BS: Practice HTML

Subject: Practice HTML
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Feb 02 - 04:04 PM

Ā

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 06:15 PM

Don't know what to tell you, Dicho. I see A-macron in IE, and ? in Netscape. I think probably the problem is in the page design; it probably needs a META tag that specifies "utf-8" as the "charset". My guess is that in the absence of contrary prompting, IE jumps to the conclusion that a string of characters that looks like Ā should be read as the Unicode character so designated, whereas Netscape only makes that leap of faith when specifically prompted.

As for utf-7 vs. utf-8, I have no experience with the former. All the Unicode pages I've seen use utf-8. My understanding (hazy) is that utf-7 is used in certain situations where you need 7-bit as opposed to 8-bit encoding of odd characters (some older email systems, Bitnet or whatever). Don't know. It's all improperly encoded Greek to me...

Liland

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: little john cameron
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 06:37 PM

Aye right,that's what i was going to say.LOL. LJC

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Snuffy
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 07:40 PM

As I understand it, the numerical codes will produce different results depending on both the browser and the character set, whereas the name codes will be the same irrespective. So à will always produce à.

Now lets see if there's a code called &Amicron; - &Amicron;

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Snuffy
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 07:44 PM

Obviously there isn't

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 07:58 PM

Pooh!

‰ Ç © þ ß Š ‡

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 07:59 PM

Snuffy, did you mean Omicron? Ω I hope that's right. It's 937 on Liland's list. I can do Greek letters in Netscape by choosing the Greek code, but is would be simpler and no switches required if I could do it directly as I can in IExp.

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 08:00 PM

whoops....leftover from another test first line was supposed to be:

á ó é ® Ø

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 08:05 PM

I have no problem with characters up to #255; ÿ
This is good in both IExp and netscape. Inverted ?, Spanish no problem ¿Qué?,

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Snuffy
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 08:06 PM

No, I meant the character in the first post - the A with a bar over it, but i see that's a mAcron not a mIcron, so I'll try again with &Amacron; - &Amacron;

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 08:12 PM

Icelandic works fine in both browsers. Ðþ I have to go to Cyrillic code to do Russian Щ in Netscape, but no problem in IExp.

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 08:25 PM

Bill, what did you use to get parts per hundred (0/00)?

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 09:06 PM

&amacron;

If that worked, I typed &amacron; (no capital A)

If it didn't work, oops - never mind.

In the first post, Dicho used Ā

It doesn't display on my system.

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 09:09 PM

Oh well. Do you know you can just click on "View" and "Source" in your browser and see the HTML coding for the whole thread? You can look for Bill's (or anyone's) post and see what he typed in. I'm guessing Bill copied characters from Word or another word processing program's "symbols." Not all of them will work, but some will.

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Feb 02 - 09:32 PM

Jeri, I didn't get all that with view-source, but I did get that only 0-255 are "in the loop." A macron is 256, so not covered in Netscape as currently set. They all work with IExp. and can be read in IExp., but they appear as a question mark if you use Netscape as your browser to read the messages.
0/00 is 8240, but the 0/00 posted by Bill D IS readable on Netscape, so he used a different code.

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Feb 02 - 05:46 AM

Dicho: No, that's Omega, not Omicron. Omicron appears as either upper case 'O' or lower case 'o'

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: MudGuard
Date: 28 Feb 02 - 06:25 AM

see here for a full list of named entities

How to read it:

<!ENTITY iexcl CDATA "&#161;" -- inverted exclamation mark, U+00A1 ISOnum -->

<!ENTITY starts an entity definition
iexcl is the name of the entity so you can use this entity by writing &iexcl;
CDATA is the data type of the entity - of no interest...
"&#161;" shows what the named entity is transformed to - you could always use &#161; instead of &iexcl;
-- starts a comment
inverted exclamation mark, U+00A1 ISOnum describes the entity
-- ends a comment
> ends the entity definition

Not all browsers do understand all named entities.

And even if they do understand it, it depends on the current font,whether the character is available or not.

(Now lets hope I did not mess up the HTML in this post...)

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Feb 02 - 12:01 PM

MudGuard said something important with it depends on the current font.

When comparing what Netscape and IE do, you've got to be sure that you're using the same display font in both.

I recently changed my default font (IE5, Win98) from Times New Roman to Palatino, because Palatino displays the famous "euro" and TNR (on my machine) doesn't.

And the same font name as applied to "European" machines may use a different "font page" than is available to us po' folk in the US, and may display differently.

A compounding factor is that WinNT4/SP2, Win2000, and WinXP can use Unicode fonts, while Win98 and earlier cannot (according to Mickey$oft).

John

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Feb 02 - 12:11 PM

Dicho, I have MSIE 5. I suspect it has something to do with my character set but it's a bigger pain to try to figure out than not being able to read some characters.

Whoops - had to try something, and it worked. I set the font (for not-otherwise specified) to Tahoma, and the character appeared. (Arial, Lucida, and Times New Roman didn't work.)

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Feb 02 - 02:18 PM

Ā Ǿ Ю

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Feb 02 - 02:40 PM

Tried Tahoma- same result; OK in IExp, but only ? in Netscape. I have 2000; the Encoding is Western European (lots of choices that would change me to Cyrillic, etc.)
Apparently UTF-8 is the only choice here? UTF-7 not listed, or does that mean I am in UTF-7? I will try to get a technician who can explain this stuff to me.
I am really interested only in the letters with macrons (Japanese when translated into English, and Hawai'ian as well, should have the macrons over certain vowels to indicate pronunciation. (My interest here is in Japanese art and Hawai'ian literature as discussed in translated articles).
I could do it all in Word and cut and paste, I understand, but it would be convenient to use the HTML-based system in some cases.

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Feb 02 - 03:25 PM

how I did my characters:

since I am on a PC, all I do is type alt-0137 ‰....I use a fancy version of character map

or ‰ yep!...I can also do it by hitting ctrl, then %+0 while a program called AllChars is open (which it always is, for me)...it gives me hot key access to any standard character..

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Feb 02 - 03:37 PM

By the way...I have begun using the Opera browser extensively...they have a VERY large menu of language styles and font preferences that they support. I don't really 'need' many of these features, but I like to gradually explore what they are about.

I DO like having access to many fonts, and have collected way more than I'll ever use..(sound familar, Jeri?)...I 'usually' use M$ "Georgia" for basic display, but I am always trying others to find the clearest, most complete fonts that will make reading Mudcat threads easiest.

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Feb 02 - 03:48 PM

oh...and a question--

I sometimes want to display an infinity symbol, and it is not in standard PC fonts, though it seems to be for MACs.

Is there any 'easy' way to use another font (like some math fonts) to mix an infinity symbol into a post,and have it be seen?...I believe Windows has a default symbol font with infinity, but can it be used in the middle of a post?

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Haruo
Date: 01 Mar 02 - 02:33 AM

Anybody know how to get a machine that doesn't have a Cherokee font to do Cherokee anyway? (I'd like to be able to dispense with the GIF at my Cherokee Amazing Grace page. Also, does anybody know a paper-published (non-online) reference work that will tell me how to type something in US Notepad that browsers with Japanese language support will recognize as Japanese?

Liland

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Micca
Date: 01 Mar 02 - 05:58 PM

Á

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Mar 02 - 10:47 PM

Á Á

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Mar 02 - 03:04 PM

Some help may be found at BS: HTML CHARACTERS: REDACT/REDUX . Some idiot posted the full set of "standard" html characters, so you can open the above thread and look at what you see - and what you don't see - on your own browser.

Bill D. -- the infinity symbol can be coded as &infin; and will display ok in my IE, but will not print directly from my IE. If I copy and paste the html page into Word, it doesn't display in Word - but prints ok to my LJ printer. (At least that was the case with Times New Roman set on both IE5 and in Word.)

One of the other HTML practice/discussion threads (3 to 6 months ago?) showed a way to use the html "span" operator(?) to put an "overbar" or macron over text, but I apparently didn't bookmark it.

The HTML standards define certain characters that are "named entities" which can be coded using the &name; format. All of the "named entities" defined in HTML 3.0 are ANSI characters. "Character values" for the standard named entities are from decimal 32 through 255. This range does not include any macron characters, and does not include the above &inif; "∞" character.

When your browser gets a page, it does not get A,B,C, and such. It gets character codes. If the page contains a an entity name, it is up to your browser to replace it with a character glyph. For most characters, what is actually received is a number that identifies a character - ASCII, ANSI, or UNICODE. As far as the browser is concerned - the number is the character. Your browser uses whatever font is enabled to substitute character glyphs or pictures, for each character.

If you don't have a font that knows how to draw the picture you will not see the character. If you use "fancy stuff" - even if you can see it, persons reading your post must also have a font installed that is able to draw the character.

More (perhaps) to follow.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Mar 02 - 03:44 PM

The A with macron is HMTL 256 and 257: Ā and ā which work in IE but not Netscape (print as ?). The std. chars. only go up to 255.
Liland has a more complete listing than yours, John: CHARS
They all work in IE but not Netscape for those above 255. I can get a bunch of chars. by switching to Cyrillic, Greek, etc. but switching for one letter is tedious, and I don't know if they will print here. See Joe's comments in another current thread on "fadas." Apparently Mudcat can lose these character modifications.
All of this has appeared in other threads. Too bad the programs in this regard are not standard across "brand" names.

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Mar 02 - 03:55 PM

New name - "fumblefingers." "&inif indeed!"

&infin; = ∞
&#8734; = ∞
&#x221E; = ∞

HTML doesn't 'care' whether you use decimal character codes (&#number;), hex character codes (&#xnumber), or entity names (&name;). Your browser may handle one or the other a little better, especially for "strange" characters; but it makes no real difference how you code them.

It might be argued, for purposes of illustration at least, that the "A" on your keyboard is only a mnemonic for "ASCII 065" - or more likely ASCII X41, the hex value, since the number is what 'goes into' the program.

It could also be argued that your html browser "correctly" displays all characters which it receives - if we accept that it has a special symbol meaning IDUNNOWHATTHEHELLTHISCHARACTERIS.

The "undisplayed" character is not lost, and if you "format" it to a font that knows how to draw it, it will (almost always) be displayed.

The difficulty is in finding a suitable font.

For the truly curious, Developing International Software for Windows 95 and Windows NT: Microsoft Programming Series, Nadine Kano, Microsoft Press, ISBN 1-55615-840-8 has some interesting stuff. Be aware that this book dates back to 1968, and runs to 750 pages. Last known list price was about $35 US. A new edition, to include Win2000 and WinXP is promised soon, perhaps even this year - but this is a Mickey$oft schedule.

Any ASCII character, decimal value 32 thru 127, should "come across" for virtually any DOS or Windows program.

Any ANSI character, decimal value 32 thru 255, should "come across" in any Windows program, and in DOS programs if you boot ANSI.SYS. Be aware that definitions of the ANSI character set are "loose."

Many UNICODE characters, decimal value 32 thru "manymany" may "come across" in HTML, but it depends almost entirely on your installed fonts.

I am told that Win2000 and WinXP, and associated "office suites" permit direct entry of Unicode character values, using "Alt-u#####", where ##### is the decimal UNICODE character number entered on NumPad. Win98 and earlier allow you to enter ANSI characters as Alt-### (again ### on the NumPad), but this will not work for numbers above 255.

The fonts Palatino and Tahoma are "Microsoft" fonts, and have been supplemented to display a few characters not normally in "Western Roman" fonts. For this reason, your odds of displaying unusual characters are slightly enhanced if you use one of these two fonts in your browser. As an example, the non-ASCII character for the euro, €, has been inserted at ASCII decimal 128.

Those using "European" or other non-US English Mickey$oft systems may have the same "font" but be set up to use a different "font page," which will give significantly different glyph substitutions.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Mar 02 - 04:18 PM

The HTML 3 standard suggests that you should be able to use any UNICODE character in a page. (Before the flak begins, yes, this is a loose interpretation.)

There appears to be a way to embed or link a font to display extended characters. In essence, the font could download with the page. This appears to be infrequently done, and is probably not a reasonable thing to expect of most sites.

The page server should send the character codes, leaving it upt to your browser to have the means to render them. It should not "lose" pieces of the code in the process. (And I'll accept rebuttals on this one, too.)

I note that most US users will have US-English "language" as their default setting. You can go to ControlPanel - Add/RemovePrograms and install "International Languages" if you have your install CD still handy. (Note that the "International" sets are still all western european.)

Once you have installed the additional fonts that go with the "International Set," IE lets you select multiple languages, and rearrange the choices in order of preference.

Setting up like this might facilitate display of other characters - but when you post, you must remember that posting the most brilliant contribution does absolutely no good if nobody can read it. If you find a better setup, you'll need to tell us so we can all agree to use it.

As an incidental note: I've run the full set of UNICODE values, and examined them as html. The posting I linked is limited to those that might be considered "reasonably useful." There are a few "cute" things at higher values, but the density of useful characters (with the fonts I had loaded that day) gets very low above those shown.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 01:03 PM

Never Mind!

Great Catch Max!

CERT Advisory on cross site scripting

-- Vince Wilding, AKA Wincing Devil

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 01:34 PM

The following should work in both IE & NS:

Character entity references for ISO 8859-1 characters

nbsp		 	no-break space = non-breaking space, U+00A0 ISOnum
iexcl	¡	¡	inverted exclamation mark, U+00A1 ISOnum
cent	¢	¢	cent sign, U+00A2 ISOnum
pound	£	£	pound sign, U+00A3 ISOnum
curren	¤	¤	currency sign, U+00A4 ISOnum
yen	¥	¥	yen sign = yuan sign, U+00A5 ISOnum
brvbar	¦	¦	broken bar = broken vertical bar, U+00A6 ISOnum
sect	§	§	section sign, U+00A7 ISOnum
uml	¨	¨	diaeresis = spacing diaeresis, U+00A8 ISOdia
copy	©	©	copyright sign, U+00A9 ISOnum
ordf	ª	ª	feminine ordinal indicator, U+00AA ISOnum
laquo	«	«	left-pointing double angle quotation mark = left pointing guillemet, U+00AB ISOnum
not	¬	¬	not sign, U+00AC ISOnum
shy	­	­	soft hyphen = discretionary hyphen, U+00AD ISOnum
reg	®	®	registered sign = registered trade mark sign, U+00AE ISOnum
macr	¯	¯	macron = spacing macron = overline = APL overbar, U+00AF ISOdia
deg	°	°	degree sign, U+00B0 ISOnum
plusmn	±	±	plus-minus sign = plus-or-minus sign, U+00B1 ISOnum
sup2	²	²	superscript two = superscript digit two = squared, U+00B2 ISOnum
sup3	³	³	superscript three = superscript digit three = cubed, U+00B3 ISOnum
acute	´	´	acute accent = spacing acute, U+00B4 ISOdia
micro	µ	µ	micro sign, U+00B5 ISOnum
para	¶	¶	pilcrow sign = paragraph sign, U+00B6 ISOnum
middot	·	·	middle dot = Georgian comma = Greek middle dot, U+00B7 ISOnum
cedil	¸	¸	cedilla = spacing cedilla, U+00B8 ISOdia
sup1	¹	¹	superscript one = superscript digit one, U+00B9 ISOnum
ordm	º	º	masculine ordinal indicator, U+00BA ISOnum
raquo	»	»	right-pointing double angle quotation mark = right pointing guillemet, U+00BB ISOnum
frac14	¼	¼	vulgar fraction one quarter = fraction one quarter, U+00BC ISOnum
frac12	½	½	vulgar fraction one half = fraction one half, U+00BD ISOnum
frac34	¾	¾	vulgar fraction three quarters = fraction three quarters, U+00BE ISOnum
iquest	¿	¿	inverted question mark = turned question mark, U+00BF ISOnum
Agrave	À	À	latin capital letter A with grave = latin capital letter A grave, U+00C0 ISOlat1
Aacute	Á	Á	latin capital letter A with acute, U+00C1 ISOlat1
Acirc	Â	Â	latin capital letter A with circumflex, U+00C2 ISOlat1
Atilde	Ã	Ã	latin capital letter A with tilde, U+00C3 ISOlat1
Auml	Ä	Ä	latin capital letter A with diaeresis, U+00C4 ISOlat1
Aring	Å	Å	latin capital letter A with ring above = latin capital letter A ring, U+00C5 ISOlat1
AElig	Æ	Æ	latin capital letter AE = latin capital ligature AE, U+00C6 ISOlat1
Ccedil	Ç	Ç	latin capital letter C with cedilla, U+00C7 ISOlat1
Egrave	È	È	latin capital letter E with grave, U+00C8 ISOlat1
Eacute	É	É	latin capital letter E with acute, U+00C9 ISOlat1
Ecirc	Ê	Ê	latin capital letter E with circumflex, U+00CA ISOlat1
Euml	Ë	Ë	latin capital letter E with diaeresis, U+00CB ISOlat1
Igrave	Ì	Ì	latin capital letter I with grave, U+00CC ISOlat1
Iacute	Í	Í	latin capital letter I with acute, U+00CD ISOlat1
Icirc	Î	Î	latin capital letter I with circumflex, U+00CE ISOlat1
Iuml	Ï	Ï	latin capital letter I with diaeresis, U+00CF ISOlat1
ETH	Ð	Ð	latin capital letter ETH, U+00D0 ISOlat1
Ntilde	Ñ	Ñ	latin capital letter N with tilde, U+00D1 ISOlat1
Ograve	Ò	Ò	latin capital letter O with grave, U+00D2 ISOlat1
Oacute	Ó	Ó	latin capital letter O with acute, U+00D3 ISOlat1
Ocirc	Ô	Ô	latin capital letter O with circumflex, U+00D4 ISOlat1
Otilde	Õ	Õ	latin capital letter O with tilde, U+00D5 ISOlat1
Ouml	Ö	Ö	latin capital letter O with diaeresis, U+00D6 ISOlat1
times	×	×	multiplication sign, U+00D7 ISOnum
Oslash	Ø	Ø	latin capital letter O with stroke = latin capital letter O slash, U+00D8 ISOlat1
Ugrave	Ù	Ù	latin capital letter U with grave, U+00D9 ISOlat1
Uacute	Ú	Ú	latin capital letter U with acute, U+00DA ISOlat1
Ucirc	Û	Û	latin capital letter U with circumflex, U+00DB ISOlat1
Uuml	Ü	Ü	latin capital letter U with diaeresis, U+00DC ISOlat1
Yacute	Ý	Ý	latin capital letter Y with acute, U+00DD ISOlat1
THORN	Þ	Þ	latin capital letter THORN, U+00DE ISOlat1
szlig	ß	ß	latin small letter sharp s = ess-zed, U+00DF ISOlat1
agrave	à	à	latin small letter a with grave = latin small letter a grave, U+00E0 ISOlat1
aacute	á	á	latin small letter a with acute, U+00E1 ISOlat1
acirc	â	â	latin small letter a with circumflex, U+00E2 ISOlat1
atilde	ã	ã	latin small letter a with tilde, U+00E3 ISOlat1
auml	ä	ä	latin small letter a with diaeresis, U+00E4 ISOlat1
aring	å	å	latin small letter a with ring above = latin small letter a ring, U+00E5 ISOlat1
aelig	æ	æ	latin small letter ae = latin small ligature ae, U+00E6 ISOlat1
ccedil	ç	ç	latin small letter c with cedilla, U+00E7 ISOlat1
egrave	è	è	latin small letter e with grave, U+00E8 ISOlat1
eacute	é	é	latin small letter e with acute, U+00E9 ISOlat1
ecirc	ê	ê	latin small letter e with circumflex, U+00EA ISOlat1
euml	ë	ë	latin small letter e with diaeresis, U+00EB ISOlat1
igrave	ì	ì	latin small letter i with grave, U+00EC ISOlat1
iacute	í	í	latin small letter i with acute, U+00ED ISOlat1
icirc	î	î	latin small letter i with circumflex, U+00EE ISOlat1
iuml	ï	ï	latin small letter i with diaeresis, U+00EF ISOlat1
eth	ð	ð	latin small letter eth, U+00F0 ISOlat1
ntilde	ñ	ñ	latin small letter n with tilde, U+00F1 ISOlat1
ograve	ò	ò	latin small letter o with grave, U+00F2 ISOlat1
oacute	ó	ó	latin small letter o with acute, U+00F3 ISOlat1
ocirc	ô	ô	latin small letter o with circumflex, U+00F4 ISOlat1
otilde	õ	õ	latin small letter o with tilde, U+00F5 ISOlat1
ouml	ö	ö	latin small letter o with diaeresis, U+00F6 ISOlat1
divide	÷	÷	division sign, U+00F7 ISOnum
oslash	ø	ø	latin small letter o with stroke, = latin small letter o slash, U+00F8 ISOlat1
ugrave	ù	ù	latin small letter u with grave, U+00F9 ISOlat1
uacute	ú	ú	latin small letter u with acute, U+00FA ISOlat1
ucirc	û	û	latin small letter u with circumflex, U+00FB ISOlat1
uuml	ü	ü	latin small letter u with diaeresis, U+00FC ISOlat1
yacute	ý	ý	latin small letter y with acute, U+00FD ISOlat1
thorn	þ	þ	latin small letter thorn, U+00FE ISOlat1
yuml	ÿ	ÿ	latin small letter y with diaeresis, U+00FF ISOlat1

Wincing Devil   >;-( Milk leads to a tuneful cat!

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 05:19 PM

? ?

hmmmmmmmmm..great!

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 05:24 PM

nope...it displayed when I typed it, but I guess the short method doesn't work...let's try this:

&infin;

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 05:26 PM

∞

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 05:30 PM

ok... got it...sort of..*grin*

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 05:34 PM

test

&infin;

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 05:36 PM

more test

&infin;

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 05:40 PM

Bill D- same old story. Displays well on the IE screen, but only the code you typed in and ??? on Netscape. Only the 255 iso8859-01 chars. display on Netscape.

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: bill\sables
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 06:49 PM

For Web Address click here

Email click to email

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 07:12 PM

I'm not a netscape user, but all the talk led me to make a "curiosity" visit to www.netscape.com.

On point made (if you dig around) is that netscape 6.1 should be able to display most of the characters that are being discussed if the "international" capabilities are installed.

If you took the default installation, you will not have the utilties for handling extended characters. And if you got your netscape from them, the installer only downloads what you ask for at the time of installation

To get the whole thing, you would need to go back to netscape.com and "reinstall," probably using the "custom installation" mode.

An additional "clinker" is that netscape provides an easy way for an ISP to give you a "tailored" netscape browser that only includes "what they think you need", so if you got netscape from your ISP - or elsewhere, you essentially don't know what you've got.

This is not "value judgement" about netscape as a browser, but perhaps someone might want to see if a different "flavor" of the installation does things differently(?).

John

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 07:49 PM

I just downloaded Mozilla, which is a Netscape clone..(well, sort of) and I'm using Opera a LOT more since I can do almost everything from the keyboard with it and it helps my aching arm..(pinched nerve in neck)....I will be trying the display properties of all of them,,,,,

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 08:34 PM

John, you've got part of the answer. The local high-speed cable outfit (Shaw) does not use the latest version of Netscape. I have 6 installed, but it will sit there until the cable people learn to count above 5. Of course I can use more than the 255 Iso chars, and they would print if I change to Cyrillic, or whatever. Usually I just want one character, so switching back and forth is not worth it. I occasionally type Spanish words, but the standard Iso chars are fine for that (not like Irish where they seem to use grave or acute marks with damn near every letter- I always thought a fada was a Portuguese wail).
None of this helps me with the macron vowels I would like to use with Netscape. If I used IE, I would have to know that my recipients ALSO are using it. This region, e. g., has millions of people, the computer-users in centers with cable mostly using Shaw and most sticking with Netscape, which is more user-friendly for mail, searching through googles and book-marking.
Telus is in the process of setting up a competing high-speed system, but they ain't there yet. I don't know what they will use.

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 06 Mar 02 - 12:41 PM

Just testing:

Erin Go Bragh!

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 Mar 02 - 05:15 PM

Dicho -

As a thought for your macron vowels.

The current varieties of Windows stuff include Times New Roman Special G1 and Special G2, and I believe a Special G1 at least for Arial. I'm not sure that these come with Windows. I think they're in Win98 but they might have crept onto my machines with Office Pro which I also use.

The TNR-Special G1 includes a number of macron vowels. They appear to have unique "ANSI" (actually UNICODE?) character values, so they should transmit the proper character values in a web page.

To be displayed on a receiving browser, the browser would need to be able to use the font pages appropriate for these "subpage" fonts, and I'm still trying to sort out how "font paging" works in Windows - let alone in HTML.

At least for normal document work, you can lift the characters from the G1/G2 fonts with the Windows Character Map utility.

IE lets you set several "languages" simultaneously, and is supposed to pick from them "in the order listed," but I don't see a place to set these "special" subfonts, so setting TimesNewRoman may include them(?) or not(??).

John

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Mar 02 - 05:52 PM

No problem with macrons using Word. But if I cut and paste, would the Netscape users see them? Dunno.

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 Mar 02 - 06:11 PM

You can "save as" a page, and look at the code offline - meaning that the "code" comes across, even on characters that don't "print to screen." If the netscape - or any other browser - has a font that knows how to "draw" the characters, then they will see them. It's up to the browser that's trying to look at it.

I haven't confirmed that all of the Special G1 characters have unique character numbers, since my "ANSI Analyser" is only good up to decimal 255; but ones I've looked at using rather tedious other methods do appear to.

It's also uncertain whether (or when) Windows considers the Special Gs an included subset of a font, or if you have to select them separately. I'm working on that (for other uses too) but not making much progress.

Only way to know for sure is to try it, I guess. I can't help, 'cause I don't use netscape, and with the number of different "flavors" available, it's hard to know what "random feedback" really tells you.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 11 Mar 02 - 12:18 PM

Testing internal links.....
Trying to link toa thread e.g. - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=31041

Linking via www full address

Linking with a relative link?

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Mar 02 - 01:03 PM

Trying to screw up. (I usually don't have to work very hard.)

Lets try not closeing an underline.
Lets try not closing italics.

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Mar 02 - 01:37 PM

OK, Jer, am I underlined and italic now?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 11 Mar 02 - 01:43 PM

Waaahh!!!! Can't use tables anymore! I'll place my case before TPTB, then I can show off my American Flag....

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Mar 02 - 01:57 PM

Want to check if a link or character will work on this system ?
The system will let you PM yourself. If it works in the PM then just cut & paste!
Easy non ?

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 11 Mar 02 - 05:30 PM

testing

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 11 Mar 02 - 05:34 PM

"There are no strangers here--only friends that haven't met yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Mar 02 - 05:51 PM

RR, some broswers see scrolling, others don't but do see blinking. A lot of members tho have said they find both irritating. Me, I like 'em!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: MudGuard
Date: 12 Mar 02 - 04:13 AM

<fontcolor=greensize=4><marquee>testing</marquee></fontcolor=greensize=4>

• missing a blank between font and color
• missing a blank between green and size
• marquee is not HTML, it is some nonsense that was created by Microsoft which therefore only works in Microsoft browsers
• closing tags do not have attributes

correct version therefore is:

<font color=green size=4>testing</font>

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 01:18 PM

1. Aw wish Yor Fethur Wes Here

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: harpmaker
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 07:52 PM

just practice. here

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 12:41 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 12:42 PM

Anyone remember how to do italics?

Thanks - Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: MMario
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 12:48 PM

italics?

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Watson
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 12:51 PM

<i>italics </i>
Gives you italics

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 02:26 PM

Thank you

Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Haruo
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 07:37 PM

harpmaker, nice site; I can't get the "Australian Folk Festivals listings" link to work, though. And if you know the Folk Federation of Tasmania (Inc.) folks, let them know February done come and gone.

Liland

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Marion
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 12:54 AM

blah blah blah

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Marion
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 12:57 AM

try again

click here for table

sdfsa sdfsd sdf asdf asdf

asdfs sdf sdfsd asdf

asdfasdf asdfsa

asdf

asdfasdf asdf asdf

table of contents

sdfa sdf asdf

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Marion
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 12:59 AM

one more try

click here

sdfas sdf asdf asdf asdf asdfa sdf wef asd

weg asdg wef asdg wef edrfa wsefg asd asdf we dsgadsg wea sdg awe dsg awe sdb aerg4 aderf aer4 aws aewsrg

reg aweg aew aweg sweg wseg wsef we werf werf wefwse wesg wseg awserg

awseg awseg wseg

table of contents

asdf werf wef

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Marion
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 01:04 AM

damn it! how come it works for Joe and not me?

click here

sdfa

sadf werf

sdfas

sadfsa

asdf

asdf

asdf

asdf

sdf

asdf

asd

asdf

asdf

asdf

asdf

asdf

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asdf

asdf

asdf

asdf

asdf

asdf

asdf

asdf

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asdf

asdf

asdf

asdf

asdf

asdf

asdf

asdf asdf

asdf

wer

sdf

awe

yj

hj

yuj

table of contents

sdf asdfa

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: Marion
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 01:08 AM

this time it's going to work

click here

asdf

sdf

asdg

wer

asd

wer

asdg

werf

asdg

asdf

asdf

wer

sd

waerf

sadf

asdf

asdf

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asdf

asdf

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asdf

asdf

asdf

table of contents

ta da

Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
From: C-flat
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 04:52 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Practice HTML
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Date: 19 Aug 03 - 04:56 PM

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