Origins of: Found on Mudcat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 11:10 PM

Guess sometimes it is better to use the OLD Forum Search. Thanks, Joe.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:49 PM

Now where was that thread, Joe, when I went looking for it. Thanks.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 02:08 PM

The thread has been continued at Origins of: Found at Mudcat - PART TWO.

Please post there. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:49 PM

Time to break this thread, George and Kat?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:47 PM

Strawberry Roan - Sheepherders version?
Title should be: Strawberry Roan - Outlaw Broncho

English version of German O Du Fröliche
Three titles, O Du Fröliche, O Sanctissima, O Thou Joyful Day, and tune, Sicilian Mariners

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:15 PM

Try this one for Don't Fence Me In. I think there are three major threads for the song - I put crosslinks in the first message of each. I get a kick out of the ways Cole Porter came up with some of his songs..
and I get a kick out of you...

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 11:46 AM

Thanks, George. I didn't find it, either, but I did find a gem in this thread, Joe offer's last post has some history of the song: Miss Otis AND, Chords for

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 11:22 AM

I can't find it, but I was sure we had a thread on this song. All I could find was Alice's one message here. I remember reading a thread where we discussed Cole Porter taking over this song and giving the author's name.

Don't Fence Me In

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:49 AM

And it is really thanks to you for keeping it organized so others can use it easier. I usually do a "Find" in the browser so I never worried about it being in alphabetized form, but I can see why it would make newer people to the thread happier.

Thanks again for all the hard work.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:47 AM

Nope, not brilliant. Just noticed at the time how a lot of people were after the story behind the song, as well as the lyrics and or chords. Since we (Mudcat) were doing a lot of consolidating I thought this idea up. Now, it was probably several months before I posted the first thread message. That's why the first one had so many in it.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:12 AM

George, you are amazing! Now that I don't have to work at getting this one consolidated, I will easily have time to get these news ones listed in a timely manner.

Thanks, no it wasn't on purpose that they wound up on the same line. I will go edit them now. Thanks a bunch. This is all due to you and your kind work and brilliant idea!

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 09:47 AM

Fear a Bhàta - The Boatman
Mairi's Wedding
Tune For Mairi's Wedding

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 09:16 AM

Holly and the Ivy - Older discussion
Holly and the Ivy - Some recent insights
Freeze the Balls off a Brass Monkey - Not a song, but the expression

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 08:46 AM

Two more:

Hush Hush, Time to be Sleeping
Mist Covered Mountains/Chì Mi Na Mórbheana

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 08:28 AM

It looks good, Kat.

One question. Both here and in the new thread, there are two songs on the one line. My Green Valleys and My Wild Irish Rose. Was this deliberate?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 03:05 AM

One more thing - The title of this thread is "Origins of: found on Mudcat." It's an intriguing title, abut a little hard to understand. Might I suggest that you kick around the idea of a different title for the PermaThread? I'd suggest Song Origins PermaThread™ - not catchy, but it tells the story.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 01:24 AM

Dicho, YES!! That's it! I think that would work wonderfully well, as so many have expressed a desire to preserve their comments and their contributions. It would make it a lot easier for me, too.

Heya, Joe, I'll send you a PM, too, but if that's okay with you and George, let's do that: make a permathread of the a-z and leave this one intact. People can add to this one and I'll do the transfer. How's that sound?

How elegant and simple! Don't know why my brain was making it so complicated.

Thanks, Dicho!

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:48 AM

Kat, could all your a-z compilation go to one thread, and our submissions, necessarily random in order, go to this one and parts 2, 3, 4 subdividing at 100 message intervals as needed?
I think this may what you were proposing in an earlier thread, but not sure. Comments and submissions would still be preserved, but would not clutter the compilation.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:31 AM

Who Was Kishmul
Title should be: Kishmul's Galley

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:21 AM

The straight compression will be a great help. Searches for origins repeat and repeat. No need for comments in the listing (unless something obviously confusing shows up).
Wonderful, Kat!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:10 AM

Gee, I hadn't noticed that this thing had grown so big. George and Kat, if you want to turn it into a PermaThread, let me know. We'll start a new thread and designate it as an edited PermaThread, and draw the information from this one and maybe close this one off.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 10:55 PM

Oops. I meant columns in an Excel spreadsheet, which is what WYSIWYG was talking about up there for creating an alphabetical listing to just copy and paste into the thread. Guess it doesn't apply to the consolidation thing anyway...ah, well. Nivver mind.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 10:41 PM

So what you can do is enter two columns of stuff Thread Name and URL
This shouldn't take too much effort, since you just copy the thread name and paste it in between the HTML tags.
You set up the second column so it has a whole bunch of <a href=></a>
You can copy the shortcut for a specific link and paste it into the correct place in the HTML in the second column.
Copy the text of the link, and paste it into the first column, and into the HTML for the link.

Now you can highlight both columns, and sort them by alphabetical order of the first column - "Thread Name."
When you get ready to paste them into a thread, just select the second column to paste, and you're all done.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 10:05 PM

Thanks for the kind words. MMario.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 09:19 PM

Lads of Virginia - History?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: MMario
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 08:07 PM

george - I am amazed at the sheer ambition of your project! well done! keep up the good work.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 07:59 PM

Loch Tay Boat SongKatlaughing, in the alphabetized set, there are a number of references to Loch Lomond threads. The first one listed, is the same thread as the 4th one, #9274

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 08 Dec 01 - 01:27 PM

Christmas Bells - I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 09:15 PM

Croppy Boy
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 09:10 AM

My Green Valleys

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:35 AM

I just found this thread. Amazing

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 01:24 AM

Kat, if Joe is going to designate that you can have a Permathread, all you need to do is start a Part Two of this one as a feeder thread, and later a Part Three if needed, etc., and make a Permathread that always has the latest updated and re-alphabetized list. Just be sure each feeder thread has a big bold headline-sized link to the Permathread of alphabetized material. And each feeder thread should say in its opening post that it IS a feeder thread.

Another option if Joe does not want another Permathread on the block, is just always start another Part each time you update and re-alphabetize-- make it the opening post of the new Part, and leave all the comments and contributions intact in the previous parts. Then your ending post as you bring each part to a close would be something like, "Please see Part X (CLICK!) for an alphabetized list of all submissions to date, or to add links to newly-found "Origins" threads."

~S~

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 10:19 PM

Johnny Be Fair

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 09:56 PM

All The Tunes in the World

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 06:13 PM

LOL, thanks, George. I will get it done by the end of this week, then. Thanks, Ed.

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 05:29 PM

That "Guest" was actually me. Sorry. I think it's a great idea.

Boil Dem Cabbage Down
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: UB Ed
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 03:13 PM

Do it Kat! Bless you for the time and wherewithall.

Ed

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 07:44 PM

Dueling Banjos
 
Good Old Rebel
 
Red Haired Man's Wife
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:55 PM

Makes Sense Kat!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 11:46 AM

You're very welcome, Sourdough. As long as there are people who enjoy what the Mudcat is all about then we'll have many others who will contribute interesting items to the threads.

HEre's anothere one:Sweet Betsey From Pike
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Sourdough
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 09:11 PM

George -

This is such a weolcome reminder of what Mudcat is really about, a place where people with knowledge share it with people with interest.

I think I got some idea of what is involved when you described what you were able to get done in 18 hours of work.

Thank you so very much for what is more than a convenience, it will turn out to be a real reference book.

Sourdough

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 01:26 PM

I propose we form the Finders-Keepers of Mudcat. There is a LOT of indexing needed around here, and there must be people willing to head up other work groups. Just think, if one is a FINDER we all get to KEEP what we have here.

~S~

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:46 AM

George, I think I just learned to rely on what I can with file and text conversions, before I had a computer that could search as fast as this one. Both ways are good.

Of course you know what will happen-- as soon as we make a little more progress someone will come along with the REALLY easy way! *G*

~Susan

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:21 AM

Personally, I am nowhere near as organized as you.

As I said, I started with message #0 and I'm into the 300s right now. LAbour Day was great. I was here pretty near 18 hours and went from about 220 to about 305 in the one day. Usually, I get 4 or 5 done in a day.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:18 AM

Sounds great, Susan.

I think you mis-apprehend. There is no "group" as such for this thread. I started it, and anyone is welcome to add to it as they encounter something.

I started a project of my own to see what was in some of the "ancient" threads, and so started with message #0. This started after I did the initial collection for this thread. This thread came about because I noticed a lot of messages looking for the background or origins to songs, many of which were already discussed, so I thought I'd put them into one central thread. Much like you're doing on the Spirituals. AFter I got the major group done, others added to it, and Katlaughing thought it would be nice to have an alphabetized list, and I thought it was a wonderful idea. So, any new additions have imposed on her good graces to add them to the alphabetized list.

There is no "central authority" in this thread. I'm just rambling through the old messages and as I find a discussion which fits in here, I add it in.

Some of those pertain to old lyric requests and I try to answer them if I can, either with links to later discussions, or posting lyrics if I can find them.

Sometime I will have to add to the Unanswered Requests threads those I have seen which still aren't answered and I can't find.

Anyway, let's keep having fun.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:01 AM

Oy!

Here's my plan: I decided I am going to build the spirituals index in Excel, searching by keywords, pasting in URL's by Copy Shortcut. Then I can paste the song title into that field and then I can search-replace around the URL to add the blicky coding, and line breaks, and let Excel aphabetize them. I should end up with a converted text file of working, alphabetized links.

Then I think I will do forum searches and supersearches using the titles of known spirituals from the OTHER index of spirituals I am building from various online databases-- spirituals that have appeared in known printed works or online collections.

I wonder if a method your group could use would be taking DT song titles and doing forum Filter and Supersearches on those? You would have two windows open, or three-- one with the search box and one with DT titles, then you'd copy from the DT title list and paste in the search box? That's how I will do my searches-by-title I think.

Any other tips you can share with me?

~Susan

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 10:11 AM

Well, I go through the message base, one by one. Using this url,

http://ragtime.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=

and put in a number after the equal sign.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 08:25 AM

George, which old messages-- what criteria, and which of the Mudcat search functions?

Thanks,

~Susan

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 02:16 AM

NEW San Antonio Rose
 
I Dreamed There Were Unicorns - Bill Caddick
 

What I have been doing is looking through old messages. I'm up in the 300s right now. As I find something that gives me an origin on a song, I make note of it, and put it here.

Good thread, your Spirituals one. I'll add to it as I see something which fits there.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 10:58 PM

George, will you be asking him or should I?

And hi everyone-- thanks for inspiring me to start indexing the spirituals. I am watching how you go about this-- are you each finding what you posted yourselves, or what are you doing to find these?

I started by doing a search among my own ADD's, and then I started looking at Stewie's. Any other ideas? (Yes I did a search on the word [spirituals].) Or others you think may have posted a lot of spirituals?

And if you run into blues items that have origins as spirituals (specific ones), wouldja give me a holler in a PM, like a link to the message here where it's posted?

Thanks, and GOGOGOGOGOGOGO!

~S~