BS: Demos' non-stimulus package

Subject: BS: Demos' non-stimulus package
From: wilco
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 02:23 PM

IN US Congress, the demoratic party has proposed a variety of antiquated proposals to stimulate the economy, all of which have been consistently disproved over many, amny years. They are trying to frame the Republican proposal as benefiting only the wealthy, which is completely false, and only an attempt to generate class warfare and hate.

Subject: RE: BS: Demos' non-stimulus package
From: TIA
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 05:57 PM

Thanks Rush.

Subject: RE: BS: Demos' non-stimulus package
From: kendall
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 06:05 PM

I got my 300 bucks from the other "stimulation". I forgot what I did with it, and, I don't remember that it did a damn thing to stimulate the economy.
The definition of insanity= Performing the same task over and over the same way, hoping for a different outcome.

Subject: RE: BS: Demos' non-stimulus package
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 06:15 PM

Yo, Wilco. The Bush's have written the book on "class warfare" with terms like "liberal elitists", "intellectual elitists", and many more that Daddy Bush taight his sons well...

And other than accelerating the tax cuts by one year, the average working clas stiff got absolutely nothing from Bush's proposals. Nothing. Tell me where I am wrong. And lets not assume that the average working stiff has a stock portfolio, 'cause he doesn't. There is no extra money in the households of families with combined incomes under say, $60,000, which I think fairly represent what the average two income family grosses (before taxes) in America.

I'm glad for you Wilco that you are making a lot more that. I really am. But it doesn't change the *fact* that Bushes ideas are a major rip off to the working man. Show me where I am wrong...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Demos' non-stimulus package
From: TIA
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 06:37 PM

If tax cuts are the solution, let's cut 'em all the way to zero.
Of course not.
Only the willfully blind or brainwashed can't see that it's not a tax cut at all -- it's a shift of the tax burden from those poor downtrodden wealthy to the working class on whose side GWB claims to be (and us idiots believe it).
A tax cut, plus a war in Afghanistan, plus a possible war in Iraq, plus a sh-tty economy, plus improved education, plus increased benefits for elderly...
Who actually has brain cells and believes this adds up?

Subject: RE: BS: Demos' non-stimulus package
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 07:54 PM

TIA:

Ain't it wonderfull when you mix up just enough "fuzzy math" and *outright lies*. Heck of a stew. Only problem is that if ya' can get it down, it's coming right back up...

And don't worry about "Joe Six-pack". He ain't never really voted but when ya' mess with his money, he will. And Junior is messin' with his money...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Demos' non-stimulus package
From: TIA
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 11:25 PM

Bobert, I hope Joe Sixer wakes up soon enough, 'cause I'm afraid the clever SOB is making sure the bills really come due only after he's retired back in TX.

Subject: RE: BS: Demos' non-stimulus package
From: mack/misophist
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 01:00 AM

It's hard to believe the government once supported itself entirely on import duties.

Subject: RE: BS: Demos' non-stimulus package
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 09:48 AM

And supplied few of the services upon which we now depend.

Subject: RE: BS: Demos' non-stimulus package
From: DougR
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 04:21 PM

Bobert: roughly half the population of the U.S. have stock portfolios thorugh either individual investing or their pension plans.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Demos' non-stimulus package
From: NicoleC
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 04:59 PM

Doug, people with a 401k aren't going to benefit -- 401ks, IRAs and Keoghs are already tax exempt. The only benefit through the Republican plan is to those taking stock dividends.

If you think the Bush Adminstration is hoping small investors will be fooled into thinking this also applies to them, you'd be dead one. Small investors don't get squat. ONLY those investors who own stocks outright in sufficient quantities to qualify for cash stock dividends from the corporation in which they own stocks. Direct investments, some money markets, that sort of thing. According to the IRS, more than 60% of the total value of dividends paid to individuals in 1999 went to the top 10% of taxpayers.

I don't think the Dem's plan is the answer either, but it would be a lot less damaging than the Bush plan.

Subject: RE: BS: Demos' non-stimulus package
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 05:48 PM

Well, danged, Nicole. You got back to Dougie on that one before I had a chance to. I had to "laugh half way of my heels" when I read Doug's post. Just goes to show you how dangeruos statistics can be when spoon fed to the public by Fox and the Ruskmen of the World.

There was a real interesting chart in this morning's Washington Post, if anyone would like to find the A-1 story on the breakdown of who's going to get what. I cut it out but left it at my office but it would be nice if someone with more pudder savy that I to "blue clicky" the arttcle, which has the tables. Very interesting.

The word on the street is that Bush thinks he he totally invincable and therefore is going to just go balls to the wall with his extreme right agenda. I think it was Abe Lincoln who said ya' really can't judge a man's character until he has some power. Well, we're seeing exactly what Abe had in mind. Now I know that Dougie and a couple others around here think that Junior is doing a fine job. Well, if ya' have to love an anti-Robin Hood type then he's the man. Steal from the working man to subsidize the folks who were, by in large, born wealthy...

Bobert