets have to do with pictures of nekkid wimmen?

Wincing Devil   >;-( When all other means of communication fail, try words.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 11:23 AM

Phew, Wincing Devil, I clicked and was really worried when I didn't see your Buck Naked Kitties, but then I figured I'd see what a c/shanteyman thought a nekkid woman looked like, clicked on and was so relieved to see your Minnie, in the pink and lookin' fine!**BG**

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 21 May 10 - 12:01 AM

A couple months ago, my newspaper had an article about the arrest of a couple men for making and distributing child pornography. A local sheriff said, "This is actually the raping of small children."

A few days ago, there was an article about the trial of man who forced others into prostitution. He had beaten, raped and burned them. Quite possibly some of them would have wound up making pornography, apparently willingly.

Does that answer the original question?

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 May 10 - 03:39 AM

That is only true, Leenia, of pictorial pornography, and some of it at that. So, no, it does not answer the question "What is wrong with pornography". It answers the question "What is wrong with some ways of making some pornography"?

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:32 AM

Doesn't belong in the music section. There's plenty wrong with it. and that's the first thing.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:36 AM

Oops. I noticed it was in the BS section.

1. It is an industry that encourages abuse.
2. It objectifies humans particularly women.
3. It is addictive.
4. It is mostly stupid.
5. Erotica is different than pornography. (Sex can be funny).
5. It gives religious nuts on too much with which to concentrate

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:51 AM

What's wrong with porn? It's usually totally shite! Maybe because it's virtually exclusively aimed at blokes? But then even my fella doesn't find most porn interesting either, so maybe it's because it's aimed at a particular type of bloke?

I think there has been more naturalistic stuff made in modern times - just real people enjoying themselves - but I can't say as I've kept abreast of it (Sorry ..I know, that was pure carry on)

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 May 10 - 10:01 AM

I don't class this as 'porn', I would tag it as 'erotica' for those who might find such imagery sexually attractive (I certainly know couples that like it). And It's definitely an antidote to some of the fakery out there online. I don't find this site 'objectifies' women at all.

Real women enjoying showing their ornamented bodies off: http://suicidegirls.com/

There's some semi-nude images on the first page, but nothing to shock.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 May 10 - 12:31 PM

The distinction between art and pornography is notoriously elusive. Many of those who condemn "porn" seem also to believe that sex is bad as such, unless redeemed by some approved thing - eg marriage, or love, or something. I have no time for that attitude. Some who defend art that is sexual (or otherwise apt to be attacked by some as "porn" seem to feel that artistic merit is a sufficient defence to an accusation of pornography. I suspect that that may be to go too far.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 May 10 - 12:53 PM

Now there's an interesting thing, I find tattoos obscene. I find people who have their baby's ears pierced, obscene.
The old excuse, 'It's my body and I can do what I like with it' doesn't seem to wash with some folks.
I daresay, you might get thar response from some people who are involved in pornography.
Not everybody involved in activities of which one disapproves, is doing it unwillingly.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 21 May 10 - 02:35 PM

What is bad: distorting young (or old) people's images, coercion, violence, rape.
What is good: nekkid wimmin (or men if you are of a female or gay persuasion).
What is distasteful: 99.99999% of internet porn (of COURSE I've seen 100.00000%), which is about as stimulating as a gynaecology text book.
What else is bad: every site is trying to get hold of your credit card details or plant a spambot on your computer.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 May 10 - 02:40 PM

"Many of those who condemn "porn" seem also to believe that sex is bad as such, unless redeemed by some approved thing"

Good point. Like you say, there is some kind of formal sanction for 'erotica' that thereby elevates the material 'beyond' the sexual realm, and thus makes it safe to indulge in without worry that you are somehow debasing yourself.

There's something Sooo self-deceptively 'Brave New World' about that. One of the most amusing examples would be archeological or anthropological porn, which one may admire at an intellectual distance for it's possible historical/cultural interest but *never* for it's universally applicable immediate sexual reality.

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 May 10 - 02:53 PM

Spamabot

Be prepared to laugh uncontrollably!

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: mousethief
Date: 21 May 10 - 03:21 PM

Maybe because it's virtually exclusively aimed at blokes? But then even my fella doesn't find most porn interesting either, so maybe it's because it's aimed at a particular type of bloke?

[i]Road and Track[/i] is aimed at a particular type of bloke. Does that make it wrong?

Subject: RE: What is wrong with pornography?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 May 10 - 03:40 PM

Nakedshorts/wallstreet.com

gnu is either a woman or a man without testesterone. Men can carry around only so much active sperm. Storage space is a premium no matter how big the balls and ducts.

The SCOTUS knows porn when they see it so they continue to keep abreast of porn whenever possible.