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Cornish Songs
In Mudcat MIDIs:
Trelawny
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Subject: Lyr Add: CORNISH KITCHEN From: Marion in Cornwall Date: 14 Jun 04 - 12:26 PM Pete, I think this might be the song you mentioned. I can put in an abc of the tune if anyone is interested. Regards Marion CORNISH KITCHEN Why bless 'ee you knows all about it, Avore I do tell 'ee a word 'Tis a boy and a maid, and a country glade A story you've often heard, How the boy lost his heart to the maid Well the how of it's always the same; 'Tis where I met Nellie, that I wants to tell 'ee She was tending the butter and craime. In a Cornish Kitchen, with the log fire glow on the wall; And the nickety nock o' the grandfather clock The blue and white china and all: The floor clean sanded, the table for supper was laid; Her mother said stay, well what could I say So I sat beside Jan's little maid. Old Jan farmed about forty acres, And I was his better most man; So twas easy for me, to be seein' of she, And that's how the courtin' began: On Easter Day just a year after, We marched off to church prinkly dressed; I gived her the ring and all that sort of thing And the parson chap he did the rest. We've a Cornish Kitchen, with the log fire glow on the wall; And the nickety nock o' the grandfather clock The blue and white china and all: There's the squab pie steamin', the table for two neatly laid A chair for me and another for she What was once farmer Jan's little maid. I've seen chaps look wish't as a winnard What you call scared out of their life; P'raps starved as a baby or poor lived maybe But'tis most times a troublesome wife: Of course all the maids ain't like my maid, What a joy of the world it would be, If such maids could be found, to have one each all round An' all be as happy as we. We've a Cornwish Kitchen, with the log fire glow on the wall; And the nickety nock o' the grandfather clock The blue and white china and all: We've a brave fire burning, the table for three is laid, That's Nellie and me and the other you see, Is our own dear little maid. Prinky dressed – all dressed up Squab pie – pigeon pie Wish't as a winnard – a winnard is a redwing. They stop off in Cornwall for a rest on their way through and usually look pretty 'wished' when they arrive. These words are from Henegan where the author states that it was written in the 1920's by Frederick Dale and sung by Edith Serpell & Charles Saunders. The publishers were Larway & Co. but the present owners of this firm have no record of the song. |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Mingulay Date: 14 Jun 04 - 10:05 AM On the subject of Cornish songs, does anyone have the words to "In a Cornish Kitchen". The only person I have heard sing it is Geoff Boughton whose whereabouts are at present unknown. More than likely not trad, but I like it anyway Cheers Pete |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Joybell Date: 13 Jun 04 - 06:40 PM Thank you all. I'm a member of the Cornish Association here in Victoria Australia. We do have a large collection of songs already but I'll pass these on to the other musical members of the group. Here we include Stephen Foster's songs, along with the "traditional" songs, in any musical happening because they were the popular songs at the time of the large migration of Cornish people to Central Victoria - 1850s on. Of course Cyril Tawney's work is also included - especially "The Oggie Man" Joy |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Herga Kitty Date: 13 Jun 04 - 01:03 PM And for the chorus, top C, C, C, G, A, A, G..... Kitty PS i sang in an event with Mo Keast at the National last year, and endorse Mary's comments! |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Herga Kitty Date: 13 Jun 04 - 12:56 PM Giok I can't do the notation, but try, E, G, G, E, G, G, E, E, D, D,C....... Kitty |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Mary Humphreys Date: 13 Jun 04 - 11:56 AM Have you heard Mo Keast,who goes to Bodmin Folk Club sing in Cornish? She has quite a few songs. I don't think she is a Mudcatter, but some of the Bodmin folkies may be. She won the National Folk Music Festival Singer's Competition some years ago. A great singer and a very lovely person. |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Richard Date: 13 Jun 04 - 09:10 AM "The Cadgwith Anthem" "The Floral Dance" |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Marion in Cornwall Date: 13 Jun 04 - 09:01 AM Here you go Dexter, These are the words as per Henegan (I think by Merv Davy). As far as I can tell no-one seems to know of the origin of the song but these words were collected from Neil Plummer of St Stythyans, so the book says. All the best Marion An Rosen Wyn (The White Rose) My agaran rosen wyn mar whek mar dek del dyfhy An rosen whyn mar splan mar vryntyn a dhre dha gof amma dhevy. Kensa pan whelys ow whek oll, yth esta mar dek avel ros; Mes lemmyn mar dhys lyw dha vejeth, mar wyn avel rosen mayth os My agaran rosen wyn, mar whek mar dek del dyfhy An rosen wyn mar splan mar vryntyn a dhre dha gof omma dhevy |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: John MacKenzie Date: 13 Jun 04 - 06:30 AM That's the one Kitty, how lovely to see the words after all these years. I think I last heard it in The Cellar at CSH about 1965, but can only remember the tune to the 'We'll all go back to Oggieland' bit. I will look for the full set of words, and hopefully the tune too. Thanks Giok |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Herga Kitty Date: 13 Jun 04 - 06:24 AM Giok Greg Stephens posted some of the words for Cor, Bugger Jagger on a thread about Cornish pasties last year.... Half a pound of flour and marge Makes a lovely clagger Just enough for you and me Cor bugger jagger Chorus: O how happy us'll be When us gets to the west country Where the oggies grow on trees Cor bugger jagger I seem to remember another verse starting "You make fast, I'll make fast, Make fast the dinghy You make fast, kiss my arse Make fast the dinghy" And the chorus ending And we'll all go back to Oggie land.... Kitty |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Big Al Whittle Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:50 AM Rosie Hardman wrote a song called the Road to Marazion |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: John MacKenzie Date: 13 Jun 04 - 04:51 AM Jack and Margaret King used to do a song called Cor Bugger Jagger, [not as rude as it sounds] which is definitely west country, but I don't know if it's as far west as Kernow. Anybody know anything about this song? Giok |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Dexter Date: 13 Jun 04 - 04:28 AM Does anyone have the words - IN CORNISH - to 'Ilove the White Rose in it's splendour...............' ?? |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 10 Jan 01 - 09:36 AM I see that there are no replies so far from Ian. Maybe he just dropped by here to plug his stuff. |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Jim Dixon Date: 09 Jan 01 - 08:03 PM I did some research on Cornish music a while ago for a friend. Here are some of the web sites I found then. Maybe you will find them useful:
Cornish Links Directory |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Kernow Jon Date: 09 Jan 01 - 05:51 PM Sorry about the proof reading but you'll get the gist! KJ |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Kernow Jon Date: 09 Jan 01 - 05:49 PM Ian It's good to here from you but I would take issue with your claim to be the only singer IN Cornwall to be recording traditional stuff. Hilary Coleman and Neil Davey have recorded some pretty good stuff with Sowena. Harry Glasson from Goldsithney( due in Winsconsin next month) has also recorded many traditional Cornish songs, he has also written some new material about life in Cornwall and Penwith in particular. But good luck with the album, if there are any copies at Lowender Perran this year I'll maybe buy one. Regards KJ |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST Date: 08 Jan 01 - 06:11 PM Sorry, don't know how to do blue jobs but these URL's will take you to threads with Songs in Cornish plus translations and tunes.
Lyr/Tune Add: JAN KNUCKEY
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 08 Jan 01 - 03:49 PM A couple more sets of Cornish language lyrics in the Forum: Hal An Tow Translation into Cornish by Talek and Ylewyth. http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=26224#314213>Ma Grün War 'n Gelynen -The Holly Bears a Berry (Sans Day Carol); translation into Cornish by Tyrvab (W. Daniel Watson). In both cases, English text and tunes are already available in the DT. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 08 Jan 01 - 11:13 AM Ian Marshall, would you offer a few insights into how traditional Cornish music differs from "Celtic mush"? I have connections to a local Cornish society and an sincerely interested. |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: paddymac Date: 07 Jan 01 - 10:16 PM Ian - along with joining the Mudcat Family, you might consider donating a copy of the CD to the Mudcat auction. It would help the 'cat, and might generate a little publicity for the CD. |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Greyeyes Date: 07 Jan 01 - 04:49 PM Ian, I'll pass this info on to the Music Librarian at Plymouth Central Library, where I work, and try and persuade him to order a copy for the Library (even though it's from the other side of the bridge):) Have you thought of joining The Mudcat? It's free, it could be very useful to you, and perhaps more importantly, you could be very useful to the Mudcat. Thanks for the info, Paul |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: John Wood Date: 07 Jan 01 - 02:15 PM Of course Baz is still around. I bumped into him first at the Cadgwith one-day festival,then at St.Ives folk club, and a couple of weeks later at the Wadebridge folk festival.< Greetings John(from Norway). |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Wotcha Date: 06 Jan 01 - 10:38 PM Gee Ian, BAZ is in Cornwall too ... Is he still about? Cheers, Brian |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Mark. West Sussex. UK Date: 06 Jan 01 - 02:56 PM Peter Kennedy's "Folk Songs of Britain and Ireland" has about 12 Cornish Songs with music and translation. Also Scottish Gaelic, Irish Gaelic, Welsh, Manx, Channel Islands and Romany. Also about 500 pages of songs in English. Weighs a ton, costs a bomb but is totally fascinating and an obvious labour of love. ISBN 0.7119.0283.6 |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,ianmarshall@sparticus.net Date: 06 Jan 01 - 01:02 PM Hi! Checked your site today - bravo! Please tell everyone I am producing a CD this month called "21 SONGS OF CORNWALL!" It`s a comprehensive collection of real TRADITIONAL stuff, none of yer Celtic revival mush, and as I`m the only singer actually IN Cornwall who`s seriously recorded this kind of material, I`d love everyone to know about it - and buy it!? It would be nice to chat to anyone - yourself included - via e-mail as above (ianmarshall@sparticus.net OR cornwallsong@supanet.com.) I can tell them when the CD is finally issued, and how to order. ALSO visit my temporary website for more detail: www.cornwallsong.supanet.com Great to meet you! Love to all. Kernow bys vyken. Ian Marshall (24, Trevecca, Liskeard, Cornwall PL14 6RH)
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Wotcha Date: 08 Dec 99 - 11:47 AM BAZ, You know I like them all ! Cheers, Brian |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Margaret\W Date: 07 Dec 99 - 12:07 PM There's a Cornish Christmas carol, set by Peter Warlock earlier this century; I have a recording but no words/dots. It's worth checking out if anyone's keen. Margaret |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Mountain Dog Date: 07 Dec 99 - 09:01 AM Dear Baz: Thanks very much for the Cornish tunes! My wife and I have just returned from a seven and a half month sojourn in Cornwall (doing research for a variety of freelance writing projects on the subject of Sacred Beauty in Nature) and heartily enjoyed our stay. Most of all, we fell in love with the land and the Cornish people. We had the pleasure of hearing concerts by an outstanding Cornish male voice choir as well as catching a wide variety of solo and ensemble folk artists in pub venues throughout the county. So, the more Cornish music you can share with us, the better, in my book! Many thanks for your contributions. |
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Subject: Tunes add: CORNISH SONGS From: alison Date: 07 Dec 99 - 02:36 AM Hi, Most of the above tunes(thanks to John's MIDIs) are now available at Mudcat MIDIs I have decided just to post them as MIDIs, not as MIDItxt.... if anyone really wants ABC for any tunes I post let me know and I'll post it. slainte alison |
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Subject: Lyr Add: TRELAWNY (in Cornish and English) From: John in Brisbane Date: 06 Dec 99 - 10:24 PM Here's Trelawny in both languages. With Alison's help the tune will be at MUDI in due course. Regards, John TRELAWNY 1 Gans cledha da yn dorn yu lei Gwyr, lowen an golon Yth aswon Myghtern Jamys fel Pandr' wrello Kernewon Yu ordnys Ie ha prys ancow? Trelawny dos dh'y fyn? Mes ugans myl an dus Kernow Gothfos an praga 'vyn A vew Trelawny bras? 'Verow Trelawny bras? Otomma ugans myl Kernow A woffyth oil an cos 2 Yn meth an Capten, bew y wos Gwas jolyf yn mysk cans Tour Loundres kyn fe Carrek Los Y'n dylerfsen dewhans Ny a dres Tamar, tyr dhe dyr By 'ny vyth Havren let Ha scoth ryp scoth, cowetha gwyr Pyu orthyn-ny a set? 3 Devedhys bys yn Fos Loundres Gwel dek dhyn, ny a gry Deugh mes, ownegyon oil, deugh mes Gwell on. agesough-why Trelawny yu avel felon Fast yn cargharow tyn Mes ugans myl a Gernewon Gothfos an ken a vyn 1 A good sword and a trusty hand A merry heart and true King James's men shall understand What Cornish men can do And have they fixed the where and when? And shall Trelawny die? Here's twenty thousand Cornishmen Will know the reason why And shall Trelawny live? Or shall Trelawny die? Here's twenty thousand Cornishmen Will know the reason why 2 Out spake the captain brave and bold A merry wight was he Though London Tower were Michael's hold We'll set Trelawny free We'll cross the Tamar, land to land The Severn is no stay Then one and all and hand in hand And who shall bid us nay? 3 And when we come to London wall A pleasant sight to view Come forth, come forth, ye cowards all Here are better men than you Trelawny he's in keep in hold Trelawny he may die But twenty thousand Cornish bold Will know the reason why |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: John in Brisbane Date: 06 Dec 99 - 08:11 PM Well there are a number of songs in the DT that are missing their tunes that are claimed to be Cornish in Peter Kennedy's Folksongs of Ireland and England. With assistance from Alison they'll be at MUDI in a little while.
Cambourne Hill
I'll do some work on:
The other Cornish songs in the DT c/w lyrics and tune are:
Regards, John
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Cliff Date: 23 Feb 98 - 09:45 PM Yes Please! And thank You. Also try a singer by the name of Jim Wearne who sings Cornish material only and has a couple of cassettes available. His webpage can be found at: http://www.chaven.com/users/coram/default.html |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Joe Offer Date: 23 Feb 98 - 04:12 PM Well, everybody around here knows how much I like corny songs. What's that you say? Cornish? Well, that, too. Seriously, Baz, we'd sure like to see them. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Jon W. Date: 23 Feb 98 - 11:05 AM Absolutly. |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Wolfgang Date: 23 Feb 98 - 07:00 AM yes |
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Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Alice Date: 23 Feb 98 - 12:32 AM yes. |
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Subject: CORNISH SONGS From: Date: 22 Feb 98 - 06:34 PM I've posted a couple of Cornish songs recently Jan Knuckey and the Bellringer and have quite a few more. While they may not all be Cornish they are versions sung here and like all races we do claim them. But the point of my message is, is there an interest out there for these songs and tunes?
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