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Subject: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: GUEST,Wordless Woman
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 02:23 PM

I just read in the newspaper that "Britain's love affair with the sandwich is growing as the average person munches their way through 155 butties a year…"

I know about bacon butties. And once during an evening meal in a pub in Devon my traveling companion put some chips on a piece of bread, folded it over, and began to eat. The barman, walking by, exclaimed "A chip buttie! I haven't seen one in ages." Then the two of them fell into a reverie of butties past.

My question: What makes a sandwich a buttie? Or is buttie simply a pet name for a sandwich?


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Mr Red
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 02:39 PM

A butty is a narrowboat without an engine and a buttie is a sandwich with unspecified contents. Hence the need for adjectival filling, eg chip buttie - crisp buttie, ketchup buttie.
d8-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: MMario
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 02:54 PM

does a sandwich have a specified filling? I'm confused. But then again I grew up in Sandwich (Massachusetts) so I guess I have a right to be confused.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: CraigS
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 03:09 PM

When Lord Sandwich invented the sandwich he put a piece of beef between two slices of bread so that he didn't have to stop playing cards to eat. Strictly speaking, a sandwich does not use buttered bread, and a buttie is a sandwich with buttered bread. This may not seem a significant difference nowadays, but during WW II when rationing was in force a buttie was a real treat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 03:12 PM

At a concession stall at Towersey this weekend, the poor chef was asked for a bacon buttie, a bacon cob, sosij inna bun, a sausage bap and a fried egg sarnie, in quick succession.... truly a meeting of north and south!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: MMario
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 03:13 PM

the kids from Shrewsbury always told us it was actually the Duke of Shrewsbury that invented it and the Earl only stole the idea - but heck - who wants to eat a jam shrewsbury?


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 05:03 PM

Shrewsburys are biscuits (cookies) anyway.

And you can get jam shrewsburies... just put two together with some jam.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Gareth
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 05:30 PM

Errr Butty (Swelsh Dialect) a trusted and honoured friend (abrevieation "But'" Also Butty = Sandwich of the trasditional kind. A bit of thick bread folded over a filling.

On the Menue of the Royal Oak - Ystrad Mynach "Tuna and Mayonaise sandwich," "Chip Butty", "Chip Butty with Curry Sauce."

We can safely assumne that a butty is not cut into triangles, with the crusts cut off.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: artbrooks
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 06:03 PM

Is a butty normally "folded over" a filling? A sandwich (in the States, at least) is normally 2 pieces of bread with a filling in between.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 06:07 PM

A butty is a bit more working-class, the bread is a bit thicker, and less likely to be granary or wholemeal. A butty is not likely to contain avocado or similar effete fillings.

Just where one leaves off and the other begins is a matter of personal taste, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 06:35 PM

So sandwiches made from sliced Boston Butt pork roast would be Butt Butties!

(Yeah, it's not PC and it's in bad taste, but with Spaw not wanting to hang around here somebody's gotta do it.)

Bruce


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: pavane
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 03:29 AM

Gareth, Mrs Pavane had a gig in Ystrad Mynach recently. Never been there before.

I presume there is no such thing as an 'open buttie', nor a 'club buttie'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Trevor
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 05:02 AM

And the truckers greasy spoon on the A5 just past Oswestry is called 'The Bwty Box'. (Waiting for the Welsh lesson!!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: alison
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 05:55 AM

I always reckonned that what made it a buttie was that the hot contents, like chips or bacon, made the butter ooze out the ends and drip over your fingers........ mmmmmmmm

that reminds me I haven't had a chip buttie in ages.....

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: awig
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 06:40 AM

Bap, cob, bun?? I suppose you're refering to a Batch.

Now a chip batch.....

:-)

Andrew (Coventry)


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Subject: LYR ADD- The Bacon Butty by Fred McCormick
From: Mr Happy
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 08:27 AM

here's a song about a butty:

The Bacon Butty (written by Fred McCormick)

When sorry winds it's weary cause
And all of life seems blighted,
When misery turns out in force
And troubles stand united,
When sordid truths, needs must, unfold
And life seems cheap and smutty,
One crumb of comfort dear I hold,
It's called the bacon butty.
In Soho there are strange females,
Who, for a monarchs ransom,
Would hang you by your fingernails
And flog you something handsome.
With rich rewards to power their whips
'Til flesh be bruised and bloody.
But such delights are quite eclipsed
By the humble bacon butty.
Our police and narcotics squads
Are vigilant as eagles.
Their highly trained Alsatian dogs
See substances illegal.
I'll sing their praises to the sky
While in the form of duty,
But woe be to the dogs who tries
To seize my bacon butty.

And to the ones who daily toil
In sandwich bar and kitchen
To serve in cellophane and foil
Our modest lives enriching.
Well washed and free from gangarine
I bless the tender hand which
Spreads thick, and fast, the margarine,
Upon the bacon sandwich.
In Eden's groves safe and secure,
Adam and Eve were lying.
When beyond the gates they both were lured
By the smell of bacon frying.
Such foolishness condemned mankind
To lives of tortured anguish.
But in Paradise you'll never find
A tasty bacon sandwich.
What though cholesterols clammy grasp
Your arteries may thicken,
And like the viper or the asp
Cause you to waste and sicken.
Your tombstone will proclaim with pride
He's dead and buried, but he
Was once alive and satisfied
By the noble bacon butty.
To propagate the fraternal seed
You will not hear me quibble
If every colour, race and creed
Would share with me a nibble.
In Cantonese or Mandarin,
Or any chosen language,
Come fill your glasses to the brim
And toast the bacon sandwich.

line-breaks added
by a joeclone


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: GUEST,HughM
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 08:32 AM

I thought only chip and bacon butties were sandwiches,and a jam butty was just a slice of bread with jam on it, not necessarily with butter. I think in Glasgow it would be folded into a sandwich and called a "jelly piece".


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 08:51 AM

Bap, Cob, Bun, Batch? Stuff and nonsense. Every body knows it's a Barm; as in "give us a donnoh, but stick it on a Barm". I don't eat many Chip Butties a year but when I do, it must be white bread and Anchor Butter (in sufficiant quantities to make the chips visible through the bread, after sqwoshing). All the best PP.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Ditchdweller
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 01:26 PM

But what about a fried egg banjo?

A fried egg between two slices of bread.

Called a banjo because of the action of your hand after the egg yolk drips down onto your front!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 05:29 PM

I found this in a search: (I could not believe that one man 'invented' putting meat or cheese on bread...it is just too obvious)

"One of the most charming characters in culinary history was John Montague, the 4th Earl of Sandwich. It is known that after the Earl retired from a glorious naval career (among other things, he is credited with having discovered the Hawaiian Islands), he de- voted most of his life to playing cards. It is said that he was so addicted to the pleasures of gambling that he refused to leave the gaming table even for meals. According to a well believed story, it was this habit that led the Earl to teach his servants how to put meat, cheese or other ingredients between two slices of bread and thus created "the sandwich".

This may make for a great story, but the realities of the Earl's life tell us that it could not possibly have been true. Due to a severe wound incurred during a naval battle when he was only 17 years old the Earl had a gastro-intestinal disorder that allowed him to subsist only on liquids. The Earl could not have eaten a sandwich even if he had wanted to.

There is, however remote it may be, a possibility that the Earl actually did contribute to the popularity in England of the creation that even today carries his name. In 1748, the Earl visited France, there to discover that French landowners were responsible by law for providing their field workers with a noontime meal. Because it was convenient for everybody, the most common meal sent out to the fields was made by placing meat, potatoes, vegetables and sauce between two thick slices of bread. Some speculate that the Earl was so impressed by the economy of such meals that on his return to England he began to feed them to his own workers. "


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 07:29 PM

Mr Happy

Thank you so much for the words of Fred's song - I know I've heard Ken Hall sing it, and I'm trying to remember when I heard Fred sing it too (Shrewsbury or possibly Priestweston?).

Kitty


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: GUEST,Nancy King at work
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 07:53 PM

One of my most favorite sandwiches is peanut butter and bacon on toast. Would this be a bacon peanut buttie?


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 30 Aug 02 - 10:26 AM

Most butty fillings require a top slice to keep them i place, but a jam buttie can be open. To get the best out of it, you should use strawberry jam and dig out as many whole strawberries as possible without your mother seeing you, and before your brother can beat you to it. You get extra marks if you use up all the strawbs in the jar. The bread, ideally, should be hand-cut from an unsliced white loaf (brown bread is for cissies and girls), and as thick as is practicable for the size of your mouth: for an open sandwich, two inches is probably a but too much, unless you're a singer. The actual cutting method isn't important. I favour the vertical parallel-sided method, which I'm particulary good at, but if you go for the under-the-arm style, you lose points for cutting off your own nipple, however much it might look like a strawb (unless it's for your brother).

Anyone remember Marlon in the Daily Mirror, with his inch-thick ketchup fillings? Definitely a good one for a crowded tube train, but make sure you have your back to the door and practice your timing.

Steve


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Subject: Add: The Bacon Butty / Bacon Buttie
From: MMario
Date: 30 Aug 02 - 11:13 AM

Tune? tune?

The Bacon Butty
(written by Fred McCormick)

When sorry winds it's weary cause
And all of life seems blighted,
When misery turns out in force
And troubles stand united,
When sordid truths, needs must, unfold
And life seems cheap and smutty,
One crumb of comfort dear I hold,
It's called the bacon butty.

In Soho there are strange females,
Who, for a monarchs ransom,
Would hang you by your fingernails
And flog you something handsome.
With rich rewards to power their whips
'Til flesh be bruised and bloody.
But such delights are quite eclipsed
By the humble bacon butty.

Our police and narcotics squads
Are vigilant as eagles.
Their highly trained Alsatian dogs
See substances illegal.
I'll sing their praises to the sky
While in the form of duty,
But woe be to the dogs who tries
To seize my bacon butty.

And to the ones who daily toil
In sandwich bar and kitchen
To serve in cellophane and foil
Our modest lives enriching.
Well washed and free from gangarine
I bless the tender hand which
Spreads thick, and fast, the margarine,
Upon the bacon sandwich.

In Eden's groves safe and secure,
Adam and Eve were lying.
When beyond the gates they both were lured
By the smell of bacon frying.
Such foolishness condemned mankind
To lives of tortured anguish.
But in Paradise you'll never find
A tasty bacon sandwich.

What though cholesterols clammy grasp
Your arteries may thicken,
And like the viper or the asp
Cause you to waste and sicken.
Your tombstone will proclaim with pride
He's dead and buried, but he
Was once alive and satisfied
By the noble bacon butty.

To propagate the fraternal seed
You will not hear me quibble
If every colour, race and creed
Would share with me a nibble.
In Cantonese or Mandarin,Or any chosen language,
Come fill your glasses to the brim
And toast the bacon sandwich.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: GUEST,Foe
Date: 30 Aug 02 - 11:34 AM

I was driving through Germany a number of years ago and stopped for lunch. We bought some ham "sandwiches" which I guess were ham butties as it was ham and butter on a roll. As a kid in the 40s, people always buttered the bread before they added the inards. That custom seems to have gone out here in the States. My personal favorite, that my Dad taught me to eat, is a raw onion sandwich with katsup. My mouth is watering. Don't eat one if you're going to go be with people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: John J
Date: 30 Aug 02 - 12:11 PM

What's katsup?

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: MMario
Date: 30 Aug 02 - 12:16 PM

katsup, ketchup, catsup.

usually refers to a tomato based condiment - sugared, seasoned and (in the US) used far too frequently (but then again according to our government it counts as a vegetable)


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: GUEST,Wordless Woman
Date: 30 Aug 02 - 02:05 PM

Thanks, all, for clearing up this mystery. A further question. A buttie is spread with butter before being filled and possibly folded over. Is a sandwich spread with any moistener – mustard, perhaps but not butter – before being filled and its second slice of bread placed atop everything? And the cut: diagonal or in halves? I know this is silly but I've been wondering since the Bacon Buttie thread a while back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Aug 02 - 02:16 PM

At 85 years old, my dad's favourite sandwich is still a raw onion with mayonnaise...since butter isn't used as much over here, would that then be an onion mayo? Doesn't have quite the ring of "butty" does it?:-) Maybe "may-ee?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: C-flat
Date: 30 Aug 02 - 02:25 PM

My own understanding is simply that a "buttie" is a "working class" term for anything served in a bun, roll, bap (depending on which part of the country you're in) or between two slices of bread.
The more "sophisticated" members of British society, while still enjoying a buttie, would refer to a filling between two slices of bread as a sandwich and, if it were in a bun of some sort, it would described as a roll.
The class system still thrives in the U.K. and it's in the little things like food terminology that it shows up.
All this typing has made me hungry, I'm off to make meself a chip buttie with lashings of ketchup and a pint mug of tea.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 04 Sep 02 - 03:43 AM

Apparently, posh people in the UK (and for all I know everywhere else) have what, technically, is a form of sandwich. It consists of: bread, cut very thin; buttered (with butter, not marge (not even Stork)) to about twice the thickness of the film of a soap bubble; filled with cucumber, sliced just thick enough for the eater to detect the crunch, but no more; cut into small triangles with the crusts removed. This obviously requires a great deal of skill, but IMO it should be treated as a demonstration of the sandwich-maker's art, like for example an apprentice's master-piece (no pun intended!) which shows that s/he has now acquired all the expertise necessary to join that happy few, the Guild of Sandwich Makers, rather than something simply to be stuffed into the chinless faces of Hooray Henries and Henriettas in the Queen's back garden.

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: rich-joy
Date: 06 Sep 02 - 05:59 AM

It may be just a SLIGHT thread creep, but where I grew up, (in Perth, Western Australia), if we wanted (e.g.) a ham sandwich - no sorry, I'll make that a VEGEMITE sandwich!! - we'd say :
"one round of Vegemite, thanks" and we'd be given 2 pieces of bread-and-butter, liberally spread with Vegemite (i.e. a sandwich).
Therefore if we wanted 2 sandwiches, we'd ask for "two rounds".

However, once I left the West and tried my luck in the BWW (Big Wide World), people looked at me as if I was daft when I asked for a "round" of something!!!

So my question is : does "a round of" meaning "a sandwich", figure anywhere else in the Western World???

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: GUEST,Bagpuss
Date: 06 Sep 02 - 06:02 AM

I use the word "round", but more often applied to toast than sandwiches, for some reason.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: C-flat
Date: 06 Sep 02 - 01:30 PM

The word "round" in context with sandwiches is fairly familiar to me, here in the U.K. but I've no idea why it's used. I think it's generally used to describe one sandwich(2 slices of bread) cut up into four pieces.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: The Walrus
Date: 06 Sep 02 - 06:21 PM

I'll just add another term to the list then.
When I was a kid, a brick between two doorsteps (trans: A thickly cut solid filling, such as cheese, between two thick pieces of white bread cut from a loaf - not pre-sliced bread) was known as a "bad hand" - I've no idea why, except that it could be difficult to hold/eat.

Regards

Walrus


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: GUEST,Just Amy
Date: 06 Sep 02 - 07:48 PM

Where I come from a "round" refers to beverages - as in "Waitress, we'll have another round of vodka shooters over here." This would be followed by the drunken mumblings of "Shay, shweetheart, you all from 'round theze parts."


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Sep 02 - 08:46 PM

Anyone ever done a geographical map indicating where the accepted term is buttie and where it's sarnie?

What do they call them out in Oz?


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 02 - 08:51 PM

It certainly reflects on the..um...diversity tof this Forum to note it suppoorts a conversation 36 posts long in support of the Bacon Sandwich wherever found.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: rich-joy
Date: 06 Sep 02 - 10:46 PM

McGrath, in West Oz, "sarnie" seemed to become popular from my teens onwards (mid 60's). This may have reflected the influx of British migrants to our Communities - who certainly improved the music scene, to say the least!!

Though, as I've only had long-term relationships with Pommies - and not Aussies (despite being a fourth-generation West Aussie!) - perhaps I'm not qualified to comment further???!!! (My partner is from "Buttie Country" - a Scouser!!)

Regarding "round" - that goes for drinks here in Oz too, GUEST,Just Amy.

Cheers! R-J PS Steve, I LOVE Cucumber sandwiches (when they're made "just right")!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 Sep 02 - 05:16 AM

A butty is a bit more working-class, the bread is a bit thicker, and less likely to be granary or wholemeal. A butty is not likely to contain avocado or similar effete fillings.

Interesting that. Once upon a time, it was the upper classes who got the white bread, it being made with flour that was the finest grade, having had all the 'bits' sifted out of it. It was only the lower classes that got the unsifted granary or wholemeal with all the bits (and quite often sweepings) left in.

It seems that the class system in food has reversed totally, because when I was growing up, and even now, brown bread was seen as an expensive treat, and still costs more in the shops. Mind you, that's probably because the majority of economy sliced white @ 19p a large loaf doesn't actually contain any "food" as we would recognise it in its natural state. The corresponding economy brown loaf was 57p.... a difference of 38p for something that traditionally was provided for the masses because it was made of coarser ingredients.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: C-flat
Date: 07 Sep 02 - 05:44 AM

The term "bad hand" that Walrus refers to comes from the fact that such a large, thickly cut sandwich(often known as a doorstep)would make the holder appear, at first glance, to have a large, bandaged or plastered hand.
Always used in a jokey sense; "Have you got a bad hand there lad!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 07 Sep 02 - 07:14 AM

Here in the North west UK, a "round" of bread means one slice. It's mostly used for toast. All the best PP


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 Sep 02 - 04:56 AM

My aunt had an uncanny ability to upend a loaf, cut the crust off, butter the bread then slice it, butter then slice, doing the whole loaf whilst holding a conversation with her mother and brother, watching the children, organising the rest of the meal. Each slice would come out with almost mathematical precision, so it looked machine sliced.

I tried it once, nearly stabbed my grandmother and her budgie, almost took my own eye out and made a wedge that was fully 4 inches thick at the wide end!.

I tend to buy a lot of sliced bread.....

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Noreen
Date: 08 Sep 02 - 10:17 AM

The answer to this question, according to my 10 (very nearly 11) year old daughter, is that a buttie is a snack whereas a sandwich is a meal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Noreen
Date: 08 Sep 02 - 10:22 AM

(While I don't think there's any difference)


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Amos
Date: 08 Sep 02 - 11:29 AM

Gee...glad we got that all sorted out!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Sep 02 - 12:49 PM

Gee, I thought "bacon butty" meant it had to be dripping with butter, the way Micca makes 'em [grin].
....it's an acquired taste....

Actually, the guy's a darn good cook.

-Joe Offer, truly grateful for Micca's hospitality-


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 08 Sep 02 - 01:19 PM

I can't eat butter or many dairy products coz I'm allergic to them but I do like a good bacon buttie. The bacon has to be crispy with lots of brown sauce on the bread tomato ketchup will do though!!!

Cat


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Sep 02 - 05:12 PM

Do people really have sandwiches without butter or the equivalent?

And do people use the term buttie when it's toasted? I've never heard anyone say "toasted buttie" or "toasted sarnie" for that matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Gareth
Date: 08 Sep 02 - 06:24 PM

Kevin - Toasted Sarnie YES !!

Ever had a hot beef sandwich at Blooms in Whitechaple ?

No Butter - butty !

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Snuffy
Date: 08 Sep 02 - 07:35 PM

Yes, Kevin, people do have butties without butter.

With bread I always have the bacon/jam/cold meat/paste etc straight on the bread.

But with toast, butter (or to be more accurate, the low-fat olive oil-based spread that my wife insists on buying) is an alternative to any of the above - instead of, not as well as.

WassaiL! V


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Sep 02 - 07:53 PM

I suppose that if you exclude hamburgers and hot dogs (neither served with butter on the bun), the favorite sandwich in the US is the PB&J (peanut butter and jelly, usually made with jam or preserves and not jelly - and NO butter).

A BLT is bacon, lettuce, tomato, and mayonnaise, usually on toast (with what you Brits call "streaky Danish bacon").

Grilled cheese sandwiches are usually spread with butter on the outside of the sandwich, and cooked in a frying pan until the bread is toasted and the cheese melted.

On other US sandwiches, butter is optional - it depends on how your mom made them when you were a kid.

We have hoagies or submarine sandwiches that are made on long pieces of French bread with lots of filling - but otherwise, I don't think we have alternate words of "sandwich."

When I ordered a pork sarnie in York last month, I wasn't sure what I was going to get. Good, though.... [evil grin]

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 09 Sep 02 - 05:45 AM

I recall an American song from circa 1960 with a chorus that went "Every night he brings me Frankfurter sandwiches". Even after it was explained that this meant hot dogs, it still didn't make much sense ...

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Snuffy
Date: 09 Sep 02 - 06:55 PM

I remember that one Steve - Dorothy Provine wasn't it? From the TV series The Roaring 20s?

Instead of us billing and cooing
All he keeps doing is chewing
Frankfurter sandwiches
Frankfurter sandwiches
All night long
WassaiL! V


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Trevor
Date: 10 Sep 02 - 04:50 AM

In a fairly cataclysmic life, one of the things that has always caused me considerable confusion is whether a round is one slice or two, and this thread has done nothing to enlighten me. So I usually end up with a sammo that is either half or twice the size I was expecting.

LtS, my Nan used to do that as well. Do you remember Ryan and Ronnie used to have a character who would butter and slice the loaf whilst holding it under her arm - '..and don't call Will on your father!...'


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: GUEST,Storyteller
Date: 10 Sep 02 - 05:06 AM

One of Liverpool's culinary delights is the "sugar buttie", a treat for young Scousers consisting of white sugar sprinkled generously between two slices of buttered bread. Dentists on Merseyside have very strong opinions about this!

Another local variant is the "treacle buttie" which originated in the docks where the dockers would spread ther bread with the raw treacle which leaked from Tate & Lyle's cargoes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 10 Sep 02 - 05:24 AM

"Sammo"--Trevor, that's what we used to call 'em in Walsall before we found out John Lennon said "Sarnies"!

Yes, Snuffy, that's the one: Every night he brings me Frankfurter sandwiches, Frankfurter sandwiches. Every night I murmur "Thanks for the sandwiches, thanks for the sandwiches" Anyone beat a six-syllable rhyme?

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Sonnet
Date: 10 Sep 02 - 07:08 PM

Anyone for a treacle shorve?

JMcS


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: rich-joy
Date: 12 Sep 02 - 06:34 AM

Guest Storyteller, my Scouser says don't forget "Conny-Onny Butties"!!!

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 12 Sep 02 - 07:01 AM

"Conny-Onny Butties"!!! = condensed milk sandwiches, a local scouse delicacy


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: GUEST,IanN
Date: 12 Sep 02 - 07:38 AM

Why do menus etc. advertise "BLT (Bacon, lettuce & tomato)"? What's the point of abbreviating something if you're then going to put it in full in brackets next to the abbreviation? Is this an American thing? I notice Joe refers to a PB&J above! Are we going to see C&P (Cheese & Pickle) or E&C (Egg & Cress) on our menus soon? !!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 12 Sep 02 - 07:44 AM

s&m? sausage & mash.

pc? peaches & cream.

f'n c? fish 'n chips.hmmm..don't like the sound of this one.

any more?


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Orac
Date: 12 Sep 02 - 12:11 PM

Rolls, baps, cobs etc are different shapes of bread they are not names that are location specific. I can never understand the confusion here ... you only have to look at the shape to see what to call them. Rolls are sausage shaped. Baps are large circular squashed things and cobs are what baps would have looked like if someone hadn't squashed them ... whats the problem?? A "round" is slang for one slice of bread not a sandwhich. If a sandwich is made from "one round" if would be folded or cut into two. A butty is just slang for a sandwich there is no difference.... whether it be buttered or not... or even "margarined" if there is such a word.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 12 Sep 02 - 12:23 PM

Mr Red, if I saw "S&M" in M&S I'd know not to worry about it, but anywhere else...!

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: C-flat
Date: 12 Sep 02 - 12:23 PM

On Teesside we have "fadges"(pronounced fad-jees). Small heavy bread buns.
And thank you to the person who mentioned "Conny-Onny Butties"...........My! that takes me back............I can even taste them!
C-flat


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 12 Sep 02 - 07:58 PM

steve p, s&m was frm mr h not not mr r.

in south wales, a 'butty' can mean chum/pal/fiend/mate/amigo/comrade/buddy/oppo/crony etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Sep 02 - 08:01 PM

Oh, by the way, I was introduced to another kind of sandwich in the UK, and I really like it -Marmite and cheese. Anybody know where I can get Marmite or Vegemite in California?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Buttie / Butty & Sandwich: Any difference?
From: rich-joy
Date: 12 Sep 02 - 08:21 PM

Joe, try Vegemite and avocado too - or MISO instead of the Vegemite, if you're feeling more health-conscious!!

Then there's Vegemite and creamed honey ... and Vegemite on Crumpets! (and I didn't mean on your "bit of Crumpet" - but then again, whatever takes your fancy!!!)

Cheers! R-J
from Down Under ...


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