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mcpiper 16 Aug 01 - 06:21 AM
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Subject: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: mcpiper
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 06:21 AM

Hello to all. Is there anything in folklore regarding the 7th son of a 7th son. I work with one who claims to be such a person, and seem to remember sayings etc. about them. Any info, tales, superstitions, or indeed any songs would be a real help, and maybe help to shut the bugger up.
Thanks, mcpiper.


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Letty
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 06:35 AM

Well, traditionally 7th sons of 7th sons are supposed to be witches or at least have some magical powers.

Here's a quote I had lying about somewhere (don't know the source):
Belief in the special gifts of a Seventh Son or Daughter
can be found in Folklore throughout the world. Leslie
Shepard in his 'Encyclopedia of Occultism and
parapsychology' states that in Romania the Seventh
Child is fated to become a vampire. And that in
England in the seventheenth century there were
reports of a Seventh Son healing the deaf blind and
lame.
In France, The Seventh Son was called a 'Marcou' and
branded with a 'fleur-de-lis' {reknown worldwide as a
symbol of the Divine & Quality, and all that is Holy,
Click this Link for history}. Good Luck was also said
to attend the Seventh Child. In olden days, when
Captains of Merchant Ships were setting sail on long
voyages, they would try, 'often by force if
neccessary' to have a Seventh Son on ship as Legend
has it that the Ship wouldn't sink with a Seventh Son
on Board
The reason why the Seventh Child as opposed to the first
or the fifth for example-should have 'Special Powers'
has it's roots in ancient beliefs. The number Seven
has many mystical and religious associations. Apart
from the Bible telling of God creating the world in
Seven Days, The number features throughout the old
and new testaments.
Seven is a very significant number in numerology and is
the basic unit of transition in natural cycles from
the week as a phase of the lunar cycle to the idea
that many of life's patterns are divided in phases of
Seven.

Letty


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: mcpiper
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 07:03 AM

Thanks Letty, 14 minutes for a reply, not bad at all, some interesting info. Any songs anyone?
Cheers, mcpiper


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Crazy Eddie
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 08:52 AM

No songs, but in Ireland 7th sons of 7th sons were (are?) believed by many (some?) to have powers of healing.

In Terry Pratchett's discworld, the eighth son of an eighth is a wizard. Wizards are supposed remain celibate, to avoid any possibility of an eighth son of an eighth son of an eighth son. Such a one would be a sourcerer, (able to touch the source of magic), with enough power to destroy the entire world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: The_one_and_only_Dai
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 08:58 AM

Oh yes. Iron Maiden had an album out in 1988, entitled thus. I was there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: jeffp
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 09:07 AM

Rory Gallagher had an electric blues song called, "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son." I believe it was on Blue Thumb Records, sometime in the late Sixties or early Seventies.

jeffp


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE SEVENTH SON (Willie Dixon)
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 10:03 AM

THE SEVENTH SON
W. DIXON sung by JOHNNY RIVERS

Everybody talkin' 'bout the seventh son
In the whole wide world there is only one

And I'm the one, I'm the one
I'm the one, I'm the one
The one they call the seventh son

I can tell your future, it will come to pass
I can do things to you make your heart feel glad
Look in the sky, predict the rain
Tell when a woman's got another man

I'm the one, oh I'm the one
I'm the one, I'm the one
The one they call the seventh son

I can talk these words that will sound so sweet
They will even make your little heart skip a beat
Heal the sick, raise the dead
Make the little girls talk outta their heads

I'm the one, oh I'm the one
I'm the one, I'm the one
The one they call the seventh son

------ lead guitar ------

I can talk these words that will sound so sweet
They will even make your little heart skip a beat
Heal the sick, raise the dead
And make the little girls talk outta their heads

I'm the one, oh I'm the one
I'm the one, I'm the one
The one they call the seventh son

I'm the one, hey, hey
I'm the one
Oh, I'm the one, babe
Oooo, I'm the one
I'm the one, I'm the one
The one they call the seventh son
I'm the one, I'm the one
The one they call the seventh son

SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON
IRON MAIDEN

Here they stand brothers them all
All the sons divided they'd fall
Here await the birth of the son
The seventh, the heavenly, the chosen one

Here the birth from an unbroken line
Born the healer the seventh, his time
Unknowingly blessed and as his life unfolds
Slowly unveiling the power he holds

Seventh son of a seventh son
Seventh son of a seventh son
Seventh son of a seventh son
Seventh son of a seventh son

Then they watch the progress he makes
The Good and the Evil which path will he take
Both of them trying to manipulate
The use of his powers before it's too late

Seventh son of a seventh son
Seventh son of a seventh son
Seventh son of a seventh son
Seventh son of a seventh son

Today is born the seventh one
Born of woman the seventh son
And he in turn of a seventh son
He has the power to heal
He has the gift of the second sight
He is the chosen one
So it shall be written
So it shall be done


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Peg
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 10:18 AM

Seven, in numerology, is a very powerful and magical number. Being born "under the seven" in the old days meant you were destined to be taken into mystical training of some sort...it represents completion and understanding and wisdom and a deep connection to the unseen world (dreams, etc.); hence children whose birthdates corresponded to it were closely watched to see if they had powers or skills that went beyond the usual...I would imagine the seventh son of a seventh son thing is related to this...

I have also heard the vampire thing repeated widely...

one pal of mine is a seventh son; he is a horror writer by trade.

Peg


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 10:42 AM

I belive it was Orson Scott Card who wrote a series of books (fantasy/fiction/sci-fi)about this......can't remember any titles, tho.


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 11:23 AM

Amazon says this is the first one, Sorcha: "Seventh Son (Tales of Alvin Maker."


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 01:49 PM

I think there is a line about the 7th son of a 7th son in The song "Who Do You love?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: okthen
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 02:02 PM

I think there's a reference in hoochie coochie man, by muddy waters.

The healer Mathew Manning (here in UK) is a seventh son of a seventh son, a man of remarkable abilities. He live not far from me, and bought a house on an intersection of 2 lay lines.

Thanks Mary in Kentucky for reminding me of Mose Alison.

cheers

bill


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 02:10 PM

In my family (UK)the seventh son of a seventh son was thought to have mystic powers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: vindelis
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:11 PM

An't they supposed to have second sight?


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: vindelis
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:12 PM

Soory that should have read: Aren't they supposed to have second sight? I haven't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,CFJS
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:47 PM

I don't know where she got the basis of the folklore from but a British writer Susan Cupper wrote a whole series of young adult fiction books where based around british folk lore, traditions, myths and ledgends, where the lead character 'Will' was a seventh son of a seventh son, and as a result was one of the 'Old Ones', not vampires but sort of gardians of mankind. don't know if this is of interest....


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:52 PM

There is a lake in Northrumbria, under the shadow of Hadrian's wall called Broomlee Lough. Legend has it that viking treasure lays buried there and can only be extracted by twin white horses and twin oxen which are chained together by a golden chain which is made by (wait for it ,wait for it!!) a blacksmith (here it comes!) who is the seventh son of a seventh son. The National Trust has just bought the property but in the contract there is a caviat which allows the original owners family to continue to search for the treasure for the next 99 years. I have written a song about it the chorus goes:
Five fathom five, my father lies asleep,
and on his head a golden crown and in his slumbers deep
it is twice for the man I am, and twice the golden mane
and the seventh son of a seventh son will strike the golden chain ,five fathom five.
I only have snippets to base this song on and although it is finished it needs a bit of tidying. anyone with more info about this would they PM me?


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: M.Ted
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 05:06 PM

Sorry to be a bit of a nerd on this, but, what does "seventh son of a seventh son mean?" It seems a bit vague-- Would it be the counting all the children?(i.e.--3 girls, three boys, and the seventh, a boy) or would it be any number of sisters, only counting the boys? And are they sons of a the same mother, or do you count all the sons of the father, regardless of the mother? And do you count the stillborns? Enquiring minds, you know...


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 05:28 PM

Only count the boys....don't know about multiple mothers or stillborns but I would think they would count if they were all boys.


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: The Walrus
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 05:59 PM

As I recall, vindelis is correct and the 7th son of a 7th son is supposed to have "second sight".

On the musical side (if it can be called music) I seem to remember Bob Hope (and I assume Bing Crosby) singing about the 7th son of a 7th son (and committing appalling "cod" Scots accents) in (I think) one of the "Road" series of films (no idea which one).

Regards

Walrus


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Burke
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 06:06 PM

One of the plot points in Card's Alvin Maker series is the whole question of how the 7 are counted & if they must be living. Only sons count. Alvin is a 7th son, but the oldest had been swept away in a river just before he was born. He has mystic power, but the next son who was also the 7th living son is also very powerful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Gareth
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 07:01 PM

Personally I'll Stick with the Pratchett version -

If you want to read the hillarious saga try :-

"EQUAL RITES"

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 17 Aug 01 - 01:24 AM

Lots of interesting interpretations around, many of which are mentioned above: Orson Scott Card, Terry Pratchett, Susan Cooper, etc.

The "7th son" is also mentioned a lot in the old fairy tales, such as Grimm's. Usually the young man succeeded in whatever quest he was on because his luck, magical powers, and/or charm were phenomenal (due to his being a 7th son, of course). Grimm's is German, but for some reason I always thought of the 7th son tradition being Celtic-based?

Sorry McPiper, but I don't recall anything that would imply that being a 7th son is less than wonderful. You may just have to gag your co-worker!

Lin


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Aug 01 - 02:38 AM

I think I am just glad I am not the mother of seven sons, let alone the grandomother of 14.........plus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Deckman
Date: 17 Aug 01 - 11:56 AM

I can't recommend Cards "Tales of Alvin Maker" enough. Incredible story and beautifully written.


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Mudlark
Date: 18 Aug 01 - 04:36 AM

Mose Allison's recording of 7th Son is the definitive one for me...and at least HE"s still alive!


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Ferrara
Date: 19 Aug 01 - 12:27 AM

Walrus et al: Here's the words of the Bob Hope/Bing Crosby song, as I remember them. Can't remember which of the "Road To..." movies it came from, but I was about 7 years old and my sister and I had the knack of learning all the songs in a movie and singing them all the way home. Couldn't do that now! ... Anyway, the presence of the concept in such a pop setting makes me think that the specialness of 7th sons etc was very well known half a century ago.

It's a damn silly song anyway.

"Hoot mon, out of me way,
Who do you think you are?
It's the toe of me boot, mon,
If ye go too far!

Hoot mon, today's the day
We celebrate me birth --
The 7th son of the 7th son
Of a son of a gun from Firth!"

... there's probably more. I may have it on an LP, I found some old stuff at the library store. If anyone wants me to go look for it, just PM me.

- Ferrara


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,johnne
Date: 19 Aug 01 - 12:37 AM

i remember the old Roger Miller song "Dang Me" They say roses are red Violets are purple Sugar is sweet and so is maple syrple I'm the seventh of a seventh son My pappy was a pistol I'm a son of a gun Well dang me dang me oughta take a rope and hang me high from the highest tree woman would you weep for me.

I don't write em I just remember em.


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: mcpiper
Date: 19 Aug 01 - 07:02 AM

Many thanks for the posts, lots of info. We have long suspected the bugger had powers beyond our comprehension, now I will have to find a real witch, warlock, goblin or even a troll would do, to try and curse or gag him as suggested by Lin in Kansas.
Now, where to find one of those?


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Callie
Date: 19 Aug 01 - 09:11 AM

I heard Mose Allison sing ´7th Son´about a month ago in London, and it´s on his¨"Live at the Pizza Express" cd. In the same concert, he sang another song which contained just one line about a 7th son of a 7th son. Luckily/wickedly, I recorded the concert (for my own personal edification). I´ll listen to the recording and see if I can find this other song.

Callie


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: mcpiper
Date: 21 Aug 01 - 06:33 AM

Thanks for the interesting posts, but we are in no danger. Further questioning revealed that he was including older sisters in the mix. He is merely the 7th child of a 7th child. This reduces his special powers to exactly what we all thought, he is merely another egotistical know all, and yes, we have told him so.
cheers.


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 03:21 AM

I thought it had to be the seventh child, with the catch that if the child is female then the mother also has to be the seventh child in her family as well. The father for son.


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 05:43 AM

Iam the 7th child of a 7th child, including stillborns, and I can heal and yes, odd things do happen to me that are unaccountable.


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,bg
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 06:53 AM

I live in rural Ireland and have met many people who have received cures from a seventh son of a seventh son. They gifted with "cures".
I personally know one guy who can cure simple fungal infections such as "thrush" and "ringworm" in children.

Probably the most famous 7th son is Finbarr Nolan whose cures have been medically examined in the States
www.finbarrnolan.com


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: maire-aine
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 11:23 AM

My grandmother was a seventh daughter, and according to family lore, people did seek her out to tell the future. She had already passed away before I was born, but according to my mother, she had some degree of second-sight. I guess she found it very troubling when she saw something bad, so she tried not to use it. I wish I'd had the change to meet her (she died in 1935). Now that the culture is slightly more sympathetic towards people with special gifts, I wonder how she'd handle it if she were alive today.


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,Seventh
Date: 24 Aug 04 - 01:18 PM

I'm the seventh son of a tenth son and I haver predicted many things in my life.


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 12:15 AM

Hmmm ... No folklore on this (not much about in the bright, exceeding dry, air of Australia - but a friend's Dad was the 14th child of a 14th child. (His family lived in a sleepy little village on, the 'bush' side of the Great Dividing Range, called Sunny Corner ... and there wasn't much else to do at nights!)

If the genders of the children of both generations followed the statistical norm, there's a pretty good chance that he was the 7th son of a 7th son - although I can't recollect any 'magical' aura about him. Anyway, living in Sydney, in the post-war period he seems not to have intended to keep up the tradition ... he had 3 children; one daughter and two sons!

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Aug 04 - 04:14 AM

My wife got rheumatoid arthritis when she was 25 years old. As she was young the illness surged through her body and was soon in every joint - changing our lives utterly in weeks.

When a disaster like this happens - you look for an escape clause in reality. So one day my Mum was driving through a suburb of Birmingham (England this is - not Alabama)and she saw that an Irish 7th son of a seventh son was holding a healing ministry in one of those fundamentalist scout hut type churches.

We took Denise along - figuring what the hell. It won't do any harm. as I remember the guy looked a bit Eamon Holmes that very engaging dark Irish handsomeness, and he wore a pale green suit was SO Mr Showbiz in the 1970's - which is when this happened.

Most people had diseased arms,breasts etc and he laid his hands on them. But Denise was diseased all over so he advised her to bathe at midnight and into the bath put the earth from a freshly dug grave. So we thought what the hell. We did all that.

However unsurprisingly this caused no improvement in her medical condition.

I hope you find this helpful - its the only dealing I've had with 7th sons of seventh sons.


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Subject: unbeleavable
From: GUEST,a seventh child
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 12:40 PM

all my life i've done or seen things that i could
not explain fully, i thought it was luck or coincedence
but now that i know what i know! cruel world look out.

                                                 7 days


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Subject: I am the seventh son
From: GUEST,tim7of10
Date: 07 Oct 04 - 04:03 AM

I've heard people often talk about being the seventh born, personally I've never found being the seventh born lucky, but not only am I the seventh in my family my father is the seventh born and my mother is too (what does that mean?) Since I've heard more and more about comments about the seventh one I've grown more courious. So far I seen nothing special although I've experienced many connections that were bizaar oriented I believe that to be more my perception.


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 07 Oct 04 - 08:34 AM

Not folklore, but legal usage: In Germany the 7th child has the Head of State for godfather (since Kaiser's times, now it's the President of the Federation).


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: LynnT
Date: 07 Oct 04 - 09:51 AM

Ah, and in the old Soviet Union women who bore (and raised?) eight children got the Motherhood Hero of the Soviet Union medal in silver, those bearing 10 or more kids got it in gold. A group of us got together and gave the silver one to my ex-husband's second wife the Christmas after she had her eighth -- and I, three gay guys, and another woman who'd had a hysterectomy for medical reasons got up and thanked her for taking SUCH GOOD CARE of the reproductive potential we were so unlikely to use...

Lynn


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,Raymlreit1@aol.com
Date: 07 Oct 04 - 01:15 PM

I am the seventh son of a seventh son and hand have healing powers as a massage therapist


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,gnix@pdnt.com
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 10:39 PM

I really would like to find a seventh son or daughter healer in the midwest. I live in Illinois and our seventh daughter of a seventh daughter is deceased.


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,Sailing_on_by
Date: 16 Oct 04 - 10:37 PM

My grandmother was a 7th child of a 7th child. She is now deceased. I grew up in a Babtist family.. her whole family was southern babtist and her husband my grandfather who died before I was born was a preacher. Anyways.. my grandmother had special healing powers. Like the post from Guestbj in Ireland, my grandmother could cure thrush mouth, ringwor, and instantly heal burns. She also "took away" the 10 warts that were on my hands that I had have burned off my doctors but kept returning.

She was a religious women though the church would not recognize or understand this. So it was kept hush hush in my family. Grandma never advertised these gifts.. but the family after seeing so many miraculas healings.. accepted this.. bu       t never talked about it.

She had a 7th son (she had 12 children altogether) and he could also had special healing powers. He also had very bad epilipsey and died young (40's). But he was special.. he was kind and you could just visably see he was very special.

I am glad to find other messages.. as I have not talked about this for many years.

Sailing


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 09:25 PM

Does being a son in a family of seven which I am the youngest, and my father also being the youngest in a family of seven be of any significance??? But also after reading some posts and questioning my mother I have decovered a strange coincidence, my next eldest sibling, my sister is exactly 7 years, 7 months to the day older than me. Seem weird to you and I am born on the seventh month???? Any info would be greatly appreciated!!!!


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,G.G.G.Grandaughter of a 7th son
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 06:00 PM

I would really like to get my hands on the Irish legend regarding the 7th son of the 7th son,as my ancestor was one and I would like it for my geneology records.


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 02:17 AM

Anyone have any new info on seventh son????


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 08:36 AM

My maternal grandfather was a 7th son of a seventh son,my daughter, his 7th greatgrandchild, was born on the 7th of the month, any connection here???


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 03:42 AM

Why is it that people who will not accept the evidence for a very old planet and plant, animal and human evolution will believe, without any reliable evidence, all this nonsense?


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 05:16 AM

because like I say you get very desperate and despairing when a terrible thing happens to you and the prognosis isn't good. You clutch at straws.....


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 05:23 AM

Fair enough drummer. But lots of people who are not desperate nor desparing and have no need to clutch at straws believe all those daft stories as well, don't they?


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Cluin
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 07:37 AM

Being born a seventh son of a seventh son means you are starting out life with a lot of alliteration... probably too much for an infant to handle.

Please... think of the children.


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 02:41 AM

In keeping with the digital age should it be the 111 son of the 111 son?


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,guest-hollyhedd@gmail.com
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 10:33 PM

I've been reading this thread and would like to get in touch with any true seventh sons (must be all sons in a row, no daughters). Please email me at the address above.

Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: LadyJean
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 11:28 PM

My parents assured me that to have the second sight one must be the seventh child of a seventh child.
I got a good deal of Irish tradition from my parents, but I couldn't tell you if it came from their parents, or from the Irish maids their parents employed.
My mother always said her grandmother was "fey". It was only shortly before she died that she would admit to being "fey" herself. I call it the whatsis, being reluctant to have that much faith in it. There was the time I got a strong sense not to walk down a certain street. I did. Two boys were tossing a football back and forth, and one of them got me good, right on the head. A three day headache!!! Since which time, if the whatsis says, don't go that way, I don't. but I refuse to take it really seriously.


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,marty
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 01:34 PM

I am writing a book on the number 7 - I've been looking for back up to the German law of godfathering by the Kaiser...any help, Wilfried Schaum?


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,The Smoky Mountain Seventh Son
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 05:04 PM

Ran across this thread....This paste from above was taken from my old website and research. Anyone wanting to know about the life and times of a true 'seventh son' reply to or look my achievements to contemporary society up in Marquis Who's Who in America under my name, Donald DeWayne Woods.

Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Letty
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 06:35 AM

Well, traditionally 7th sons of 7th sons are supposed to be witches or at least have some magical powers.
Here's a quote I had lying about somewhere (don't know the source):
Belief in the special gifts of a Seventh Son or Daughter
can be found in Folklore throughout the world. Leslie
Shepard in his 'Encyclopedia of Occultism and
parapsychology' states that in Romania the Seventh
Child is fated to become a vampire. And that in
England in the seventheenth century there were
reports of a Seventh Son healing the deaf blind and
lame.
In France, The Seventh Son was called a 'Marcou' and
branded with a 'fleur-de-lis' {reknown worldwide as a
symbol of the Divine & Quality, and all that is Holy,
Click this Link for history}. Good Luck was also said
to attend the Seventh Child. In olden days, when
Captains of Merchant Ships were setting sail on long
voyages, they would try, 'often by force if
neccessary' to have a Seventh Son on ship as Legend
has it that the Ship wouldn't sink with a Seventh Son
on Board
The reason why the Seventh Child as opposed to the first
or the fifth for example-should have 'Special Powers'
has it's roots in ancient beliefs. The number Seven
has many mystical and religious associations. Apart
from the Bible telling of God creating the world in
Seven Days, The number features throughout the old
and new testaments.
Seven is a very significant number in numerology and is
the basic unit of transition in natural cycles from
the week as a phase of the lunar cycle to the idea
that many of life's patterns are divided in phases of
Seven.


Letty


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,Massous
Date: 04 Mar 05 - 04:06 PM

I am the 7th child of the 7 child(on my father's side). I do not know that I have very special powers but three years ago, I have taken Massage Therapy, Acupressure & Reflexology Techniques and also Nerve Dislocatin Resetting Techniques such as Tennis Elbows and / or Reverse Tennis Elbows, Bursitis, Tendonitis, Sciatic Pains, Headaches, Migraines and many other types of Pains. My rate is 95% and I do not know if that is lucky or if I have special powers but people tell me that I am their last resource. After having just a few sessions, they improved by 50% and with furhter sessions, they improved by 75 to 90%.
Do I believe this mystical story of the 7 sons of the 7 sons? I do not know as I just found out three months ago about this.
Let me tell you that it intriges me very much.

Read this at ww3.ns.sympatico.ca/medals.cmms

Massous


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,B
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 03:17 PM

Hi,
When I was a baby I had sever thrush and candida all through my body and genitals. My mom tried EVERYTHING and the docs didn't know why nothing was working. They tried several Rx, creams, and that blue stuff to paint my mouth with. A lady in our town said that her mother in law was a seventh daughter and could cure it. My desperate mom took me to her (she too was southern baptist and very religious). Anywho, my thrush literally cracked and peeled off of my mouth the very next day. It came back about a year later after taking antibiotics ad my mom called her to schedule an appt and she told mom just to put the phone up to my ear. This time it took about 2-3 days ,but cracked and peeled away also! This has always interested me bc i want to know how in the heck she does it (especially on the phone). Also, I am having problems with candida infection now and nothing seems to work in my 20s either so I'd be willing to try a seventh son/daughter out again. Anyone know of one in the Florida panhandle/alabama area?


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: trevek
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 04:44 PM

My uncle was 7th of 7th. I beleive you eithr are giftd with inner sight or you won't die by drowning (or both).


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Deckman
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 01:54 AM

Both of my Grandmothers were healers. My Finnish Grandmother came to America when she was 16 (1896). She was an "Old Speaker" ... we were very close. My American Grandmother was a minister in the American Pentecostal church. She taught me hands on healing when I was seven. By eight I was "speakin in tongues."

At that very early age we knew I had the gift. I couldn't explain it ... didn't even try. I (we) just knew it worked. At the age of ten I witnessed things that drove me from the church.

About twenty years ago I was staying with my cousin for a few months. She was hurting in her arm. I tried the healing and it worked. It scared the hell out of both of us.

And NO, I'm NOT the 7th son of the 7th son ... if I was, and if wanted, I could probably rule the world! CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,AR
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 07:38 AM

Duncan Williamson, the recently deceased Scottish bard, was the seventh son of a seventh son.


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Mo the caller
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 06:54 AM

How could you be sure you were one? (if multiple mothers, illegitimate sons and stillbirths count - and how about miscarriages)


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Aug 12 - 09:43 AM

My dad is also a seventh and im just know doing research on the history of its myths


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: nickp
Date: 17 Aug 12 - 11:38 AM

Mention in Richard Thompson's "Gypsy Love Songs"


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Subject: RE: Need Info: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: GUEST,chad
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 07:29 PM

i have a grate grate uncle named simon fortier and he was a seveth son of a seveth son there were no sisters born between him and his brothers there for he was the real deal. he possessed the power to stop pain .my mom explained to me how her sister my aunt fell on top of a lit barbecue when they were young and my moms dad called Simon and said please take the pain away and with in one minuet my aunt completely stopped crying she was no longer in any pain but instead completely relaxed but this is not my question my question is can the 7th son of the 7th son pass on powers to family members and the reason why i am asking this is because my grandpa on my moms side has the ability to make both legs the same size because with any person one leg is longer then the other not by much but by a little and this can cause pain but my grandpa is able to some how make both legs the same size just by pushing on one and often times after he dose this the person is no longer in any type on pain. but my grandpa was born from Simmons sister so how can he possess this power when he is not from the 7th son of the 7th son. my mom also used to have this ability to sleep travel there is a name for it but i can not remember what it is but she used to be able to fall asleep and wake up outside of her body where she could go anywhere she wanted. so i am curious to fined out if it is at all possible for a 7th son of a 7th son to pass on a power or powers to different members of his family.


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