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Lyr Req: Amhrán Mhuighinse

GUEST,JTT 13 Oct 02 - 04:17 AM
Joe Offer 13 Oct 02 - 04:45 AM
GUEST,Philippa 13 Oct 02 - 07:31 AM
GUEST,Philippa 13 Oct 02 - 07:51 AM
GUEST,JTT 13 Oct 02 - 03:09 PM
Brían 13 Oct 02 - 04:16 PM
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Brían 16 Oct 02 - 11:11 PM
GUEST,Philippa 29 Nov 02 - 08:47 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Amhran Mhuinise
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 13 Oct 02 - 04:17 AM

Drat, where's the Public Help Question heading gone?

I've got a problem: I want to make a compilation for someone whose grandma has just died, and have promised him Amhran Mhuinise - the song where a woman requests that she be buried not in her husband's place but in Mweenish in Connemara.

But I can't find it in my hundreds of CDs.

I used to have a handy little Mac thing called Findit that indexed all the CDs, zips, etc that you put in your computer, and if you looked for something it could tell you what CD it was for - but no longer, and it doesn't seem to be available online any more either.

Anyone know what album Amhran Mhuinise might be on?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Amhran Mhuinise
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Oct 02 - 04:45 AM

Hi, JTT - maybe you would have been better to leave the thread heading blank. we dorpped "public help" because nobody seemed to agree what it meant.
Usually, I find recordings by searching CD's at one of the online dealers like CDNOW, but they couldn't help this time. I tried a Google search, but that didn't work this time.
Google brought up a dandy Irish lyrics site, Amhran Gaelach.
Good luck.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: Lyr Add: AMHRÁN MHUIGHINSE / THE SONG OF MUIGHINIS
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 13 Oct 02 - 07:31 AM

from Sarah Ní Ghriallais "Idir Dhá á Sháile"
notes & lyrics accompanying cassette edited by Brian Ó Ruairc

AMHRÁN MHUIGHINSE

Dá mbéinn trí léige i bhfairraige nó ar shléibhte i bhad ó thír,
Gan aon neach beo i mo ghaobhar ach an raithneach ghlas is fraoch,
An sneachta dhá shéideadh aduaidh orm is an ghaoth dhá fhuadach dhíom,
'S mé bheith ag comhrá le mo Taimín Bán, níorbh fhada liom an oích'.

'S a Mhuire dhílis, céard a dhéanfas mé? Tá an geimhreadh seo a' tíocht fuar;
'S a Mhuire dhílis, céard a dhéanfas an teach seo 's a bhfuil ann?
Nach é an trua anois mé bheith ag scarúint libh ar thíocht na huaire breá,
Le linn don chuach bheith ag seinm ceoil 's gach duilliúr glas ag fás?

Dá mba tusa féin a d'imeodh as, 'gus mise fanacht ann,
Bheinn ag oiliúnt do chuid clainne dhuit gach oíche is gach lá.
Ó shúilfinn féin an cúige leo agus anonn go Contae an Chláir,
'S ní chuimhneoinn an fhad 's a mhairfinn beo fear eile a chur in t'áit.

Agus gearragí amach mo chónra dhom as fíorscoth gheal na gclár,
'S má tá Seán Ó hEidhin i Muighinis, bíodh sé déanta óna láimh;
Bíodh mo chaipín 's mo ribín inti istigh 's fad go rí-dheas ar mo cheann,
Agus triúr ban óg ó na sléibhte agam le mé ' chaoineadh os cionn cláir.

'S má bhíonn mo chlann sa mbaile agam an oíche a bhfaighidh mé bás,
Ó, nach dtórróidh siad go fiúntach mé trí oíche 'gus trí lá?
Beidh na píopaí geala cailce acu, 's na ceaigeannaí 's iad lán,
'S tiúrfaidh Páidín Mór go Muighinis mé, nó is garbh a bheas an lá.

'S ag góil siar ag Inse Ghainnimh dhom, bíodh an bhratach insan gcrann;
Ó, ná cuiridh i Leitir Calaidh mé, mar ní ann atá mo dhream,
Ach tugaigí siar go Muighinis mé, san áit a gcaionfear mé go hard;
Beidh na soilse ar na dúchannaí, 's ní bheidh uaigneas orm ann.

Notaí: [by Brian Ó Ruairc]
"Bean darb ainm Máire Ní Chlochartaigh a chum an t-amhrán seo agus í ar leaba a báis. Bhí sí pósta le Taimín Bán Ó Conghaile as Leitir Calaidh, ach theastaigh uaithi a bheith curtha i Muighinis lena nádúr fhéin. ach bhí an aimsir chomh dona san ar feadh trí lá indiaidh a báis narbh fhéidir an turas fharraige a dhéanamh, agus cuireadh i Leitir Calaidh í.
Chuir Sarah an t-amhrán seo ar cheann de na caiséid a ghabhann leis an leabhar "Blas Meala/A Sip from the Honey-Pot" a d'hoilsigh mé [Brían Ó Ruairc] i 1985."

[A woman by the name of Máire Ní Chlochartaigh wrote this song while she was on her death bed. she was married to Taimín Bán Ó Conghaile of Leitir Calaidh but she wanted to be buried in her own place, Muighinis (near Carna, Co Galway). But the weather was so bad for three days after her death that it wasn't possible to make the boat trip to Muighinis and she was buried in Leitir Calaidh instead.]

"Sarah recorded this song and its English translation - on one of the cassett tapes that accompanied my book "Blas Meala/A Sip from the Honey-Pot" (Irish Academic Press, 1985). It is the same recording that is included on the present tape. The version is a composite one, incorporating details from several different sources. - The only piece of information I have to add to what I wrote about the song in "Blas Meala" concerns the flag which Máire Ní Chlochartaigh wished to have flown on the boat which was to bring her body to Muighinis; according to Séamus Ó Dúbháin (from Ard Mór, Cill Chiaráin) the flag was one which he used to wave at boats passing by her home in Leitir Calaidh."

THE SONG OF MUIGHINIS (translation from the Irish)

If I were three leagues out at sea or on mountains far from home,
without any living thing near me, but the green fern and heather,
snow being blown on me from the north and the wind whipping it off me,
and if I were conversing with my fair Taimín, I would not find the night long.

And, dear Mary, what will I do? This windter is coming on cold.
And, dear Mary, what will become of this house and all those in it?
Isn't it a pity now that I'm parting from you at the coming of the fine weather,
at the time when the cuckoo is making music and every green leaf growing?

If it was you who were dying and I were remaining behind,
I would be rearing your family for you, every night and every day.
Oh, I would walk the province with them, and over to the County Clare,
and I would not think, as long as I remained alive, of putting another man in your place.

Cut my coffin out for me, from the choicest bright boards;
and if Seán Hynes is in Muighinis, let it be made by his hand.
Let my cap and my ribbon be inside in it, and the nicely placed on my head,
and let me have three young women from the mountains to mourn me (when I'm) laid out.

And if I have my family at home the night that I die,
oh, won't they wake me worthily for three nights and three days?
They will have the white clay pipes, and kegs full,
and Big Páidín will bring me to Muighinis, or else the day will be rough.

And as I go west by Inse Ghainnimh ('Sandy Island'), let the flag be on the mast.
Oh, do not bury me in Leitir Calaidh, for it's not where my people are,
but bring me west to Muighinis, to the place where I will be mourned loundly;
the lights will be on the dunes, and I won't be lonely there.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Amhran Mhuinse
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 13 Oct 02 - 07:51 AM

see also Galway univesity Real audio archive sung by Nóra De Búrca   

also recorded by Seán 'ac Dhonnchadha on "An Aill Báin - The White Rock", Claddagh Records
on the web, I saw a reference to Joe Heany singing The Banks of Claudy to the air of Amhrán Mhuinse, and Amhrán Mhuinse as a track on a Gael-Linn recording "An Seó", artists not given. This may be the same as "Ragús - An Seó", music from Aran Islands. Available from
Claddagh Records


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Amhran Mhuinise
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 13 Oct 02 - 03:09 PM

Couldn't see any way to make the thread blank. Damn, I had that Sean 'ac Donnchadha CD and gave it to the nephew.


I thought it was on Amhráin ar an Sean Nós, but nope. I'm sure I've heard a version of it on Raidió na Gaeltachta that's relatively populist and modern, but can't think who sang it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Amhran Mhuinise
From: Brían
Date: 13 Oct 02 - 04:16 PM

There is a CD by Nan Tom Teaimín available on the Cló-iar chonnachta Amhránaíocht ar an Sean-nós. I heard Johnny Mháitín Learaí in person sing this to another air about a week ago. Of course, my tape player was in my car(Kicks himself).

Nice version, Phillipa, I'll have to save this thread.

Brían


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Amhran Mhuinise
From: Brían
Date: 13 Oct 02 - 11:17 PM

Here's a better link to the page: Traditional songs from Connemara .

Brían


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Amhran Mhuinise
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 02:21 PM

I rang the Traditional Music Archive, and they told me there were two versions on disk, or maybe three, on three CDs.

One was on Sara Ghriallais's new album of sean-nós from Connemara, which I got - it's beautiful, unaccompanied, but a bit hard to follow. It's a fabulous album, though, produced by French company Cinq Planetes.

The other two were on two albums by Ragús, one called just Ragús, the other either Ragús Anseo or (more likely) Ragús, An Seó. Haven't got either of these yet.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Amhran Mhuinse
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 03:03 PM

called "Ragús - An Seó"; see my last message!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Amhran Mhuinise
From: Brían
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 11:11 PM

Thanks, Phillipa. I have wondered who Teaimín Bán was for a long time.

Brían


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Amhran Mhuinise
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 29 Nov 02 - 08:47 AM

A version of Anhrán Mhuighinse is published in Tomás Ó Concheanainn, "Nua-Dhuanaire III", Dublin: Institiúd Ardléinn, 1978 (reprinted 1981). The sources are Béaloideas 1311,367-9 (Carna) and Stoc, Jan. 1925
In Béaloideas the song was titled "Amhrán Mháire Ní
Chlochartaigh" and the story was given much as above, from the telling of Éamann Ó Conghaile of Árd Thiar, Carna. Parts of this song are also found in another lament called "Bríd Ní Ghadhra", published in Stoc, Jan. 1925 and also in T. Ó Ceallaigh, "Ceól na n-Oileán" (Dublin, 1931 – and I believe recently re-issued by Cló Iar-Chonnachta)

Brian, there's also a song in Nua-Dhuanaire III called "Taimín Bán".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Amhran Mhuinise
From: GUEST,Diarmaid
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 08:09 AM

the best version of the song i have heard yet is on 'Liadán'CD. im from a gaeltacht myself and know about seanós. check it out!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Amhrán Mhuighinse
From: GUEST,helen
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 05:53 PM

thanks for posting!!


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Subject: RE: Amhrán Mhuínse / Mhuighinse
From: Felipa
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 05:07 PM

just felt like reviving the thread for this quite well known Irish language song. Note modern spelling if you are searching for recordings: Amhrán Mhuínse.

In the second post of this discussion, Joe Offer mentioned a site, I think it's this useful resource: http://www.macsuibhne.com/amhran/


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