BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 06:03 PM

Strangers don't tell strangers they have attractive jiggles because they risk getting slapped or responded to with the phrase "Geez - what a dork!" It's a bit too personal. I HAVE walked up to complete strangers and complimented their clothing, hair, tattoos - that sort of thing, but those are all artistic things they had control over.

Friends don't tell friends they have attractive jiggles because of the possibility one or the other might take it a bit too seriously. I've had close male friends for most of my life, and I can't recall any of them ever commenting on my physical attributes seriously. I feel like we're lapsing into a Seinfeld episode...

Jeans DO come in different sizes:
Juniors: Can't squish my legs into them - forget the rest.
Misses: Butt fits great, but the waist cuts off my circulation.
Womens: Can find a waist that's big enough, but there's enough room for my butt, a friend's butt, and a couple of ferrets per thigh.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Morticia
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 06:30 PM

Jeri, I thought you'd given up the ferrets?? It'll only get you talked about, you know!

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 06:42 PM

Morti, I didn't buy those jeans. I couldn't afford feeding the ferrets, and I decided if I wanted weasels in my jeans, I wasn't going to buy them off the rack.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: mousethief
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 06:51 PM

Do weasels wiggle?

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Bert
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 07:13 PM

...She was round in the counter and bluff in the bow
Way hey blow the man down....

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 07:57 PM

The cogent point in my discussion of jeans and how they fit is that if I pick up enough pairs I eventually find some that fit nicely. I am very careful to avoid the type that aren't long enough from waist to crotch so they ride up. Nothing like an involuntary wedgie to make your day an uncomfortable one!

Okay, since people are linking to online images of themselves, I have one that I'm particularly fond of from my library web pages. Scroll down to the images and I'm on the left.

And some friends have posted some old photos, from the late 1970's, in preparation for a reunion of park rangers at Ellis Island. I'm in several, but am most easily identified in the Peter Boyden collection. I'm standing next to Peter, who is wearing three stetsons simultaneously. No more long blonde hair (I like it much better short, it has some body, but that's a different thread. . . ) but I still weigh about the same, perhaps a bit less. It takes a while for this page to load, but the friend who set up the web page will be ecstatic if his counter shows a few more hits!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 08:01 PM

"In the jiggle jaggle mornin' I'll come followin' you..."

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 08:25 PM

If you check out the "how to" books in the photography section of any good book store, you will find specialty "technique" items on a number of categories.

You will find "how to Photograph nudes," becaue it's "artistic" and therefor permissible. (Including male nudes has only recently become truly permissible.) You will not find much of anything in these books about how to choose your model by body type - because if you can handle (not intending any pun) the subject properly - it doesn't really matter.

You will rarely find much of anything on "cheesecake" photography, possibly, although debatably, the only category where the model is as important as the "rendering."

You should find a number of guides to "glamour photography," all of which will make ONE key point - that a good glamour photograph must appeal to women. That's the whole lesson plan in a nutshell.

Fashion models are generally "slender" often to the point of anorexia, because the target "audience" is female. They must be "attractive enough" to be "not distracting," and may even be "sexy" to a point - if that's the kind of stuff they're showing; but they must not be sensual in any sense of the word.

If you look at old-timey female stars of the legitimate movie trade, the majority of them were, in fact, quite "sensual;" (and often quite jiggly?) so that they played a real tight-rope game of being non-threatening by virtue of "having great character" - or were limited to roles where they suffered great tragedies. Think Doris Day, Kim Novak, Debbie Reynolds in the first category, and maybe Anna Magnani in the other.

With the trend in more current movies and TV toward "action" plots where "the girl does everything" (she may have a conscience, but that's not quite the same thing as character) the trend is back to the skinny, non-sensual actress. The extreme example might be Ally McBeal, which would have been nothing but high-dollar smut pornography if Ally had a figure. An "attraction" to one of the "unjigglies" probably is as much "star cult" as sensual.

If what you're really interested in is what attracts guys, it's basically what's inside - especially if what's inside is visible, believable, pure unbridled, single minded lust for your guy. Feed him enough of aphrodesiac ego and he'll want you - no matter what you look like within reason (but cuddly is nice too).

(Visibly lusting for someone else's guy will often make a whole lot of people "not like you," usually - eventually - including the guy.)

Of course - your mileage may vary.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 09:27 PM

Somehow I have the feeling that some of the wily feminine responses in this thread are going to make some poor male forget years of training and once again blurt out the wrong reply to that perenial question "Does this make me look fat?"

I imagine that some of my posts to this thread could look this way. And while I really appreciate all of the kind things that people have been saying about my ass and stuff (thanks for the compliments, those of you who have given them), what I was really trying to do is just to ask people if they could state their preferences without cutting anyone down in the process, since people of all body types are reading this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 01:12 AM

Marilyn Monroe wore what today is size 14. I haven't read about anyone complaining about her jiggles or looks! And Mae West was voluptuous, quite attractive but rather pear-shaped by today's standards. Her self-esteem was in great shape.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: GUEST,DW at work
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 01:14 AM

Doing IT with Allie McBeal would be like sleeping with a stick. I'd be afraid she'd snap in half!

Give me some bounce any day.

DW

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Gamine
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 01:14 AM

Point taken, CarolC (and I *still* think you have an a-ok butt!)

JohnInKansas: You mean they actually let you men see naked women before you wed nowadays?!! (just kidding...I lived there for almost ten years [was married there, too and come to think of it, I really may have been my husband's (ex now) first nudie (is *that* why the marriage didn't last?)]

Wow has this thread become a life of its own!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 01:55 AM

*G* Thanks Gamine. I actually like my butt quite a lot, and those who don't like it can just kiss it!! (Just kidding. Sort of ;-)

I find that there is so much beauty in people of all shapes and sizes. What a sad place the world would be if everyone looked the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 02:35 AM

And when people ask why women are so self conscious about their looks, I would just point to comments like this one...

Doing IT with Allie McBeal would be like sleeping with a stick. I'd be afraid she'd snap in half!

Pretty much all of the cruel comments about appearances on this thread are about women. And they are about women who are thin and women who are large. Is it any wonder when we face this kind of focus on our appearance every day of our lives by so many people, that we tend to focus a lot on this issue ourselves?

I wonder how the guys would feel if we talked about their appearances in the same kinds of terms that some of them are using here in this thread. I'm guessing they wouldn't love it.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 05:05 AM

CarolC - If I say that there's nothing wrong with your butt, does that disqualify me from joining the queue (probably a couple of miles long by now) of all the fellows waiting to kiss it ?

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: GUEST,Gamine
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 05:19 AM

CarolC: Again, point well taken...I hadn't thought of that enough to make it to actual consciousness, but I am sure it rambled around in my subconciousness for awhile, or else I wouldn't have known it struck such a cord.

Never thought of it that way (consciously): that we target the extremes with our sarcasm and our comments (one way or another). I suppose in light of that I should be happy that I am somewhere in the middle...but then, how come it still doesn't feel right?

I just got back from the bar down the street (I was sorta celebrating cause it was my last day of work-work) where I used to go with relative obscurity and sing....but I walked in tonight, after a six month absence or so, to find things had CHANGED! The bartendar is now my estranged best male friends brother whom he doesn't talk to anymore and the place was crowded with "youngsters". I looked around and thought, "These people are NO WAY old enough to drink!" and realized 1) I could no longer be obscure and 2) no one was looking at me anymore....(ok, no one besides Cliff, the red-shirted, khaki wearing, white cowboy-hatted, 55 year old (god, or somebody, bless him) man that wanted to talk to me about NPR all night, that is (and I *did* talk!).

What an eye opener.

What a sobering night...even though the beer flows heavily through my veins (pardon the typos tonight!)

Here is what I noticed in my six month absence from the "bar scene" (and not a very trendy one at that - at least it didn't used to be):

1. Women's (ok, little girl's) tops have plunged into DEEP v's. (which I actually like, cause all of us look good in V necks, even those of us with not very big boobs)

2. The low low low rider pants are in in in. I mean, these pants are sexy! I heard one gal say tonight, "These are not sitting pants; they are only standing pants!" Cause if you sit in them, your buttcrack, and/or undies show(but dang, are they sexy!). They come about an inch above your pubes...about four or so inches below your belly button....oh my!

3. Two words: Tank Tops.

4. Okay, four words: Lace pastel tank tops.

5. I have a new perspective on men/women (especially young ones) after having read this thread (see below)

So here's the new perspective:

The young guys were very caught up in the young girls (as it should be, I guess), but what they REALLY wanted (though sadly, they don't know it yet) was the older gals, the ones that knew what they were doing.

And the young gals were very caught up in the young guys (again, as it should be I guess) but what they REALLY wanted was the older guys, the ones that knew what they were doing....

Hmmmm

What do you think? Too much beer for me tonight, or do I have something here?

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 05:54 AM

Sure Dave. Get in line ;-)

Gamine, I don't generally hang out in bars (too many desperate people... too depressing) so I can't really comment on what goes on in them. What I did to deal with the getting older issue was to have my picture in the Mudcat nearly nude calendar this year and last year. I'm 46 years old. I figured, what better way to thumb my nose at getting older than to pose naked with just my accordion in a calendar for a folk music website. And I was right. It's been great fun so far.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Gamine
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 06:52 AM

Thread Creed Alert, sorta

CarolC: Already do the nude picture thing...I work with a pretty prominent photographer who was actually one of Ansel Adam's friends before he passed away...A couple of my pictures have won a few prizes in some photo contests -whoo hoo. And it *did* help with the 'older' thing.

I don't generally hang in bars either...but I find this particular one good to study in (off all things). There is just enough activity and noise to keep part of my (ADD)brain busy while the other part is focused on strange diseases and physiological mechanistic processess, all of which I will forget after August 24th.

To get back to jiggles, though...an interesting observation from my night out: there were young women who definitely didn't jiggle, or if they did it was 'cute' jiggles and then there were much older (than I) women, who DID jiggle, who were out there whooping it up (sometimes with the much younger guys - although it was in a 'oh-how-cute-is-that-grandma-lady-dancing-with-my-boyfriend-let-me-take-a-picture' kind of way), but there was nothing in-between, and in-between jiggle wise too, (like ME age). Am I in some sort of 2nd 13 year old adolescence, only I know a LOT more now?

Where are all the in-betweeners hanging out?

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Gamine
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 06:54 AM

creed = creep

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Kim C
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 10:00 AM

Alex, weasels wiggle but they don't fall down.

Gamine, see my previous post about the ice-blue velvet jeans.

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 01:42 PM

I'm built for comfort, I ain't built for speed -- and the Beloved and I do so enjoy jigglin' the night away! Two points -- I'm really pissed off, 'cos I can't access CarolC's butt. I just get a message telling me to try again in a few minutes (I guess it's just getting too many hits). Secondly I've never come across (oo-er) any of them new-fangled plastic boobs, and I wouldn't want to 'cos they don't jiggle -- and where's the fun in that? All power to you ladies -- you jiggle yours and I'll jiggle mine...

BJ

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 01:57 PM

Bottom line: Thank God for sexual reproduction! Yeee-haw!

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 02:00 PM

Ya' know, there have been a lot of chances for jokes in this thread, but I ain't really into it......Maybe I'm just gettin' old or something, but I honestly could give a shit less to be quite truthful. I really dunno' when it was that I quit paying much attention to anything regarding looks, but it was a long time back.

Karen has gone from 150 to 230 to 135 to 250 and in all of it, I really don't see her in any of those ways. I still "see" the woman who fascinated me by her conversation (even though she says she's a lousy conversationalist and was nervous), the girl I wanted to marry fom the moment we met. After years of being together, when I think of "Karen" in my mind, I see the eyes and hear the voice of those many nights together in happiness and also those nights in hospitals where all I had to latch onto was the sound of her voice and I could read the situation by the look in those eyes. She's the greatest thing that ever happened to me and if she's wearing whatever it is at whatever weight it is, she still looks fine to me.

Sorry to interrupt....carry on.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Kim C
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 02:05 PM

Careful there, Spaw, yer showin yer sweet human side again. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: MMario
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 02:26 PM

*sniff,sniff* dang it 'spaw - you made me leak 'round the eyeballs!

If you've ever seen those two together - you would know 'spaw ain't blowin anything out his south end on this either -

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 02:41 PM

Spaw is ALWAYS blowing something out his south end.

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 03:13 PM

Hey Gamine. Congratulations on your pictures winning prizes. Just goes to show we don't have to take getting older lying down! (Or whatever ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Kim C
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 05:42 PM

Speaking of jiggles and blowing and south ends, reminds me of a story.

My friend's brother is a high school teacher in Mississippi. One day he was teaching class, and at an appropriate point, asked if there were any questions. One student raised her hand.

"Mr. Craddock," she said, "when you poot, do your cheeks clap?"

Now, I have never heard this story anywhere else, so I don't think it's an urban myth. But maybe it ought to be!

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 06:58 PM

CarolC said "I wonder how the guys would feel if we talked about their appearances in the same kinds of terms that some of them are using here in this thread. I'm guessing they wouldn't love it."

I think this is a BIG reason why some guys are talking about not liking certain body shapes without guilt: guys don't really think it's that big a deal. They don't see why women can get upset because they wouldn't. There are guys who run Mudcat and are named Max who have absolutely no butt whatsoever. When told he had no butt, he batted his eyelashes and smiled. I suspect it doesn't bother him much that some women like butts on men. Hell, guys with beer guts and boobs walk around without shirts, and they're happy. Guys show off scars, they don't try to hide them. You tell a guy his butt crack is showing, and he's likely to either 1) pull up his pants, or 2) say something like "oh," and NOT pull up his pants. (There's probably a 3rd, where they guy drops trou and says something like "Well, there's my entire ass - anything else you're interested in?" Too frightening to think about - expecially if you're in church or at a restaurant when it happens.) Tell me the same thing, and I'll faint from embarrassment. Well, I would have a few years ago, but I'm learning.

We're all attracted to different sorts of physical features (often simply because they're attached to a great person), and expecting all of mine appeal to every guy out there and not actually turn some completely off is unrealistic. I'm preparing my self esteem to deal with aging. Everything eventually falls apart, and I'd just as soon not have the inevitable sags, jiggles, wrinkles, etc, be MY problem. I'm getting them, but I don't have to obsess about them.

A person may dislilke like skinny butts on prospective love interests. They might dislike red hair, big feet, the way someone walks, their vertical or horizontal size - all sorts of things. Other people will be attracted to those same features. And personally, none of those things matter one bit in someone I'd simply like to get to know.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 07:09 PM

I think you're probably missing an important distinction about what I'm saying Jeri. I don't see any harm in people stating their preferences. And I don't think I have said anything in any of my posts to this thread that would indicate otherwise. I am talking specifically about people saying cruel things about the body types they don't prefer. Here's an example of what I'm talking about...

I'm not into the gross flaps of flesh that some people crave. I like to be able to get my arms around at least 2/3s of a woman, and I don't want to have to be digging around for ages trying to find the target.

This sort of thing seems unnecessarily hurtful to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 08:09 PM

I don't care for extremes in either direction. Personality, sense of humor, wittiness and a pleasant speaking voice are so much more important.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 08:13 PM

Carol, yeah, I missed the important distinction. Your example is the only comment I saw as cruel, but it sounded like you were talking about a bunch of comments so I thought you were talking about the "I don't like __________ physical feature(s) because __________" comments as being the cruel ones. My mistake.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 08:14 PM

Well, I just found out that the link to my butt is no more. PhotoLoft has closed for business. Sorry Bullfrog. Bummer, eh?

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: GUEST,DW at work
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 12:44 AM

Sorry, didn't realise I'd upset people in giving my personal opinions which is what the original posting asked for.

If you don't want personal opinions, don't ask the question.

CarolC, if you have a problem with me, or my opinions which are the only ones you've quoted, why not just up and say it.

I'm just a normal guy with maybe few too many pounds on board for some people's taste. I do have a butt, I spend quite a lot of my working life on it, with no chance to change. I don't like making love with skinny women, and I don't like doing it with grossly overweight women. If you look at some websites, there are people out there who would screw the Michelin Man if they could. The question asked for my opinion and I'm sorry if you don't like it. If you have such a big problem with it, maybe my bud Beardyman can help.

DW

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 12:54 AM

I don't have a problem with you DW. The quotes of yours that I used were not the only ones that illustrated what I was trying to say. But I felt that they did illustrate what I wanted to say the most clearly.

You're certainly entitled to have your opinions about whom you find yourself attracted to (or don't). And I certainly can't prevent you from posting offensive or hurtful comments to illustrate what you want to say about your opinions.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 07:12 AM

Talk about creep ! The original post addresses, "... I have surmised that most of them prefer (to sleep with, cuddle with, be with) women with a bit of meat on their bones, and by that I mean 'jiggly', even though most of those same male friends prefer (on their arm in public, in magazines, walking by on the street) to LOOK at women who do not jiggle, or jiggle very little."

I'll say it again. Anna Kournikova - no. Jennifer Capriotti - yes. Lindsay Davenport - yes. Martina Hingas - yes, oh gosh yes.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 12:59 PM

Ah well Carol, but I can dream can't I?

BJ

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Gamine
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 02:04 PM

DW: You stated: "If you don't want personal opinions, don't ask the question"

And I just wanted you to know that *I* posted the original question and I *don't* have any problem with any opinions thus far, including yours.

((I also see/saw Carol's point,too, though.)) God, I feel like a politician! :-)

Someone earlier suggested that I restate the original question, which still hasn't fully been answered to my satisfaction, mostly cause I did a shitty job asking for what I was *really* after the first time around [go figure a woman having a hard time doing that!] it was this:

"Here's the question: Do men (and women for that matter) have a 'jiggle' preference? I mean, I have heard my male friends say (and I think it is stolen from Pulp Fiction? or some movie like that): It is a shame that what looks good to the eyes does not always feel good to the touch."

I then went on to clarify further(since most people answered that question pretty well):

"I am interested in the WHY's of these discrepencies (we, collectively in society, saying one thing, but most of us really preferring to BE with something very different)...is there some sort of mechanism for our desires and preferences? Is there some sort of evolutionary trend? Is it all just what society throws at us?"

Here's the point, people. I think most of us, myself included, go through life on autopilot and we rarely spend time thinking about WHY we think, do, feel, act the ways that we do. *WHY* do most people prefer to be with others that are slightly jiggly in the long run, but would tend to *not* necessarily drool over that same person if they saw them (sight unseen) at a bar or grocery store? Look, I understand that we develop love over time, and get to know the person underneath the jiggles, etc. I get that. What I don't get is if we all get that then how come nothing is changing overall in society on the whole? If 100, or 600, or 1,000 of us began a little society and we all talked about this subject, our little society would probably have very different 'rules' of LOOKING/HAVING than this one does, and if that is true for a small community (like this one even) then how come we don't see a change in our big community? How come I still see every man's (and woman's) eyes follow a super slim attractive woman as she enters a room, whereas the jiggly woman (not FAT, just average jiggly) is promptly ignored? Ditto for when a man walks into a room...

*WHY?*

And I am NOT saying we shouldn't LOOK, or that it is wrong that we do (I do it all the time). I am just trying to raise the level of consciousness a bithere. Most of the responses to this thread have been GREAT and INFORMATIVE...I just wish we could get a bit deeper and ask the harder question. I want to throw out a bit of healthy doubt. Where are the big strokes, or are the little strokes just too little still.

Question Everything!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 02:34 PM

I've been watching this thread with interest (and a whole lot of laughs), so here's a "deep" bit.

My wife used to jiggle quite nicely but has been anorexic now for many years, thin as a rake and weak as hell. Whenever I hear anyone (male or female) complaining about their weight, size, shape, whatever, I always say something like - be what you are and enjoy it, if you like yourself everyone else will like you for yourself.

Keep smiling and keep on jiggling!

Pete

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 03:14 PM

I think we should start a new thread. This one is getting waaaaaay to heavy, so to speak.

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 03:16 PM

TOO heavy. Not "TO" but "TOO."

Always prufreed.

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 03:30 PM

Gamine, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think the problem is more because of where you live than it is a general societal problem.

You live in California, right? I bet if you went to a bar in the Canadian maritimes (and quite likely any number of other places in Canada), you would get an entirely different response than what you've been getting there where you are. I know several men from/in the Canadian maritimes, like our fine friend gnu here, and they seem to prefer women to be much more rounded than what is seen as the ideal in California. I think those values really differ from place to place.

Here in the US, I have spent my whole life feeling a little too jiggly. When I was in Canada visiting friends a little over a year ago, I felt too skinny for the first time in my life. And was I suprised. I had never expected I would experience being considered too skinny.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 04:16 PM

WE have a room for you Gamine at the Neil Young Center for the Terminally Screwed where Dr. Cajones can help you through your problems. Tiples and Noseflutes are provided as well as gowns, towels, shampoo, and sedation. So just get aboard the Insanevac chopper when it arrives and you'll be getting past the 4th and 5th tier thinking in no time!

Spaw, CEO
NYCFTTS

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 05:07 PM

NOSEFLUTES?! Man, obviously I left too soon. When did you start giving out noseflutes? Can I come back?

PS the tiple there is lousy.

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: Gamine
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 06:39 PM

*grin* Spaw, I will be right over: But I must warn you, along with being terminally screwed, I have an INSANE passion for noseflutes! Can I bring my own, or do I have to use yours? ;-)

CarolC: good point, about it being a local thing. Could be true. Before I lived in Ca (which is very recently, timewise) I grew up in Michigan, lived for almost ten years in Kansas, and spent more summers than I care to count in all parts of Canada (my dad is from there) - windsor, london, edmonton, saubo, all along superior, athabasca (anyone heard of *that* place?), toronto... I don't remember a GREAT difference between places I've been/lived. True, here in CA people tend to be pretty body focused, though I would say more down south (LA) than up here.

And, like we talked about before, I don't have a problem with any of this - it just fascinates me and I wondered if it fascinated anyone else. From the size of this thread in such a short time, I am guessing that I am not alone.

Spaw, given that, you may have more visitors to your institution than you care for!

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 07:24 PM

The NYCFTTS hass been around for almost 4 years now and admission is free if you're a 'Catter. Virtually everyone here has spent some time there. It was originally funded by the CIA as a cover for a base training insane tiple squads for world overthrow. The CIA had found that assasination wasn't working out for them.

Cletus was one of the earlier patients there back in the Clinton days which caused some concern from Paw and the Reg Boys.. During this time, Cletus was being de-toxed from his hamsterdance addiction by playing tapes of Enya interspersed with a collection of witty remarks by Strom Thurmond. Knowing thru Katlaughing that the Young Center is a CIA front and training center for CIA world takeover through the use of crazed tiple bands instead of killing squads, you would expect the treatment to be effective and state of the art. Indeed it was, as Cletus was rehearsing with his own tiple band within a week. They were sent to Washington DC to embarass and discredit Libby Dole by making Bob Dole an embarassment to her. The idea was for this crazed tiple band to play the Oscar Mayer Wiener ditty within earshot of Bob and it would cure his Erectile Dysfunction but leave him screaming through Rock Creek Park, in his flapping boxers, shouting,"I got WOOD! It's a WOODY!!" This plan did not come to fruition as at the last moment, fate reared it's head.

Cletus found a place for the band to rehearse for a last time before making a tiple assault on Bob Dole. It was a gardenlike setting in the midst of hundreds of rosebushes which, even dormant, Cletus had always loved. They reminded him of his 5 former wives, all of whom had died in exactly the same way. It seems there lungs had been filled with Sevin dust while using the same defective sprayer. Oddly enough, all of them had recently taken out life insurance with Cletus as the sole beneficiary. After the death of the first, the local sheriff immediately suspected Cletus, but when it came to light that the insurance was for only $500.00, he decided that even ol' Clete wasn't that stupid. Of course, he was new in town then and didn't really KNOW Cletus. With each wife's death, he became more suspicious, but in every case the cheapo life insurance turned him away from Clete. Yeah, it's true, the sheriff ain't exactly J.Edgar Hoover...'course he doesn't cross dress either. But to continue our story, the band began rehearsing the Oscar Mayer tune. They didn't know they were in the Rose Garden of the White House. Even worse, with a mildness to the weather, several windows had been left open a crack to let in the spring breeze.

Inside the Oval office, Bill Clinton, now without both Hilary and Monica was meeting with a few top advisors and close friends and discussing world affairs. Maybe it was the springtime air or maybe the nerve jangling sound of a crazed tiple band...maybe it was both. Suddenly Wild Bill began to hold himself and revert to his Arkansas dialect. Pacing about he shouted, "Shee-yet! Suhbitch I jes' gotta' far offn' a biggun'." An aide trying to restore the conversation said something about Yugoslavia to which Bill responded, "Not only Yes, but Hail Yes!!! I gotta' shooter 'ats 'bout to EX-plode. Yugoslavia, Schmugoslavia, I got some blastin' tuh do!! Fuckin'-A right Bubba!" Hence once again a bungled CIA operation led to changes in history that may not have occured otherwise. The band was immediately sent back to the Young Center in Montana. For most of the way they were secreted away in the trunk of a car belonging to a Joe somebody who left the DC area last weekend heading west.

Meanwhile, Paw's pacing had been halted by the appearance of three strangers, somewhat goofy looking guys who had stopped here to inquire about Paw's whereabouts. I sent them on down to the wastewater plant and they immediately struck some kind of chord within Paw. This was unusual since they were what Paw always refers to as "Furriners." They introduced themselves as Rick Fielding's brothers...Reg, Reg, and Reg. Turns out that they'd been hoping to strike a deal with Paw and Cletus to combine for a North and South operation to fleece the unsuspecting of their goods. Paw and Cletus through deer hunting "accidents" and Reg, Reg and Reg through ice fishing "slips." Paw must have thought this was what their previously failed business needed and off they went to retrieve Cletus from the Young Center. It was my fear then that these dimbulbs would become CIA recruits for a crazed tiple band and I put out an alert for all points west to watch out for them. Now here I shoulda' known better. I hesitate to call them a band of half-wits since between them they have less than half a wit. Anyway, this half-wit band left town without a word to anyone. You'd think the sun or the roadsigns would have clued them in, but they were actually heading east. I guess they were just walking along and planning how to spend their future riches. They were passing through Wheaton, Maryland, just outside of Washington, DC, when they asked for directions at the home of a guy named Bill carrying an autoharp. This guy seemed to be appalled at the sight of these four and not only told them that Montana was 2000 miles the other way, but what usually happened to assholes like them 300 years ago...and to get the hell off his property NOW!!!

So west they headed and of course they were tryin to lay blame on each other. Reg said it was Paw at fault, but Reg said it wasn't and then Reg said just to leave Paw out of it, but Paw says to Reg that he didn't know either and Reg says that Reg is an idiot and Reg says that Reg is an idiot and Paw says that Reg is right but Reg says Paw is full of it and Reg says that Reg............Well I guess this kinda' thing went on to about Frederick. At that point they all suggested that the others didn't have the sense to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel. Whereupon they all sat down on a railroad track and took their boots off only to discover that NONE of them had instructions. This lightened things up and they began to talk about the best way to pour piss out of a boot. So they decided to try out their ideas and they all stood up and began whizzing into their boots. Their aim was helped by the illumination from the headlight of a Norfolk-Southern freight bearing down upon them. It was then that a local TV news van happened upon this scene of four guys pissing in their boots with a fast freight coming at them and began filming the spectacle. Also a police car arrived and the officer screamed for them to move, which thankfully they did...but their boots were carried off by the diesel. They were placed under arrest for indecent exposure and criminal stupidity. I got a call from the police and figured since they had no money and no boots I could go pick them up before they did anymore harm to themselves. But the TV station paid their bail and bought them each a new pair of boots and sent them on their way. The TV people figured they were in for several major awards with the footage they'd shot so money for bail and boots was a pittance.

That was a long time ago and a lot has happened since but as you can see, the treatment does work as long as it's the right treatment.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: open mike
Date: 19 Jun 02 - 05:06 AM

I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE ARE SO MANY POSTS ON THIS TOPIC-- I ALSO CAN'T BELIEVE MINE IS ONE OF THEM-- BUT MY MAIN THOUGHT, AS A FEMALE READER HERE-- IS WHO CARES IF A PERSON DOES JIGGLE HIGH OR JIGGLE LOW?

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 02 - 06:25 AM

Jiggle low ?

There once was a gigolo who was fat, So he couldn't quite get to where it's at, When faced with disgrace, He graced with his face, And now he's well paid for that.

Sorry. I don't know how that happened. Haven't had my tea yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 02 - 06:35 AM

Yup. Officially not responsible. Made a pot of tea twenty minutes ago... forgot the tea bags.

Subject: RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 19 Jun 02 - 11:12 AM

Do chaps have a jiggley tummy because of the ale? I met a man at my counter the other day who said he could drink all the ale he liked and never seemed to put any weight on at all. I said the breweries ought to use him in some way to GM their beer! Just imagine, a beer that won't make you put on a pot!