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Subject: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: GUEST,Gamine - who's 'in between' jiggly Date: 11 Jun 02 - 12:28 AM I got the idea for this post from reading another thread (can't remember which one, but I think KimC said something about pantyhose and jiggling, and Troll answered something funny and it got me thinking) Here's the question: Do men (and women for that matter) have a 'jiggle' preference? I mean, I have heard my male friends say (and I think it is stolen from Pulp Fiction? or some movie like that): It is a shame that what looks good to the eyes does not always feel good to the touch. I have discussed this at length with many of my male friends and I have surmised that most of them prefer (to sleep with, cuddle with, be with) women with a bit of meat on their bones, and by that I mean 'jiggly', even though most of those same male friends prefer (on their arm in public, in magazines, walking by on the street) to LOOK at women who do not jiggle, or jiggle very little. I am not convinced this is a gender difference only, or a preference depicted solely by our society (though I am sure that greatly impacts our preceptions)...could it be a global preference, outside the realms of gender, outside the realms of societies rules? I know I LOOK with MUCH appreciation at both jiggle-less men and jiggle-less women, but I know I actually LIKE a man with a bit of 'give', shall we say?, in his stomach and chest and arms when I am in bed with him (much more comfortable!) and I assume I would prefer that for a woman as well, if I were to ever sleep with one. I know there is a lot to say here, as this topic undoubtably begs for: witty comments (Who cares if they jiggle or not as long as they are naked and in bed with me!?) moral justifications (Who cares if they jiggle or not as long as they are a good person on the inside? Jeez, how superficial can you be, Gamine?) agism-laced shots (Gamine, you must be past your prime and starting to jiggle and now you are getting worried. Or: Gamine, only one so young would be so concerned with that which is so NOT important in the grand scheme of things.) feminism-laced absurdities (We will never be truly empowered until we embrace that which makes us jiggle! Jiggling women of the world UNITE! Who cares what those stinking men think anyway?)[by the by, I am definitely using BROAD and GROSS generalizations of 'feminism' here to illustrate a point and try really really really hard to be witty] and I am sure a barrage of other perspectives, all of which I am looking forward to reading! Peace to all, jiggly and non-jiggly alike, and let the games begin! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: GUEST,ozmacca Date: 11 Jun 02 - 12:49 AM I can do more than quote from one of the ultimate sages of the modern age, to whom we all turn in our moment of need for comfort and elucidation. "Join the jigglers....." (To those who don't know, it's an ad on the infernal box for tea-bags, and also refers to danglers...... hmmmmmm.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: wysiwyg Date: 11 Jun 02 - 01:03 AM All you need to know is, The Man Show (on cableTV, USA) closes with the same item each week: "Girls on Trampolines." ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: DonMeixner Date: 11 Jun 02 - 01:15 AM 'Show me a pretty little number, Whenb she walks, she rolls like thunder, Eyes as deep and dark as the deep blue sea, Round right here and round right there, Pretty red lips and her very own hair, Wrap her up, she's the narural girl for me." I find Janeane Garafolo every bit as sexy as I do Mag Helgenberger or my real Sweetie. Don |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 11 Jun 02 - 01:19 AM From "She weighs 16 stone"
If you've seen more meat on a greasy spoon, The popularity of this song with male and female alike (depending on who is singing it) has proved the point to me over and over again. And yes, I do like a bum that moves. Having said that, the ones you could bounce a £2 coin off are pretty nice too. I believe the correct term is "something to grab hold of" - after all, who wants to keep sliding off?????? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: CarolC Date: 11 Jun 02 - 01:56 AM I think a little bit of apholstery on a man can be a very nice thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: CarolC Date: 11 Jun 02 - 01:57 AM (ahem... upholstery) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: fogie Date: 11 Jun 02 - 04:41 AM And heres me desperately trying to resume an athletic figure, like I had when I ran and cycled more. I blame playing instruments, I prefer practicing to back-jarring and boring excercises, the only sport I really like is squash, and I'm not at all sure that it isnt the visit to the pup afterwards that keeps me going. I noticed my figure took a turn for the worst quite suddenly around the 50 mark. My old mate Al who smoked like a chimney became a born again long distance runner at 50 and thinks nothing of spending all day running across Wales, and he's as lithe as a ferret. There's no justice in the world Its great to know that after a certain age what matters more is not necessarily entirely visual. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Dave Bryant Date: 11 Jun 02 - 05:01 AM Well, "Essex Girl" isn't exactly sylph-like and I find her a very satisfying cuddle at night. when they did a survey to find out whether men preferred ladies with skinny thighs or plump thighs, the results showed that what turned most men on was something in between ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Skipjack K8 Date: 11 Jun 02 - 05:03 AM Carol, you are so footsure that I actually had the dictionary out to look apholstery up! Always scroll down. Good point, Gammy, 'bout the look and the feel not connecting. My reply is that love is blind, and hurrah for that. But talking of sexy, I have a colleague who purchases a low brow UK paper called the Daily Star, which is keenly ogled in the office, especially the Bot of the Day. I can reveal that the arses are getting bigger, and hurrah for that too. As to lurve-making, the bisection of look and feel (if you leave the lights on!) is fulfilling in love, and ultimately repellant (from my male perspective, anyway) in 'casual' sex. Your use of language is right-on jiggly, Gammy!! Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Mr Red Date: 11 Jun 02 - 07:05 AM speeking personally - it's what's inside (ignoring the obvious reference). Shape is not a prime consideration unless it impedes life! Historically I have always had active partners - active enough for dancing anyway (vert & horiz). the world pre-occupation with big boobs bemuses me, it seems to be a fantasy falshood. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: CarolC Date: 11 Jun 02 - 07:21 AM Ok. Here's what I'd like to know. Here's your choice, guys...
A woman with a larger than average bust, and a small butt and narrow hips, or a woman with a sizable but and small bust?
Or is it six of one and half dozen of the other? (And no, you can't have both. At least not in this question.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: gnu Date: 11 Jun 02 - 07:23 AM Of course it's what's inside and of course most people prefer middle-of-road and certainly we aren't discussing obviously unhealthy extremes. But, if you ask me, and you did, all men I know prefer plump to thin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Skipjack K8 Date: 11 Jun 02 - 07:25 AM You over the pear, Cags!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: CarolC Date: 11 Jun 02 - 07:26 AM *G* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: AliUK Date: 11 Jun 02 - 08:12 AM As a male-jiggler myself I find that my preference is for women that don´t jiggle as much as I do, Especially when it comes to ´joggling´, but that doesn´t mean to say that I don´t like women who jiggle a little, as long as they don´t jangle as it plays havoc with the silk sheets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Micca Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:03 AM CarolC, it HAS to be option B, on the principle that (in the bust dept) anything you cant get in your mouth is wasted*******BG***** and it is Horrible to snuggle up to a bony skinny bottom!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Nathan in Texas Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:09 AM In the interest of keeping this a folk music forum, I submit the following opinion from Leadbelly. KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF HER (Huddie Ledbetter) Keep your hands off, keep your hands off her, Keep your hands off her, keep your hands off her, Keep your hands off her, you know what I said, You know she don't belong to you. She's a heavy-hipped mama, she's got the great big legs. She's a heavy-hipped mama, she's got the great big legs. She's a heavy-hipped mama, she's got the great big legs. Walking like she walkin' on soft boiled eggs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: GUEST Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:10 AM Option A, without doubt Find big fat bums a huge turnoff But we're all different I guess... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: CarolC Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:17 AM Does that mean it's all over between us Micca? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Mrrzy Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:48 AM Why o why can't women go without bras in the USA? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: GUEST Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:49 AM They can... And do |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Fibula Mattock Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:57 AM Micca, your reply reminds me of that joke: "Why is it called a waist?" "Cos you could fit another pair of breasts on there".
Skipjack, you nailed it on the head! "As to lurve-making, the bisection of look and feel (if you leave the lights on!) is fulfilling in love, and ultimately repellant (from my male perspective, anyway) in 'casual' sex."
Hmmm, from this woman's perspective, it's preferable if the bloke's arse isn't smaller than mine, as usually seems to be the case (not that my arse is sizeable, just that I seem to keep sharing beds with kipper-hipped men). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Kim C Date: 11 Jun 02 - 11:17 AM From what my guy friends tell me.... they find slender, shapely women attractive BUT when they find someone they really like, it don't matter all that much. I mean, I really dig The Rock, to look at... but Mister, well, he's 6'2" and about 170. Weighs the same he did in high school at the age of 46. He don't have Rock-like muscles but he is lean and wiry. I tend to prefer the tall, skinny types, but before I was married, I dated guys who weren't necessarily either one. Dave was large, bordering on fat, and I was absolutely crazy about him. I had a muscular boyfriend too, and he was ever so fine to look at - but I was crazy about him as well, and it really wouldn't have mattered. I would have followed him to the ends of the earth - but sadly, when he did go to the ends of the earth, I wasn't in a position to follow. C'est la vie. But I would have!!! ;-)In all, though, I think I got the better deal. Looks may attract you to someome, but it ain't the thing that keeps you.
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: mousethief Date: 11 Jun 02 - 12:09 PM More and more I find that the women who attract me the most are those who most look like my wife, whom I rather fell in love with sight unseen (it was a cyberromance). (pic: click. Prior to meeting her I was attracted to skinny redheads, largely (no pun intended) because of my first girlfriend in high school.
"I married her just because she looks like you." Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: GUEST,Les B. Date: 11 Jun 02 - 12:33 PM I don't care so much about what jiggles, as long as her hips are broader than her shoulders ! On a slightly different point about cultural differences -- I once filmed a tribe in central Africa who thought the ultimate in feminine beauty was to have their two front teeth knocked out. Boy, when they grinned at you it was like a dentist's wet dream. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Micca Date: 11 Jun 02 - 12:34 PM Carol, of course not, you may be "pocket sized" in some respects but there is No Doubt you are ALL WOMAN!!!!!!!, and lovely with it!!! I should know , I have hugged you!! but your Inner strength and self would make you very special in anyones world!!! and I am very happy you are a friend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: GUEST,gamine Date: 11 Jun 02 - 12:44 PM I had a feeling I would read all of you this way. What an honest fantastic bunch! Here's the rub: if we all feel this way, why do we stress out so much about looking like that beautiful tennis gal Anna Kournikova, or model Cindy Crawford, or their male counterparts (funny, but it is a lot harder for me to come up with examples for the guy side). Obviously I think we all agree that to just let oneself GO completely is unhealthy and probably out of the question (though there may be something said for living a hedonistic lifestyle in all ways: food, drink, sex, to the excess [but that may be another thread]), but to obsess about being perfectly supple here, and perfectly plump down there, and perfectly flat right in the middle like the young girls I teach do, or my sister's at the pub do, or my wonderfully diverse size-wise male friends do...what are we thinking? Who are we trying to impress? Eachother? Ourselves? Some fashion phantom? What a quandary! Thanks to Nathan in Texas for keeping me honest and thanks to Skipjack K8 for the nice "language" comment! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: GUEST,Lynn Date: 11 Jun 02 - 12:48 PM Liz - a two-pound coin??? Is there such a thing, or is that a bit of Brit slang that I missed?? Lynn |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Mrs.Duck Date: 11 Jun 02 - 01:14 PM I do the jiggling and leave the juggling to Geoff!! And yes there is a £2 coin, Lynn. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: SINSULL Date: 11 Jun 02 - 01:26 PM From Dave Bryant: Did anyone read that besides me? Nicely turned, David. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Kim C Date: 11 Jun 02 - 01:35 PM For me it is more about ME being happy with the way I look. At one time I had put on 16-20 pounds, and I wasn't happy. My clothes didn't fit and I didn't like the way I looked in my knickers. Mister, he couldn't have cared less. However I wanted to go into middle age fit and in shape, so I lost the weight and have been exercising regularly ever since. At first it was a chore but now it's fun, and Mister and I both enjoy the benefits. It's okay if I never look like Anna Kournikova, but I would like to be as fit as I personally can be. Which means that I might always have a round belly, even if there's a potential 6-pack underneath. But hey, I guess that's all right for belly dancing, huh? ;-) One thing I think young people may not recognize is that most models, and of course athletes, have to WORK at looking like they do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Morticia Date: 11 Jun 02 - 02:31 PM It's much more insidious than that....young girls are literally dying to look like that.....anorexia and bulimia are taking their toll on the young kids who believe all this crap and will never believe they can be liked for more than their looks...because all the tv and magazines reinforce the "be a size 6 or don't bother going out" mentality....bloody criminal, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Amergin Date: 11 Jun 02 - 02:51 PM well...I like women of all shapes and sizes....since I am look a bit like a hairy buddha myself...how can I expect others to starve themselves for me? I look inside....to the very soul.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 11 Jun 02 - 03:06 PM A hairy Buddha? OOoooohhhh Amergin, start swimming now, meet you half way...... LTS (nurse, the screens!!)
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: mousethief Date: 11 Jun 02 - 03:10 PM Is that syncretism? Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Gamine Date: 11 Jun 02 - 03:12 PM Right on, Amergin! Hey SINSULL: yeah, I caught it, too (Dave's "in between" comment) Pretty funny stuff! It is worth a back look for those of you who missed it the first time. --------------------------------------------------------- I am interested in the WHY's of these discrepencies (society saying one thing, but most of us really preferring to BE with something very different)...is there some sort of mechanism for our desires and preferences? Is there some sort of evolutionary trend? Is it all just what society throws at us? I read once that men prefer woman with ruby lips - the face kind - because at one time (if you believe that at one time we may have been on all fours, and obviously naked)the color of our (please take no offense, it really was a scientific article) OTHER lips was what men most noticed (are you getting the anatomical picture/position right in your head?), the hue of which deepen in color when we were/are, shall I say, ready? And now, the synthetically ruby lips on our faces provide a distant lingering shock to a man's old brain - a sign to him that we are 'ready'. (even if you don't believe any of the claims to old brain, etc. it is fun to think about and speculate) Does anyone know if there is something similiar going on with the jiggly controversy? I have some ideas about child bearing/life expectancy etc... Anyone want to comment on what they think the mechanism may be as it pertains to jiggly vs. non-jiggly, evolutionarily or otherwise? Like I said before, I am really interested in the WHY's of this. (and hey, if we can develop it enought to find a way to fit it into a bottle or jam it into a pill we will all make millions!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Gamine Date: 11 Jun 02 - 03:17 PM I MAY BE THREAD CREEPING HERE.... Mousethief: Is what syncretism? The definition as it pertains to blending language or the definition as it pertains to blending belief systems.... Hate those pesky misplaced modifiers! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: mousethief Date: 11 Jun 02 - 03:19 PM I think we must distinguish between what advertising portrays (and I lump all television shows and movies into "advertising") and what people really do in their real lives. I just read about a survey done with college women who were first measured for self-esteem (however one does that) and then looked at pictures either of models or pictures of colleagues and then were again asked questions designed to guage their self-esteem. The ones who looked at svelte models showed no decrease in self-esteem; the ones who looked at svelte colleagues did. Not sure what this proves, but it is suggestive that some people (some college women, anyway) are able to distinguish between advertising and reality. Now if there were some way to make people happy with themselves and not compare themselves to others, I would surely force-feed it to my daughter. Alas, there doesn't seem to be a quick and easy cure. So one continues the slow process of affirming her whenever and wherever one can. Being a parent isn't for wimps. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: mousethief Date: 11 Jun 02 - 03:19 PM Blending belief systems: a hairy buddha. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Gamine Date: 11 Jun 02 - 03:30 PM ahh yes...thanks for clearing up the syncretism bit! And yes, I would say it was!!! :-) Neat info. on the college study. Interesting stuff. Our minds are so wonderfully weird. The way we process self image is strange and fascinating..and scary, especially if you are a parent. I wonder: Do parent's of boys have to do the same with their kids as parent's of girls. Is it the same but different? I imagine that boys have just as much of a need for affirmation (Read REAL BOYS,the male version of SURVIVING OPHELIA), but maybe in different ways? hmmmm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: rangeroger Date: 11 Jun 02 - 03:51 PM All I can say is that I'm built for comfort not for speed. rr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Midchuck Date: 11 Jun 02 - 04:01 PM Say I got a fat rear end, that's just what I like Say I got a fat rear end, that's just what I like You can't use a tackhammer to drive a railroad spike! - Dick McCormack Peter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Steve Latimer Date: 11 Jun 02 - 04:06 PM According to Taj Mahal "Big Legged Mamas Are back In Style Again". However given Carols' choices, I'd have to say that I would take door number 1. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Herga Kitty Date: 11 Jun 02 - 05:05 PM Over the years I've always had an hour-glass figure while progressing (?) from 34DD to 30HH, so dancing Cotswold Morris has always been out of the question, for aesthetic and centre of gravity reasons. Not being able to buy underwear at M&S, and having to trek to Oxford Street (Selfridges etc)is actually a real nuisance. So is finding that bras that defy gravity aren't compatible with sleeveless blouses, decollete dresses, or even T-shirts. (Strapless dresses, no way). Plus, jeans that fit round the hips are too big round the waist. Still, we weren't born to fit the clothes, they are supposed to be made to fit us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: DougR Date: 11 Jun 02 - 05:21 PM Yep, Sinsull, I caught it, and thought to myself, damn clever! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Gloredhel Date: 11 Jun 02 - 05:33 PM I'm ok with not being a size 6 (American sizes), but even the size 12 clothes seem to be made to fit the size 6 body type! (i.e. no hips, small bust) Makes it hard to be trendy. I am convinced that most clothing designers have no contact with real women.
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: mousethief Date: 11 Jun 02 - 05:36 PM Who wants to be trendy?
"Fashion is rich people waving at the door" Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: Gamine Date: 11 Jun 02 - 05:36 PM Thread creep UGH! I hate that whole: if the jeans actually fit my hips and ass they are HUGE around the waist. Strangely enough, my husbands old jeans do the trick just great, though don't ask me how. Just so you gals out there know, Levi's offers a tailor made to order jean! I am serious. It is called the Personal Pair. You go to a Levi's outlet and get your measurements taken, pick your style and they send it off to cyberland to be made for you. It is about 10-20 bucks more expensive, but may be worth it! Just a suggestion. Sorry about the creep, folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? From: GUEST Date: 11 Jun 02 - 05:40 PM Huggin' and a-chalkin' and check the 'DT' for "If I Cold Shimmy Like My Sister Kate" |