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COWBOY FIREMAN (TRUSTY LARIAT)
HALLELUJAH I'M A BUM
HALLELUJAH, I'M A BUM 2
THE BIG ROCK CANDY MOUNTAIN


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Subject: Lyr Add: IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS
From: Deckman
Date: 27 Jan 02 - 09:37 PM

"Haywire Mac", aka Harry K. McClintock! What a character: singer, song writer, recording artist, radio personality, Wobblie, Hobo, world traveler, you name it, he did it! My first introduction to folk music had to do with Haywire Mac. Though I never met him, he died in 1955, he influenced my early years. At 13, I was taken under the tutelage of Bill Higley, aka "Willy Waw Willy." Another character of the same vein: singer, radio, stage, etc. Willy Waw, and Haywire Mac (sounds like the beginning of a ballad) had worked together on the radio back in the days of the crystal sets in the 1920's. As friends, Willy Waw learned many of Haywire's songs. When I became Willy Waw's student, I learned many of the songs written by Haywire Mac. I wonder how many of you remember this gem:

IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS

Livin' in a cabin away up high, got no neighbors, no one nigh,
Sometimes I get to thinkin' what I'd druther do,
Got no one to talk to, so now I'm tellin' you.

If I had my druthers, I wouldn't be a king,
Druther be just what I am, than any other thing,
Who'd 'wanna sit there way up on a throne,
And never have a minute for to call your own.

Druther not try it, wouldn't last a week,
Druther catch catfish, down by the creek,
So if I had my druthers, I wouldn't live so high,
I'd never ask for champaign, with apple cider nigh,
I sure love sausages, sure like beans
'er a nice hunk a' bacon and a mess a' green.

Druther have my own place, happy where I am,
Raise my own chickens and I'd smoke my own ham,
So if I had my druthers, I wouldn't care to roam,
But I'd have a dog to wag his tail as I came home.

Never got married, guess I never shall,
But if I do, I'll get a mountain gal,
With lips like a wild rose and big eyes of blue,
A gal that shakes a skillet like my Ma used to do,

But druther not try it for they say in the joke,
That paying alimony, is hardest when your broke,

So if I had my druthers, I wouldn't work at all,
I'd go fishin' in the Springtime, and huntin' in the Fall,
And when it come to Winter, that's the best time of all,
With the firelight a'dancin' on the cabin wall.

But I'd druther work a little or it sure would prove,
That a man could get so lazy that he just won't move,
So if I had my druthers, I guess I'd druther be,
A derned 'ol hill billy, just like me.


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: kendall
Date: 27 Jan 02 - 10:13 PM

Didn't he also write Big Rock Candy Mountain?


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: DonMeixner
Date: 27 Jan 02 - 10:37 PM

Hi Deckman;

Does Mac McClintock remind you some other Wobblie's Wobbly that we have cause to mention on this thread from time to time? I have often wondered if Utah Phillips ever met him. They have much in common I'd imagine.

Have you seen a song list from Mc Clintock anywhere?

Don


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Subject: Lyr Add: HALLELUJAH, I'M A BUM
From: Deckman
Date: 27 Jan 02 - 10:48 PM

Yes, that's one a many songs he claimed. And according to several sources, he is given credit for that song. He's also known as the writer of this song:

HALLELUJAH, I'M A BUM

Oh Springtime has come, And I'm just out of jail,
Without any money, it all went for bail.

CHO
Hallelujah, I'm a bum,
Hallelujah, bum again,
Hallelujah, give us a handout, to revive us again.

I went to a house, And I knocked on the door,
A lady come out, says you've been here before.

I went to a house, and I asked for some bread,
A lady come out, says the baker is dead.

I went to a house, I asked for some pants,
A lady come out says, I don't clothe no tramps.

I went to a bar, I asked for a drink,
He gave me a glass, and he showed me the sink.

Oh, I like Jim Hill, He's a good friend of mine,
That's why I'm a hikin' down, Jim Hill's main line.

Oh, why don't you work, like the other men do,
How the HELL can I work, when there's no work to do.

CHEERS, Bob Nelson


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Deckman
Date: 27 Jan 02 - 10:56 PM

Everytime I've talked with Bruce, we start singing songs and I've always forgotten to ask him if he'd met Haywire. He was born in 1883 and died in 1957, according to the few notes I have. I suppose it's likely that they did cross paths. And yes, I have a very incomplete song list that I'll refer to tomorrow. Right now, we're having a snow storm and I have to dig my truck out for the morning. CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jan 02 - 12:10 PM

Voila!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: GUEST,ghost
Date: 28 Jan 02 - 02:37 PM

Nice viola there Don! For some reason I envisioned something more rustic for a guy with Haywire for a nickname.

Bob, got any clue as to the actual identity of Lazy Larry? I have a 78 of his version of: Who Said I was a Bum? It has only minor verse changes from the version I have on 78 by Haywire. Under the title on the record by Lazy Larry it lists Howard Johnson as the author of the song. But I'm not certain if Howard is the singer Lazy Larry. A minor mystery that I'd love to solve and include in my introduction of this wonderful ditty when next I perform it. I asked for Utah's help with a line in the first verse of Who Said I Was A Bum when we were at a party years ago. Those 78s can be a bear to decipher sometimes. I wonder if the data base has a copy of the words?


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: GUEST,ghost
Date: 28 Jan 02 - 04:08 PM

Nope, I didn't find a version of it in there.


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Joe_F
Date: 28 Jan 02 - 06:47 PM

It would be pleasant to have his original, raunchy version of "Big Rock Candy Mountain", which is quoted up to a point in Alan Lomax's collection. Has it seen the light of day?


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Deckman
Date: 28 Jan 02 - 07:37 PM

I've got to head off to a meeting now, but I promise I'll post some more tonight ... probably in about five hours. Thanks for your interest. CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Coyote Breath
Date: 28 Jan 02 - 10:34 PM

And didn't he also pen: "Shovelin' Iron Ore"? I have the words written down somewhere and had it on a 78 I donated to the San Francisco Folk Music club's collection many years ago. I can't remember what was on the other side, maybe "The Prisoner's Song" or "Hallelujah I'm a Bum".

In any case he was identified as "Haywire Mac" on the record's label and also listed Harry McClintock as his name and stated the song was written and performed by him. I'm not sure, thinking about it now, that the prisoner's song was on the other side. There was a Vernon Dalhart record or two that I donated then too. "Dream of a Miner's Child" and "The Death of Floyd Collins" and Dalhart also covered 'Prisoner's song'.

When "Big Rock Candy Mountain" started playing in 'O Brother' I about croaked and when I realized it was Haywire Mack's recording I could not contain my astonishment and blurted some such anouncement to the theater patrons at large. Quite embarassing, actually.

CB


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Deckman
Date: 28 Jan 02 - 11:04 PM

See ... I told you I'd be back tonight! O.K. to answer Kendall's query regarding the Big Rock Candy Mountain. Digging through my files, I just found the most amazing piece of paper. I don't know how to describes except to say that it is a little newsprint handout, folded in half, which gives it four pages. It has a black and white photo of Haywire on the cover. It is an apparent advertising piece for a place in Marysvale, Utah. It advertises ...Cabins-Cafe-Souvenirs-Mineral Water-Gas-Oil. Under the photo is says, "Harry McClintock (better known as Haywire Mac) Composer: Original Big Rock Candy Mountain Song." Inside, this handout goes on: "Haywire Mac composed the 'Big Rock Candy Mountain' song when he was a brakeman on the Denver & Rio Grande Railroad, which parallels the Sevier River across the road from Big Rock Candy Mountain Resort." It then goes on to quote the song. It ends with the phone number for "cabin reservations." (amazing what stuff I find in these olde files of mine.

To answer Joe F's questions, I'm not aware of a raunchy version of this song. I wouldn't doubt, for a second, that there are several, as many of the songs I know he wrote were borderline raunchy, or at least risque, for the 1920 - 1940's. CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND HANDSOME
From: Deckman
Date: 28 Jan 02 - 11:36 PM

Now, to answer "Guest, ghost" question regarding "Lazy Larry." I do not know this song. In fact I know only a few songs of Haywire Mac, but those that I do know, I will post over the next few days.

Here's another song that I think, I emphisis THINK, was written by him. I must note that I learned these songs when I was 13, 14, 15. But looking at my handwriting from those days, and remembering Willi Waw teaching me this song, looking at the song style, it all says to me that this was probably a Haywire Mac song. I welcome any conformation, or comments from anyone.

WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND HANDSOME

When I was young and handsome and only 17,
I wore my heart upon my sleeve and picked my peaches green,
I wore my heart upon my sleeve and picked my peaches green,
When I was young and handsome and only 17.

(follow the same A-B-B-A pattern)

When I was young and handsome and only 21,
I courted every gal in town and lost my heart to none.

When I was young and handsome and only 32,
I had two red heads on the string for every blonde I knew.

When I was young and handsome and only 53,
The woods were full of sugar plums and I shook every tree

When I was young and handsome and only 64,
The gal who wasn't on my neck was knockin' on my door.

When I was young and handsome and only 75,
You should have seen those honeybees a buzzin' round my hive.

When I was young and handsome and only 98,
I left most all my lady friends, around St. Peters gate

And now my tale is over, of this I'm positive,
To get a goodly share of life, I guess you gotta' give
To get a goodly share of life, I guess you gotta' give
And you'll stay young and handsome, and you'll stay young and handsome, and you'll stay young and handsome ... and that's the way to live!

Final comment about this song ...I wonder what Haywire would say today if someone tried to explain to him the concept of "political correctness!" CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Deckman
Date: 29 Jan 02 - 12:28 PM

Coyote Breath ... "Shoveling Iron Ore" is another one I'm not familiar with. Those old 78's are a treasure. We had some when I was a kritter, but Haywire's songs were not among them. It's still snowing, so after some more digging out I'll be able to post a couple more songs. I think I have one song incaptivity that's probably not well known. CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: Lyr Add: BORNEO KING (Haywire Mac)
From: Deckman
Date: 29 Jan 02 - 02:05 PM

Here's another one of Haywire's songs:

BORNEO KING

The minstrels sing of a Borneo King, ten thousand years ago,
Who ruled his land with an iron hand, this Royal so and so,
He loved to chase the bounding stag, within the Royal woods,
He was very fond of applejack, and the ladies bid him good.

A neighboring Queen was a gay Coleen, a gay Coleen was she,
She loved to play in a kittenish way, with the King across the sea,
So she sent a special message, by a Royal messenger,
To ask the King to come and stay, a couple of weeks with her.

King Borneo old had a rival bold, who's name was King Kachoo,
He swore he'd stop this wedding cause, he loved the lady too,
So he sent the Duke of Durham, to steal the Queen away,
And to foil the King with a diamond ring, all on a Summer's day.

When the news of this foul deed was heard, throughout all Borneo's realm,
The King he swore, by the shirt he wore,
He'd have his rival's dome.

So he sent the Count of Asthma, who was sneezing very bad,
To go and pay the King a call, and give him what he had.

The Queen grew very weary, when she hears him cough and sneeze,
She decided that old King Katchoo, was a Royal hunk of cheese,
So she hurried back to Borneo, and gave the King her hand,
And the strains of Hiawatha, were played by the Royal band.

They had a Royal wedding, his subjects wished them well,
The horses pranced and the people danced, Oh mister it was swell,
Old King Katchoo, in his bungaloo, he heard the strains of jazz,
And the Royal pair passed by him there, and gave him the Royal razz.


I think this speaks well to Haywire's ability as a song writer and especially as a rhymester! CHEERS, Bob


    Note from Joe Offer: see the Bastard King of England thread. Could "Borneo King" have been written by Frank Crumit? Apparently, Carson Robison also recorded the song.
    -Joe-


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Joe_F
Date: 29 Jan 02 - 07:32 PM

Bob: That would seem to be a bowdlerized version of "The Bastard King of England".


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Deckman
Date: 29 Jan 02 - 08:20 PM

Highly likely! I think his very best songs were parodies. His version of "Abdull the Bull Bull Ameer", is a riot. I'll get to it later tonight ... still snowing! CHEERS, (freezing) Bob


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Coyote Breath
Date: 29 Jan 02 - 09:40 PM

Well near as I can remember (a task that gets harder as one gets older - the only thing that does it seems)

The song goes sorta like this:

I met a man the other day I never had met before
He asked me if I'd like a job, Shoveling iron ore
I asked how much it paid and he said 10 cents a ton
I said old fella go chase yerself, I'd rather be on the bum

Oh, leanin' against the station
Tra la la la la la lation
That's our recommendation
Harah, haree, harum
We are three bums, three jolly old bums
We live like royal Turks
We have such luck in bummin' our chuck
We never bother to work

More later when I can find the paper with the other words on it.

CB


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Deckman
Date: 29 Jan 02 - 10:06 PM

Boy ... does THAT sound familiar! I hope you can remember the rest of it. Bob


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 02 - 08:30 AM

Here's a rather populiar Maywire Mac song, or at least the two verses I can remember. I'm frustrated that I can't remember more, and I'm also frustrated that I can't find the song in my files. I'm not sure I have these two verses in the right order. I HOPE someone can post the complete song:

You Ask Me Why I'm A Hobo

You ask me why I'm a hobo,and why I sleep in the ditch,
It ain't because I'm lazy, naah, I just don't 'wanna be rich,
Why, I could ride in Pullmans, but there it is again,
The plush they put in those Pullman seats, tickles my sensitive skin
Why, I could have been a tenor, and maybe have sung High "C",
But I heard one of those guys on the radio, and that was enough for me,
Whenever I think of Lincoln, I know I can never forgive,
A man who would murder a man like that, and let those tenors live.

I remember that the chorus was a "doodley, doodely etc.


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: GUEST,deckman
Date: 31 Jan 02 - 08:32 AM

Good Grief! Have I lost my cookie? I just posted the song above ... Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 31 Jan 02 - 03:43 PM

I have a wonderful LP of Haywire Mac on Rounder Records, 'Hallelujah! I'm A Bum', Rounder 1009. It has a great batch of songs and a booklet full of information about the man. Don't know if it has made it on to CD. If it has, or does, grab it. In the sleeve note there is this quote from a letter H. Mac. wrote to a friend shortly before he died................'Life put on quite a show for me. But now the show is ending, the lights are growing dim. I have no regrets and when I do go I will leave the game a winner. Somewhere in my backyard in San Francisco, between the crimson ramblers and the hollyhocks there waits an old man with a scythe. Some day 'ere long he will tap me on the shoulder and say, "Come with me,Mac" and when he does, I will follow him into the everlasting shadows, leaving all the bright golden memories behind'. What A Man!. Burl


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: GUEST,Bob Nelson
Date: 31 Jan 02 - 03:55 PM

Burl ... thanx so much for posting that. I'll see if I can still get that record. Bob Nelson, (deckman) who's lost his cookie! ((what a strange term))!


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Subject: Lyr Add: YOU WONDER WHY I'M A HOBO
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 02:39 AM

YOU WONDER WHY I'M A HOBO

You wonder why I'm a hobo, and why I sleep in a ditch.
It ain't because I'm lazy, nope, I just don't want to be rich.
I could eat from dishes; it's only a matter of choice.
But when I eat from an old tin can, there ain't no dishes to wash.

Diddiley-dum dee-diddley di-de-do,
Diddley-dum dee-day.

Well, I could be a banker, if ever I wanted to be,
But the very thought of an iron cage is too suggestive to me.
And I could be an accountant, and always balance my books,
But readin' figures ruins the eyes and glasses spoil my looks.

I could be a conductor and never have a wreck,
But any kind of a railroad man to me is a pain in the neck.
And I could ride in a Pullman, but there it is again!
The plush they put on those Pullman seats
Tickles my sensitive skin.

I could be a doctor; my duty I'd never shirk.
But if I doctored a railroad bull, he'd never go back to work!
And I could be a broker, without the slightest excuse,
But look at 1929, and tell me what's the use?

I could be a soldier, and hold my rifle steady,
But why should I go volunteer? They'll draft me when they're ready.
You wonder why I'm a hobo, and why I sleep in a ditch;
It ain't because I'm lazy, nope, I just don't want to be rich.

Haywire Mac might have recorded it, but I'm pretty sure it's a Carson Robison song.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: GUEST,Bob(deckman)Nelson (no cookie)
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 09:28 AM

Thanks Sandy ... I've been missing this song. I guess I had too many cobwebs to remember it. Bob


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Subject: Lyr Add: YE OLDE BALLAD OF SOMETHING OR OTHER
From: GUEST,Bob Nelson, with no more cookie ... help!
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 04:33 PM

I'm going to post another song I know was written by the late Haywire Mac. It was taught to me by Willi Waw Willy, in the fishing village of Westport, Washington, about 1950. I know I've screwed up one line, so I hope that someone out there can correct me. I never wrote the words down, so this is all from memory ... I've never heard it it sung by anyone and I've never seen it in print. This is a wonderful parody of Abdull the Bull Bull Ameer.

YE OLDE BALLAD OF SOMETHING OR OTHER

(sung to the melody of Abdull the Bull Bull Ameer).

A minstrel once sang me a sad rondelay,
A song of the brave days of olde,
How two mighty heros once had an afray,
And each laid the other out cold.

They met and they quarreled, such things shouldn't be,
But the sparks from their swords flew like fire,
Their names were Alphonzo Cornelieus McGee,
And Alonzo Fitzpatrick McGuire.

"GADZOOKS"cried Alphonzo, don't look at me so,
Don't you see you're arousing my ire,
But there 'neer was a man by the name of McGee,
Who would back down from a man named McGuire.

So the knights sallied forth dressed in armour of proof,
While the populace shouted "HEY HEY," And each made a noise like a galvinized roof,
As he mounted his steed for the fray.

Now never was seen such a furious fight,
Never heard such a hideous din,
As each hero labored with main and with might,
At the others kimono of tin.

They cried out "AVANT!" and "HAVE AT THEE FOUL KNAVE,"
As the sparks from their swords flew like fire,
Then the mighty Alphonzo Cornelious McGee,
Smote Alonzo Fitzpatrick McGuire.

From sunrise they fought 'till the pale yellow moon,
Shown down, and lo there in the mire,
Stone dead lay Alphonzo Cornelious Mcgee,
And Alonzo Fitzpatrick McGuire.

So boys, take warning from these luckless knights,
Beware of their terrible fate,
Collect half a million each time that ye fight
With fourty per cent of ye gate.

Be like ye prize fighter and go for ye dough,
If you to great riches aspire
Don't be like Alphonzo Cornelious McGee
Or Alonzo Fitzpatrick McGuire

CHEERS, Bob Nelson


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Abby Sale
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 09:07 PM

Joe F: his original, raunchy version of "Big Rock Candy Mountain", is in the database with attribution. I sent it up and credited it to Ed Cray from whom I got it. It's one of the "Big Rock" entries - '3,' I think.

"I Just Don't Want To Be Rich" is a fine song. Sam Hinton sings it on the Library of Congress (1947) CD

I have a different Haywire Mac record, "Haywire Mac" on Folkways (the only date I see on it is 1972), produced by Sam Eskin. Eskin asks him about bawdy songs and he admits to them but flat refuses. This may be why the "Appleknocker's Lament" (the raunchy version of "BRCM") was never recorded or, I believe, printed. It's not that bad, really and is far more true than the well-known parlor version.

Thing is, "Appleknocker's" is intended as a cautionary song to young boys, the victims of the predatory jocker tramps. The usual "BRCM" is just a fantasy but loses the whole point that these tales were woven to lure young street boys onto the road.

Little has changed in life but this case is amusing - the bawdy, unprintable song had a real social value; the acceptable song might encourage the "romance" of life on the road. Odd...


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Joe_F
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 09:31 PM

Abby: No, it's not that one, tho I suppose borrowing a wife counts as raunchy. Lomax says:

In _The Big Rock Candy Mountains_, McClintock tells how a jocker lured a country boy away from home by telling him `ghost stories' about lemonade springs and such. After many a thirsty mile the punk is disillusioned.

The punk rolled up his big blue eyes
And said to the jocker, `Sandy,
I've hiked and hiked and wandered, too,
But I ain't seen any candy.
I've hiked and hiked till my feet are sore,
I'll be God-damned if I hike any more,
To be --------------------------------------
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.'

Fifty years of re-working by other balladeers have obscured the raw irony of McClintock's original song, but have graced it with age-old Utopian fantasies which inspired the song _Oleana_....

-- _The Folk Songs of North America_, p. 411

The dash is Mr Lomax's.


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: GUEST,Bob Nelson
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 09:36 PM

To Abby Sale: Thanx muchly for your posting. I learned these songs when I was 13 - 15. I never heard any reference to the BRCM version that you suggest. Fascinating and very believable. I sure would like to hear from Utah Phillips on this, but I understand he doesn't post, even tho he has a web site ... sigh! CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE BIG ROCK CANDY MOUNTAINS
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 12:11 AM

Here's the text as George Milburn printed it in The Hobo's Hornbook, my copy published by Ives Washburn, New York, 1930).

THE BIG ROCK CANDY MOUNTAINS

One sunny day in the month of May
A jocker he come hiking;
He come to a tree, and "Ah!" says he,
"This is just to my liking!"

In the very same month on the very same day
A hoosier's son came hiking;
Said the bum to the son, "O, will you come
To the Big Rock Candy Mountains?

Chorus:

"I'll show you the bees,
And the cigarette trees,
And the soda-water fountains,
And the lemonade springs
Where the bluebird sings
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains."

So they started away on the very same day,
The bum and the kid together,
To romp and to rove in the cigarette grove
In the land of sunny weather.

They dreamed and hiked for many days,
The mile posts they were countin',
But they never arrived at the lemonade tide
And the Big Rock Candy Mountain.

The punk rolled up his big blue eyes,
And he said to the jocker, "Sandy,
I've hiked and hiked and counted ties,
But I ain't seen no candy.

"I've hiked and hiked till my feet 're sore,
I'll be God damned if I hike any more
To be a homeguard with a lemonade card
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains."

Milburn's introduction says:

This song provides some excellent samples of tramp fantasy. In many small cities and towns the children of poor whites use the railroad yards as their playgrounds. From these urchins the jockers sometimes recruit their road kids, and to entice them they tell them roseate tales of tramp life. These fabrications are known as "ghost stories." To homeguards "The Big Rock Candy Mountains" may appear a nonsense song, but to all pied pipers in on the know it is an amusing exaggeration of the ghost stories used in recruiting kids.

I suspect the omitted line from the Lomax text contained a somewhat crude description of the sexual act performed on the punk by the jocker.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 12:13 AM

Will some obliging Joe Clone please close the italics after the word "Chorus" -- please? Thanks.

Sandy
Italics closed. Sandy Paton has been returned to his usual state of perfection...
-Joe Offer- [grin]


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Deckman
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 12:22 AM

Wow! Thanks Sandy. Here's a rather public suggestion. Pick up your guitar and sing "Ye Olde Ballad Of Something Or Other," that I just posted. Believe it or not, I was thinking of you as I posted this song (what a chore). The song sings very well, and I would hope that I have FINALLY given you a song you've not known before. CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Joe_F
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 02:43 PM

Sandy:

Somehow I had the same suspicion %^). A rhyme for "more" is not hard to come up with -- or the line may simply have an internal rhyme, as most of the 3rd lines do.

I guess that Sandy wasn't you, or you'd tell us for sure.


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Subject: Appleknocker
From: Abby Sale
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 03:06 PM

Joe F: ???. No, it's there. Honest! THE BIG ROCK CANDY MOUNTAIN. Since no tune is indicated, I sing it basically to the BRCM chorus. That seems right & as intended.

There's an interesting line in the penultimate verse, And he called me his jocker. Note that generally, the bum is the "jocker." Perhaps a pet name for the boy or perhaps implying a different position than missionary.


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Subject: Tramp, Hobo, Bum
From: Abby Sale
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 03:33 PM

Long as there's a few people that know these things...here's a question I admit is about as silly as the definition of "folk music." That is, the distinction between "Tramp, Hobo, Bum." The usual distinctions I read differ from what I was taught by several practitioners in 1958 during the very brief period I wandered & rode freights & enjoyed unorthodox hospitality. They differ as to readiness to travel, readiness to work, taste for jungles and/or towns (and/or missions) and tendency to "bum" money. As I say, it doesn't really matter but a while back I actually considered the text to "THE TRAMP" by Joe Hill, another great traveller and observer of the ways of the Road.

In this bitter but very singable song, Hill uses all three terms interchangable in reference to himself (ie, the singer.) Tramp

Is there any meaning to thin, do you think?


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Joe_F
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 10:05 PM

Abby: Yes, that one has the *idea*, but it doesn't have the actual stanza quoted by Lomax. The text supplied by Sandy Paton does, except for an obvious bowdlerization. We still don't know what that dashed line was.


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 11:58 PM

My conjectures are all quite obscene, although there is nothing in the song prior to that line that is even mildly obscene. Still, a sudden departure from propriety would be dramatic and have a startling effect. I wonder if Ed Cray has the answer for us in his files.

I have a photocopy of all of the late Sam Eskin's papers, but I've never worked my way through them completely. Perhaps I should do so to find what is there that came from Haywire Mac.

You're absolutely right, Bob. I've never seen nor heard the song before, and thought I might just sit down and learn it as soon as I can find some free time. Thanks for sharing it with us!

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Abby Sale
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 11:53 AM

That would seem to be a bowdlerized version of "The Bastard King of England". Or maybe the classic "King of the Cannibal Islands." For some reason I can't locate a text of it right now. I can't remember if it's really bawdy or just offensive. But it was widely known and parodized in the English-speaking world.


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Abby Sale
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 12:34 PM

Sorry, no it's just the title that's similar. But I hadn't realized that "King of the Cannibal Islands" went back to 1830 or earlier. But I don't think I'll learn it...


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Deckman
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 01:16 PM

The concept of "political correctness" has sure ruined a lot of folksongs from a different era. Bob


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Deckman
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 04:25 PM

This is going to be a long posting. I have the most amazing files. I only wish they were in better order so I had a clue as to what they contain! Here is some information about "Haywire Mac" I just found. These are notes that came with a Folkways record album, No. FD 5272. I have never heard the album, but these notes are amazing. They were written by Sam Erskin. I'm going to quote from the notes. I will edit them a bit:
"Yes, I am the old time victor recorder- and I'll answer your last question first ....... Giving a complete list of my Victor platters is beyond me. If you can dig up a 1928 Victor catalog you'll get the dope. At one time I had something like thirty sides listed.
At the time I recorded there was only one collection of cowboy songs in existence - COWBOY SONGS AND FRONTIER BALLADS - by John Lomax. Said book had only one or two tunes in it - Lomax apparently interested only in the lyrics.
I made first waxing of such songs as RED RIVER VALLEY, JESSE JAMES, CHISHOLM TRAIL, WHEN THE WORKS ALL DONE THIS FALL, COWBOY'S LAMENT, BURY ME NOT ON THE LONE PRAIRE, TRAIL TO MEXICO and many others. I had plunked my guitar and warbled my ditties for many years in cowtowns and mining camps from Bisbee to Nome and I added to my repertoire whenever possible.
In April, 1925, I got my big break. I was handed a whole hour on radio K-F-R-C, San Francisco, Monday through Saturday. The program was aimed at children and it's immediate success surprised the hell out of me and everyone else.
There never was a kid that didn't like cowboys and Indians and the daddies of my youthful audience had nearly all knocked around this western country in their own youthful days.
Some Indian friends dropped by occasionally and sang their own songs to the thump of a knuckle-drum. There was Tall Pine, a Sioux from the movie lots, Joe Longfeather, a tall handsome Blackfoot who was selling automobiles, Silver Cloud, a Laguna and a copper smith in the Sante Fe railroad shops and Evening Thunder, a Pima who was a pretty good middleweight pugilist.
I had written a few hobo songs in my rambling days and radio listeners liked them too. I was signed by Victor in 1927 and was under contract for four years.
Well - maybe you remember what things were like in 1931. All the phono companies quit recording and drew on their "backlogs" for a couple of years.
Now for the autobiog you asked for. Born in Knoxville, Tenn., October 8th, 1882. Was a boy "soprano" in choir of St. John's Episcopan church until voice changed.
Ran away from home to Gentry Bros. Dog and Pony Show - at age 14. When season ended, I hoboed to New Oleans. Was lucky enough to meet Captain and owner of a small stern-wheeler steamer that was laid up for the Winter. The old boy was glad to have a trustworthy person to leave aboard when he stepped ashore to catch up with his drinking. I got comfortable quarters and most of my meals.
One night I edged into a waterfront saloon where the crew of a British steamer were filling themselves with beer and the evening with song - a good old custom that still survives among the Limeys. Someone called on me for a song and I obliged. I scored a hit. I sang, it seemed, for hours. I'll never know how I got back to the boat, but in the morning I shook something like three bucks in nickles, dimes and quarters out of my pockets. I had made a discovery that shaped my life. No one who can sing need ever go hungry.
When I hit the road again in the Spring I faced the world with confidence, movies, juke boxes, radio and TV were far in the future and even a ragged kid, singing without accompaniment could pick up the price of a bed and breakfast in almost any saloon, anywhere.
Came the war with Spain. I latched onto a troop train bound for Chicamauga Park, near Chattanooga, Tenn. Hired by a hustling circulation manager, I built up a newspaper route and, as I ate at army chow lines and slept in the hay at the supply base I had no expenses and I prospered.
Army teamsters and packer were civilian employees in the Army of that day. I was fascinated by the packers, a bunch of tough, competent westerners, and I hung out with them until I was a pretty good hand myself. It was claimed that Army chow killed hundreds of soldiers that summer but I thrived on it. And in the autumn of 1898 I was hired as a full fledged buck packer for the quartermaster corps and shipped to the Phillipines.
For two years I helped freight ammunition and rations to the troops beyond reach of the wagon trains. The going was rugged at times; we were frequantly under fire and we carried Colt 45's for defense. But we figured that we were far better off than the soldiers; we always ate and we drew fifty bucks a month instead of the $15.60 of the buck private."
.... I'll stop quoting here. What an amzing man and life! CHEERS, Bob Nelson


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Abby Sale
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 06:10 PM

Bob, Yes, those are from the album notes. You can still buy the album from Folkways, you know.


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Subject: Being streamed now.
From: Abby Sale
Date: 09 Feb 02 - 02:29 PM

Am currently listening to Utah Phillips' "Loafer's Glory" (rebroadcast) on KGNU - Clicky

He mentions a bit of collecting by "the wonderful Chicago folksinger, Art Thiem." And is now playing the bit Art taped from an old hobo, Paul Durst. He's travelled with Joe Hill & lots of stuff. Plus Durst singing intercut with Cisco & others on the same songs. Great!


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Deckman
Date: 09 Feb 02 - 02:53 PM

Abby Sale ... thanks for posting this. Even as I write this thankyou, I'm listening to the show. I don't have a clue how it works, but it damn well works. By the way, I learned this morning that Bruce will be in Seattle on the 17th. CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 May 02 - 08:45 PM

I think this thread is worth another look....


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Art Thieme
Date: 27 May 02 - 11:26 PM

Abby,

I thought Utah did a wonderful job with that old interview I did with Paul Durst. He made a great radio show from the snipets I could save from my original deterriorated reel-to-reel tapes. I've talked about Paul quite a lot in this forum. He was a big part of the romance I had with land and travelling and soaking up things folk. I was 20 years old when I taped his tales on December 8, 1961 in the back room of Pete Leibundguth's old music shop on 57th Street in Chicago. I had no idea what to ask him then-----but I knew he had an important story to tell. Flatboating on the Mississippi from St.Paul to New Orleans before there were any locks & dams on the upper river. Shipping out with Joe Hill on a steamer to Hawaii------Being part of the Buffalo Bill Wild West Show-----Being at the Ludlow Massacre----being asleep under the boardwalk when the bomb went off at the Haymarket Riot in Chicago. He remembered the Wobblys breaking away from the Socialist Labor Party way back in 1905 !! Said he'd told 'em not to do it. "To fight with two arms is better than to fight with one arm."---------Whew, I'm truly glad those old tapes are making the rounds here at this late date. Paul was born in 1868. When I knew him he was 93.

Sorry for the thread creep folks---but Abby, I'm glad you heard that show and were some moved by those old tapes.---------Gettin' back to Haywire Mac, I did his version of "Jerry Go And Oil That Car" on my 1998 CD.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Deckman
Date: 28 May 02 - 05:14 AM

I had an interesting thought recently about the song "Ye Olde Ballad Of Something Or Other," the parody of Abdull, The Bull Bull Ameer that Haywire wrote. I've searched everywhere that I can think of and yet I find nothing in print or on record regarding this song. As I mentioned above, I learned it from Bill Higley (Willi Waw Willy) in 1950. Would it be possible that I am the LAST PERSON to know this song? That's a very scary thought. What would happen to this song if it had died with me? I'd love to hear from anyone else that knows this song! CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 28 May 02 - 08:53 PM

Does anyone have anything to say about a song which starts: "Way over there in Europe, they're havin' lots of fun/Their highways and their big war debts have got them on the run/..." with a chorus that runs: Fifty years from now, fifty years from now/We'll be down where they can't reach us with a plough/Oh, it's hard on some beginners, to do without their dinners/ But it won't matter a helluva lot, fifty years from now." I had heard that this was a Haywire Mac song - is it?


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Abby Sale
Date: 28 May 02 - 09:31 PM

Art, your 20-year-old self is to be congratulated for fine good instincts, then. I hope I'm that smart when I get to be that old. But, yes, I was moved by it.


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Abby Sale
Date: 28 May 02 - 09:33 PM

Art, your 20-year-old self is to be congratulated for fine good instincts, then. I hope I'm that smart when I get to be that old. But, yes, I was moved by it.


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Mark Ross
Date: 28 May 02 - 09:57 PM

That is a Haywire MAc tune FIFTY YEARS FROM NOW from is last commercial recording session in '31. It's been reissued on a CD(?), on Rounder I think, called RICH MAN POOR MAN.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Deckman
Date: 28 May 02 - 11:52 PM

Jon ... vaguely familiar! I'll do some digging. Bob


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Subject: Lyr Add: FIFTY YEARS FROM NOW (Harry McClintock)
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 08:47 PM

Found it! Harvester elves, here is

FIFTY YEARS FROM NOW
By "Mac" Harry McClintock and Sterling Sherwin, 1931


Now over there in Europe they're having lots of fun
Their taxes and their big war debts have got them on the run
We have to lend them money, just to keep them on their feet
While a million good Americans are sleeping in the street
Our international bankers are busy night and day
They're figuring all the ways and means to give our dough away
Our working men are unemployed; they're raising quite a row
Prosperity's around the corner, fifty years from now.

Chorus
Fifty years from now, fifty years from now
Just tell the grocery man you'll pay him fifty years from now
When the landlord and the gasman come with both hands full of bills
Just point towards the west and say there's gold in them thar hills.
And fifty years from now, fifty years from now
We will find a way to pay our bills somehow
Oh, the situation's funny, we've lent Europe all our money
And they won't be able to pay to back till fifty years from now.

Our domestic situation is certainly hard to beat
We have to go round hungry 'cause we've raised too much to eat
We cannot ride our railroads 'cause we haven't got the fare
And we've piled up stacks of clothing till we've nothing much to wear.
They'll throw you in the hoosegow if you steal a loaf of bread
But the gangsters fill our cities full of powder smoke and lead.
We'd like to find the answer, but it seems we don't know how.
We probably come out all right in fifty years from now.

Chorus II
Fifty years from now, fifty years from now
Oh everything will be so lovely fifty years from now.
In the meantime all you have to do is stand around and grin
And do your starving gracefully or the cops will run you in.
It's really quite the style to take it with a smile
It's supposed to help a hungry man somehow.
Though it's hard on some beginners when they do without their dinners
Just think of their nice trim waistlines in fifty years from now.

And now the Europeans will not starve any more
And so to die off quickly they are spoiling for a war.
Their building warships daily and their getting trim and fit
And their great big standing armies never get a chance to sit.
And while they're getting warlike our country fights for peace
While gangsters, yeggs and robbers are a-spanking our police.
Oh when the European nations start their war
I vow we'll grab our guns and help 'em out in fifty years from now.

Chorus III
Fifty years from now, fifty years from now
We won't remember a thing about it fifty years from now.
We'll be out in the marble orchard where the tombstones are in bloom
Underneath the daisies there is always lots of room,
And fifty years from now, fifty years from now
We'll be down where they can't reach us with a plow.
And among the saints and sinners and the losers and the winners
It won't matter a heck of a lot in fifty years from now.


I've got the sheet music around somewhere.

Jon Bartlett


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 11:22 PM

As far as I can tell, there are two CDs from McClintock currently available---the Folkways one and one on the BACM label. Both available from CAMSCO. Of course.


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: GUEST,- Dean -
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 02:49 PM

I'm looking for the lyrics to and possibly an mp3 download of Mac McClintocks version of Sweet Violets. Can someone direct me to a source?

Thanx,
- Dean -


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 03:51 PM

I'm probably the only person on this thread or on Mudcat that actually met Haywire Mac
when i visited him in San Pedro, California. He was extremely likeable and a great personality. He described himself as "old railroad boomer" which meant he partook of
the privilege of hopping freights and not getting thrown off by the bulls, most of them who
he knew personally.

He had a radio show in Chicago that I used to hear.

The day I visited him, he took us to the bandshell in the park in San Pedro to hear
a Mexican Tipeca band with guitars, mandolins and plucked psaltery.

He was happily married at the time.


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Subject: RE: Haywire Mac Songs
From: Deckman
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 08:19 AM

WOW ... I was surprised, and delighted, to find this thread active again. I saw the title and was interested ... imagine my surprise when I found out that I was the one who started it 8 and a half years ago. bob(deckman)nelson


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Subject: RE: ADD: Haywire Mac Songs
From: GUEST,Gerald Baker
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 11:08 PM

I used to play this record, on a wind-up Victrola, in the early 1940s. Some people I knew had parts of it memorized.


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Subject: RE: ADD: Haywire Mac Songs
From: GUEST,OfficialArmonist
Date: 27 Feb 12 - 08:35 AM

"The punk rolled up his big blue eyes
And said to the jocker, `Sandy,
I've hiked and hiked and wandered, too,
But I ain't seen any candy.
I've hiked and hiked till my feet are sore,
I'll be God-damned if I hike any more,
To be buggered sore like a hobo's whore
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains."


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