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MAIDS WHEN YOU'RE YOUNG NEVER WED AN OLD MAN


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Subject: falorum and dingdorum
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 02:59 PM

Has anyone seen these terms used in a trad song? What is their derivation?

- LH


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: PeteBoom
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 03:07 PM

As in "Maids When You're Young (Never Wed An Old Man)"?

"... He's lost his falorum; He's got no dingdorum - Maids when you're young never wed an old man."

That?

Pete


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Art Thieme
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 03:20 PM

Ah, alas, so sad, but, also, so true. (*)


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: RichM
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 03:41 PM

The anwswer obviously, is falorum-agra.


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: The Pooka
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 06:00 PM

In DT Maids When You're Young

But, their derivation?? Hm. Calling all 'Catscholars. Expertise needed on The Falorum Dingdorum Thread.


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 07:06 PM

"Falorum" is the genitive plural of the Latin "phallus" and should be more correctly spelled "phallorum".

"Dingdorum" is the genitive plural of the Latin "dingdus" which transmuted over the centuries to the the more modern "dong".

Of course, it is immediately obvious to any Latin scholar than the use of the genitive plural case is grammatically wrong, and that the line in "Maids WHen You're Young" should read
"He's got no phallum, he's lost his dingdum"
(ie. the accusative singular case would have been more correct. Does that answer your question, Little Hawk?

Murray


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: The Pooka
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 07:32 PM

Uh...yeah, does it?? Now, is this (ahem) straight, or a phallusy perpetrated by a cunning linguist? There's a vas deferens y'know. J'accusative! (Hey, wazoo I know?)


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 08:00 PM

Excellent answer, Murray. The case is solv-ed, if I may quote Inspector Clouseau.

- LH


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 08:54 PM

"dingdus" which transmuted over the centuries to the the more modern "dong".

...gives lots of new meaning to "Ding, dong, the witch is dead" ....or maybe it doesn't


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: GUEST,ozmacca
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 10:07 PM

And I was going to add "Ding dong dell / Pussy's in the well" but I don't think I will......


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: The Pooka
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 10:09 PM

HAHAHA glad you didn't, Oz.


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 01:52 AM

Such repartee when fellahs start talking about members! Great answer, Murray!

I had thought the fal o'rum had something to do with being inebriated in the Carribean, though.{*_*}


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 04:38 AM

Does this mean we're a members-only fallorum now?

KRis


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: ozmacca
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 05:46 AM

... and isn't it "Johnie O' Braideslie (in one version or another) that has the line, "... tae ding the dun deer doon..." Make what you like out of that!


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Noreen
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 07:59 AM

This of course is nothing to do with the derivation of the refrain in Droylsden Wakes: threedywell, threedywell, dan dum dill doe...


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Trevor
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 12:41 PM

Isn't there something that has a 'doo me am dingeram a doo me am a doo' in it? If you see what I mean!


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: The Pooka
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 01:07 PM

Whack fol the Diddle o the Didoe dee. --General Perverse Musharingum


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 02:04 PM

Out here in the Wild West it's more like Whoop-tee-do dang bulldum stepnut tootie


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 02:12 PM

Now, is this (ahem) straight, or a phallusy perpetrated by a cunning linguist? There's a vas deferens y'know. The Pooka

Ya know.............Pooka...........you fecking pile o' catshite.........you have been around here long enough, lad, to know the rules.........Give us aul twits a bit of a warning.......y'know, the "whatever liquid you are drinkin in the sinuses" type of thing........you prick................LOL.

A wonderful bit of wordplay...........I am sure brither Thieme will be proud of you..........hahahahahaha

Mick


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: The Pooka
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 04:11 PM

Big Mick ya Dick Lick: May yer pig never grunt, may yer cat never hunt, may a ghost ever h'ant you at dead of the night, may yer hens never lay, may yer horse never neigh, may yer goat fly away like an ould paper kite...heeheehee thankee sir. Though still feeling MudAdolescent, I guess I been around here long enuff to get faux-flamed finally, & yez DID it fer me! T'anks! / Among other things, The Mudcat is a fine School of Pun-gency. I have benefitted. // (Tickled Pink, Pooka disappears down gerbiltunnel: Romancing the Hamster.)

PS: re musha ringum duram da etc.: "The words were dirty." - Tommy Smothers


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 11:55 PM

We wouldn't want to miss this gem:

Thread #48201   Message #723609
Posted By: Aidan Crossey
05-Jun-02 - 12:03 PM
Thread Name: SONG CHALLENGE! - Part 82
Subject: RE: SONG CHALLENGE! - Part 82

Told from the perspective of the participants ? a parody of that oul' come-all-ye "Maids When You're Young, Never Wed An Oul' Man".

WHORES WHEN YOU'RE YOUNG NEVER TRICK AN OUL' JOHN

Two oul' fellas rang our phone, hey ding doorum dye
Two oul' fellas rang our phone, we being young
Two oul' fellas rang our phone, we're feeling so alone
Whores when you're young never trick an oul' john

CHORUS
Cos he's got no faloorum fal diddle eye ooorum dye
He's got no faloorum fal diddle eye aye
He's got no faloorum, he's lost his ding doorum
Whores when you're young never trick an oul' john

They were grizzled and wrinkly, hey ding doorum dye
Grizzled and wrinkly, we being young
Grizzled and wrinkly, creased-up and crinkly
Whores when you're young never trick an oul' john

CHORUS

Their bits like a chicken's neck, hey ding doorum dye
Their bits like a chicken's neck, we being young
Their bits like a chicken's neck, stubbly and pink and slack
Whores when you're young never trick an oul' john

CHORUS

Fidgetting, fumbling, hey ding doorum dye
Fidgetting, fumbling, we being young
Fidgetting, fumbling, doddering, bumbling
Whores when you're young never trick an oul' john

CHORUS

When they had had their way, hey ding doorum dye
When they had had their way, we being young
When they had had their way, straight off to sleep went they
Whores when you're young never trick an oul' john

CHORUS

When they went to sleep, hey ding doorum dye
When they went to sleep, we being young
When they went to sleep, out of bed we did creep
Robbed every penny and off we did run!

We found their faloorum fal diddle eye ooorum dye
We stole their faloorum fal diddle eye aye
We nicked their faloorum, we took their ding doorum
Robbed every penny and off we did run!


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: okthen
Date: 30 Nov 03 - 06:06 AM

I don't suppose anyone could work George Best into the above song?

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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: okthen
Date: 30 Nov 03 - 06:08 AM

Best Boosted


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 03:13 AM

First jingle my auld Faither ever taught me--
"Auld Missus Hunt had a huddy punt--
Not a huddy punt , but a hunt punt cuddy".
never try it at the Church Social, or when even slightly drunk in polite company---


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 07:16 AM

I don't think the dingus explanation can be right, for the last verse goes "I found his falourum, he's got my dingdourum", which would make the dingdourum female. Unless of course "dingus" (=thing) can be applied, although masculine, to feminine things as well without modification. My Latin does not go that far.


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: GUEST,Wren
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 11:21 AM

Hey is the Maids When You're Young...... an Irish tune? Where did it come from? I heard it on holidays and I thought it was teh funniest thing ever. Does anyone know where I can hear a recording of it other than the one on this link.


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Betsy
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 03:31 PM

Surely there could be a new last verse relating to Viagra, but , I can't at this moment find an appropriate rhymning word .


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 03:54 PM

As Pete Seeger sings Maids When You're Young it goes like this:

The repetitive line in each verse is on the patterm of the first verse:

An old man came courtin' me
Fa la-la loodle
An old man came courtin' me
Hi, derry down!
An old man came courtin' me
All for to marry me
Maids, when you're young, never wed an old man


And the next to last verse:

For he had no fa-loodle
Fa la la-la loodle
He had no fa-loodle, a Divil a one!
He had no fa-loodle,
He'd lost his ding-doodle

Oh, maids, when you're young, never wed an old man!


Probably because this is the first version of this song I heard, and thus the way I sing it, I like this better than the "falorum" version discussed above.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 04:51 PM

Irish? Probably not. It seems to have been found most often in tradition in England and Scotland (rather more frequently in the former country, so far as I can tell); also in Canada, Ireland and the USA.

You can see a mid-19th century broadside edition from Harkness of Preston at  Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads:

Never maids wed an old man

Note the "hey down derry down" refrain in the broadside, likely enough the origin of "hey ding a doorum da".


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: alison
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 01:05 AM

I agree with Richard Bridge here

"I found his falourum, he's got my dingdourum"

so either she's a "she with a strap on" or she's really a transvestite who managed to fool her hubby and this young bloke into thinking she was a woman!!

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: GUEST,belter
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 01:57 PM

Do people refuse to see the ovious? The context clearly shows dingdourum to be arousal, get up and go, randienes, or to put it bluntly, orgasmic function.


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Lighter
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 03:38 PM

The great Scot Jeannie Robertson (O.B.E.) recorded this in the '60s.


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 06:11 AM

I was just wondering if "cunning linguist" is derived from a similar
sounding latin word. After all, it's all about getting your tongue
around things!


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 06:35 PM

Exactly.

Richard Lederer, that great writer on language subjects, wrote a funny book about language, and entitled it The Cunning Linguist, but his publisher wouldn't allow him to use that title, and he had to name it something else (I forget what).

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Artful Codger
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 11:43 AM

"Maids, When You're Young" was also recorded by Sam Larner on Now Is the Time for Fishing, first released in 1961.


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:58 AM

Who rang your dingdorum, mate?
Let's see - Halliburton, Goldman Sachs... Sure, that's the company we folkies like to keep...


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Joe_F
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:07 PM

"Dingus", according to the OED, comes from Dutch via Afrikaans; from the quotations it seems that the plural dinges got transmogrified into mock Latin. But the OED is unaware that it also has the specialized meaning "dildo".

It is true that by & large, in IndoEuropean languages, grammatical gender is correlated with sex, but there are many exceptions, and there is no difficulty in applying a masculine noun to the female organ. Indeed, the actual vulgar Latin word, "cunnus", was masculine; and contrariwise the vulgar word for penis, "mentula", was feminine! One can imagine philologists arguing all night about that.

Slang words that can apply to both male and female genitals are rare, but "will" is an example in Elizabethan English; Shakespeare punned on it elaborately in one of his sonnets.


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: GUEST,Dodger
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 06:26 AM

I think its about a runaway Haggis as in the song, eat the rich


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Cuilionn
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 09:37 AM

Och, whit a grand bit o craic! Ah love the thocht o a hantle o hielan lasses, rinnin roond beltin oot their Latin...

...an ane says tae anither, "Hah! Conjugate THAT!"

On a relatit subject, dinnae ken whilk album, but there's a recordin o "Auld Maid in the Garret" wi this endin on the final chorus: "...if Ah cannae get a man, Ah can aye use a carrot!" Jist aboot made me spit oot ma tea wi blythe amusement!

Och! What will those traditional sangsters think up next?!?


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 09:58 AM

On a relatit subject, dinnae ken whilk album, but there's a recordin o "Auld Maid in the Garret" wi this endin on the final chorus: "...if Ah cannae get a man, Ah can aye use a carrot!" Jist aboot made me spit oot ma tea wi blythe amusement!>>>

That was how Robin Hall used to sing it? Was the record his?


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Cuilionn
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 10:07 AM

Nae... some braw Scots lass wi a fine beltin voice... Cannae reca it jist noo but Ah'll luik thro ma albums later.


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: LindsayCurran
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 10:01 AM

"Hi all,

it seems pretty cool here

hopefully i can participate in some lively discussions here!

i hope i get to know you all soon!"

If a beautiful and talented young maid is doing what I hope should be a-doing this week and many a week to come...he's got plenty of falorum and dingdorum.

All these years I've been looking up lyrics so earnestly and diligently in the Great Mudcat I haven't laughed so hard in many a year.

"Now, is this (ahem) straight, or a phallusy perpetrated by a cunning linguist? There's a vas deferens y'know. The Pooka

Ya know.............Pooka...........you fecking pile o' catshite.........you have been around here long enough, lad, to know the rules.........Give us aul twits a bit of a warning.......y'know, the "whatever liquid you are drinkin in the sinuses" type of thing........you prick................LOL.

A wonderful bit of wordplay...........I am sure brither Thieme will be proud of you..........hahahahahaha

Mick

Blessings on ye, one and all!


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 05:27 AM

don't ask me - lost mine years ago


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 30 Apr 11 - 08:26 AM

As Pete said definitely in the Irish song Never Wed An Old Man. Someone told me once that the Faloorums and diddly ey doo's etc began in Irish music, where most tunes were written to jig and reel dances and where a word or line didn't fit or couldn't be thought of, the tradition of making up these funny little refrain notes began, wack for me doorum diddly aye doo to you all


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Subject: RE: falorum and dingdorum
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 30 Apr 11 - 06:31 PM

My version of a previously mentioned tongue-twister is:

Mrs Hunt had a cuddy-punt
Not a Hunt-punt-cuddy but a cuddy-punt-Hunt

with reference to the 'Trump' thread,:

Three smart fellows felt smart

I used to know several others, which when you said them quickly could cause amusement or embarrassment!!!

And regarding the 'faloorum / dingdoorum 'old men canny get it up' discussion, the original version of the Robert Burns song 'John Anderson My Jo' sums the situation up extremely well (tho you have to understand Scots to fully appreciate the meaning!)

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