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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Ireland Date: 15 Jan 03 - 12:52 PM "Anyway, I just overwhelm people with information and let them sort it out" Are you OK dear, do you need to talk about it, this paranoia is really unhealthy you know. I see you as the character played by Mel Gibson in the film Conspiracy Theory, sad. You overwhelm me with fear, just think if some one like you get their finger on the button. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Rustic Rebel Date: 15 Jan 03 - 11:59 AM Sorry that didn't work. ok just forget it unless you want to go to steakandcheese.com and look up what I was trying to do it's under pictures 2000- Bush and Cheney. I was just trying to add a little humor with no success. Go figure. Rustic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Rustic Rebel Date: 15 Jan 03 - 11:52 AM What I would like to know is why would that even be a proposed act? (RAVE act) Now what is up with that? I guess I'll have to look it up myself. In the meantime...PLEASE click here Ha! Rustic P.S. Guest if your still out there, I had the same problem yesterday with posting. I don't think they are filtering you ...Yet... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: DougR Date: 15 Jan 03 - 11:42 AM For quite some time, GUEST, I thought that you might just be a flamer. I think I was probably wrong though. Seems to me you are just paranoid. Help is available if you seek it. :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST Date: 15 Jan 03 - 11:35 AM Hey, it got posted. I did lose a post yesterday and the day before. Someone on the forum asked 'Max' to do something about my posts a while back, and I just assumed someone was filtering. Might be, or it might be the forum needs purging. Too much in storage...pages open slowly. But I HAVE been blocked from other forums, believe it or not...just for spreading innocent little stories like this: http://www.bushwatch.net/burns.htm Which is all I'm posting today, on various boards. The story is long and a real bolt from left field. I didn't even know there was another Bush brother...and look what he's involved in. Eyes Wide Shut...let's see...Tom Cruise is flirting with high society and his wife has a breakdown. As he investigates the breakdown, he discovers a new world. The same old world that's been in front of him all the time, but he starts to see it differently. This is a CRUCIAL movie, (watch it if you can tolerate nudity), and some say Kubrick was killed for making it. It chronicles the main character's dawning awareness of the 'ruling class'. Their ability to make things happen, the way they do what they want, secretly, but still right there in front of you if you bother to look. Kubrick was always a step ahead of other film makers, and some think he was killed for showing the world of the Illuminati. But some said Mozart was killed for writing the Magic Flute about the Masons. Who knows? Kidman's breakdown of her MKUltra training reminds me of what GW is going through right now...the mood swings, etc. I think there's a passable chance GW is a victim of MKUltra...hell, his grandaddy and daddy were instrumental in developing the program. MKUltra was the torture program developed by the CIA using rescued Nazi scientists. The 'death camp' doctors who really WERE doing research...not just killing indiscriminately. They wanted to find out how much pain and trauma a person could take, and in their experiments, they discovered how the mind splits under extreme torture. A new personality (blank slate) is created and that personality can be given a 'trigger phrase'. Later, you can open that personality with the phrase and teach it the art of assassination, prostitution, drug muling, etc. The Nazis who developed this were imported to the U.S. in 1947 by the NSA and CIA and continued to work. That's where all the kids on the milk cartons end up...as CIA operatives who don't even know they are. That's where the kids DynCorp kidnapped went. Or that's what some say. And Ebbie, dear Ebbie, thank you for doing my homework for me. My mistake there was in thinking the last congress passed that already. The analysis I read of it examined the semi-colons and the 'whereas'es and pointed out how, technically, all the things I mentioned COULD be considered paraphenalia. Bottled water, air-conditioners and yes, even pacifiers. And these steroided, military-armed cops running around today DO like to pick on women, so mommies with children and pacifiers SHOULD be concerned about something as seemingly unconnected to their lives as the RAVE Act. All this oppressive legislation is interconnected. EVERYTHING is being criminalized... Take public schools. I come from a family of teachers (ex-teachers), and they've been baffled for years over why 'counsellors' rush in to talk to the kids every time one of their classmates dies, etc. Well, the information collected is recorded, and we're told those files are sealed...juvenile record. Fast forward to the present, and you have the Bush Administration forcing public schools to turn over all info on kids to the military. Or they want that to happen, at least, and it will after the next 'terrorist attack'. They want to get a peek at kids' thoughts so they can pick out the anti-socials for the really ugly jobs. And these 'counselling sessions' after tragedies...someday the notes of THOSE sessions will be in the govt. database, and anyone with a 'psychiatric history' will not be allowed to purchase or own a gun. THAT is the primary reason for forcing counsellors on kids at school...to give them a psychiatric history. It is also the primary reason Ritalin (and soon, Prozac) are being shoved on kids...MANDATORY if they expect to remain in school. To give them a psychiatric record. And it used to be just a roundabout way of denying them guns when they got older, but with this new Prozac development, I wonder what else has been added to the plan. I've heard Charolette Isserby (sp?) interviewed on this a couple of times, and she says it is government policy...what I just described. She was #2 or 3 in Reagan's Dept. of Education, and she says the public school system is intentionally being used to train kids how to live in prisons, give them 'records' so they can't advance later in life, etc. Anyway, I just overwhelm people with information and let them sort it out, Ebbie. Not enough time to debate the minutae. If ANYTHING I say catches your interest, look into it. I love life but HATE the new world I've discovered since Sept. 11. But the world's not beyond fixing. It's only a couple hundred truly evil people pushing the world towards a feudal society where 80% of us will need to be exterminated. And they can't withstand the light of day. Look at the trouble they've gone to to protect a schmuck like Marvin Bush...the guy in the story at the URL above. They are TERRIFIED of the light. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Troll Date: 15 Jan 03 - 10:41 AM Well, I tried. Don't misunderstand; I don't necessarily disagree with GUEST that something is wrong, but I want more than unsubstantiated newapaper articles and off the wall conspiracy theories that patch vaugely related events together before I'll start circling the wagons. Remember, never atribute to malice that which may be explained by stupidity. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Ireland Date: 15 Jan 03 - 10:15 AM Can ye get yer cookie grafted back on? Kim C, hope you get well soon, poor thing! ahh |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie Date: 15 Jan 03 - 09:57 AM I can only speak for myself.... but today I still have the right to do everything I did yesterday. In my own little sphere of existence, I don't feel abused, I don't feel put upon, trampled upon, whatever. I can travel anywhere I want (except Cuba, and there are still ways around that), I can write letters to my Congressmen, to my local newspaper, to whomever I wish; and in the State of Tennessee, I can still buy a gun and get a carry permit if I want. I can still go to work and go shopping and go to the movies and get on the Internet. And on Friday, I'm going to get tattooed again, of my own free will. Are there people who don't want me to be able to do some of those things? Well, sure. Do I believe they will ever have enough power to stop me, or anyone else in this country, from doing them? With the exception of international travel, I say, not a chance. (I single out travel, because it has been restricted in times past, and for good reasons.) I'm not buying it. Maybe I'm wrong. Okay. But I'm not going to fill my brain with a bunch of gloom-and-doom that can't be readily and undoubtedly documented. Y'all's mileage may vary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: stevetheORC Date: 15 Jan 03 - 08:54 AM Ah do apologise normaly just think of that area as middle east. Thank you for correcting my error :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Bagpuss Date: 15 Jan 03 - 08:02 AM Erm, Steve.... The Middle East is part of Asia.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Ireland Date: 15 Jan 03 - 07:39 AM "This is what the movie 'Eyes Wide Shut' deals with. The people planning to kill your family don't even have to hide their intentions. It is too heinous for you to believe." "I could present a case to any grand jury in the country and have them vote to go to trial for 'prior knowledge' against GWBush for the September 11 attacks. The evidence is so overwhelming, I could get any grand jury to vote to go to trial for, minimum, negligent homicide, because Bush did nothing to stop the attacks. And I could convince half the grand juries Bush had a hand in carrying out the attacks." Guest,are your eyes wide shut? Read what your arguments are based on, you have already gave the defence for Bush "It is too heinous for you to believe". If American Gov. were to investigate every threat and make contingency plans to the threats, it would bankrupt the country in days. Who draws the line? Who says this is for real? What would happen if Bush had the Twin Towers evacuated and all flights cancelled on that day? The threat wrt Sept 11 was too heinous for you to believe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: stevetheORC Date: 15 Jan 03 - 06:54 AM Sadam actualy lives in the middle east and not asia so I think it might bea good idea for you to point this out to Mr Bush prior to his invasion otherwise it could prove to be slightly embarasing. i quite agree that he seems to be slightly obsessed with Sadam could be he fancies him though? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: JennyO Date: 15 Jan 03 - 02:29 AM I have been following this thread with a fair bit of interest, even reading GUEST's posts right through, and trying to keep an open mind. Strangely enough after Sept 11, I said to a few people "What if the whole thing was orchestrated by the U.S. govt?". Nobody I spoke to thought that was possible, and even I decided it was too horrifying to contemplate, but having seen the movie "Network" years ago, my mind has been open to the possibility that there is a hell of a lot more goes on behind the scenes than we would ever dream of. Usually I tend to think the best of people, and that is certainly true in my everyday life, but I am not gullible, either. I don't know all the facts about this, and frankly, if it is as bad as you say it is, GUEST, it would be well nigh impossible to uncover them, so I take the same viewpoint as Little Hawk, and watch to see what happens, and don't necessarily believe everything I hear, particularly if it is second hand information. We have enough to worry about here in Australia, with little Johnny Howard champing at the bit to jump on the Bush war-wagon. By the way, GUEST, the forum slowed down for me too, only when I was on other threads. When you said it was slowing down and hard for you to get to, and "Your protector is doing what he can to save you from the truth", that sounded a tad paranoid. Comments like that don't help you much when you want people to take you seriously! Jenny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Ebbie Date: 15 Jan 03 - 12:03 AM I do wish you'd decide whether you want to give us actual information or whether you want to throw in total nonsense. "By the way, did you know the RAVE Act (updated 1986 law) has just made it illegal to own or possess glow sticks, bottled water or air conditioners in the U.S.? Look it up." I did. Not only is NOT a law, it's a proposed ACTand it hasn't even been passed. It was presented to the Senate in 2002 by Joseph Biden, in the name of himself and three or four other legislators and as of January 13, 2003 is still just in the pipeline. And it does NOT outlaw any of the above: glow sticks, bottled water or air conditioners. (Why didn't you add pacifiers)? Get real. I must say that the person you remind me of is Schippers himself, or at least what I perceive him to be like. No, that is not a compliment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:31 PM Well damn. Had a nice long harangue all typed out...then it got blasted to electrons. Should have saved it. Happened earlier today, too. I'm being filtered. Or so it seems. It's happened before and it'll happen again, but I don't think I'll be able to come back here to visit you folks. Too bad too, because I've begun to amuse harpgirl. That's probably more reward than I deserve for doing what I have to do, and I DO have to do this. I'm compelled by the oaths I've taken to defend my country. I forgot what all was in the other post. Doesn't matter. It seems I've amused most of you by showing you an alternative universe. Only, it's a REAL universe. Consider Dick Cheney. He said future terror attacks against America would be certain if money and resources were diverted to the Sept. 11 investigation. Coming from a GOOD Dick Cheney, that would show concern for Americans. Coming from a BAD Dick Cheney, that would be a threat against those pushing for investigations. So, which do you, in your heart, believe said that? The good or the bad Cheney? The only U.S. company allowed to 'trade Iraqi oil for humanitarian purposes' since the Gulf War was Cheney's Haliburton Oil company. The Bushes and Clinton made sure of that. So, in my book, profiteering from human suffering makes Cheney bad. Which means he threatened us with another terrorist attack if we pushed for Sept. 11 investigations. Is THAT what you folks are afraid of? Dick Cheney? And now we have the lunatic Saddam Hussein outwitting GWBush. What an embarrassment. Here's a re-cap of the Hussein/Bush soap opera: 1980's -- Turkey and the U.S. build up Hussein's army to fight the Iranians. The Bushes and James Baker's family sell tons and tons of bioweapons and chemical weapons to Hussein. 1990 -- American ambassador to Iraq, April Glasspie, tells Hussein that an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait would be regarded as a 'regional conflict' and the U.S. would not get involved in 'inter-Arab affairs'. I've seen the video tape of the meeting a dozen times. So Hussein invades, then Bush # I breaks his promise and attacks Hussein. But he doesn't take him out because (see comment on Haliburton above). Hussein was left in power so the Bushes and Cheneys could bleed the country of oil revenue. He was also left in power because the police state in America needed some finishing touches...concentration camps to be built, more federal funding to turn public schools into prisons, arm local cops with military ordinance they HAVE to practice with to stay sharp. Oh, and ratchet up the 'war on drugs' so you can eventually equate terrorism, guns and SUVs with drugs. Little things like that had to be done in the U.S. over the past 12 years. By the way, did you know the RAVE Act (updated 1986 law) has just made it illegal to own or possess glow sticks, bottled water or air conditioners in the U.S.? Look it up. 2000 -- The Bushes draw up a plan to conquer Central Asia even before GW is in the White House. The plan calls for the removal of Hussein at ANY cost. That was in the Sunday Herald, I think. The plan was circulated to the Bushes and Dick Cheney. Even Jeb got a copy. Just type in 'Iraqi invasion plan before' at www.google.com. That should turn up the story. 2003 -- GWBush has spent over a year tying everything he can to 'the war on terror'. He's wrecked our economy, given all our money to the upper 1% of 'wage earners'...and he's accused Hussein of wanting to use 'weapons of mass destruction'. Plans are in place to shut down cities and bus you to sports stadiums for 'protection'. Our troops are being sent overseas as fast as possible, but then, suddenly, Hussein says he'll consider stepping down and going into exile. GW is cracking under the strain. He's tried everything from tying Hussein to al Qeada (unsuccessfully), saying he's breached the rules laid down by U.N. inspectors, he's said 'he tried to kill my daddy', he's threatened to 'launch a nuclear war in order to prevent nuclear war'...I mean, the guy's cracking because it is his JOB to kill Hussein so the CIA can release smallpox on us. With Hussein not around to defend himself, we can blame EVERYTHING on him. So the Russian mafia and the Windsors and the Rothschilds are expecting GW to deliver, and now Hussein has thrown a wrench into things. So what's GW to do? The U.N. has ordered him to seize the second largest oil reserves in the world, so it looks like GW will be getting another ass-whipping from 'the pretzel' before long. And to avoid that...to avoid another ass-whipping...he's going to go ahead and launch a suicidal war. China will move on Taiwan (GW's already cut the number of U.S. warships in that theater in half), we'll lose 40 thousand troops in South Korea, we'll lose a hundred thousand to CIA nukes in Pakistan, etc. And then there's the Russians. GW has reduced our nuclear warheads from 7,200 to 1,700, but the Russians have kept all theirs. And the sad thing is, I think GW is the reluctant monster in this. He just wants to be baseball commissioner and eat boogers at ball games (look for that video on the internet...it's cool. GW and Laura eating boogers at the Texas Rangers ball park). So the guy just wants to be commissioner, and now his Luciferian father and all his DynCorp friends (look up DynCorp...the CIA front company that may have kidnapped as many as 200,000 kids in Bosnia for sex slave / ritual child sacrifice resale)...those guys send the 'pretzel' over to kick ass when things don't get done on time. So...damn it...all he can do is launch a war. Sure he ducked Viet Nam and just cut medical benefits to WW2 and Korean War vets, but...that pretzel guy... But enough of that. I made my point. I doubt even this will make it through the Mudcat filter. Y'all are nice folks, and I hate to be so hard on nice people, but DAMN it...this is SERIOUS stuff. And I KNOW most of it is on-target. But the folks consolidating their power right now are getting sloppy. Bush was on Cipro Sept. 11, and the families of the Brentwood New Jersey postal workers who first died of the anthrax are SUING Bush for KNOWING the anthrax was in the mail. Bush # 2 is a DESPERATE man who is going to TRY to start WW3 and wreck America in the process, just so he doesn't get caught being bad. And we OWE it to every one of the people who died defending America to holler about this. Need to look for other forums now. It's been fun. Going to put on Jerry Lee Lewis' Sun recordings now to get REALLY cranked up...grrrrr Adios P.S. -- Just saw your post before I pasted this, Little Hawk. Thank you for your thoughtful comments. You have a sense of non-judgementalism I wished I possessed. But somewhere I heard you don't pick your causes, they pick you. And since Sept. 13, 2001, I knew I was being fed BS. My investigations have led to this point. It's not a world view I like, believe me, but I'm pretty sure it's accurate. Thank all of you for your comments...supportive or ridiculing. You need to express yourself, and that's what chaps me most about our current situation. Freedom of speech is rare in the world, and people are threatening to take it from us. If we don't raise hell about it...well, do what you have to do. I'm doing what I have to do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Ebbie Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:14 PM I've always wondered about that, too, Little Hawk. In 1969, from our home in Oregon, I took my 6 year old daughter on a vacation, traveling byways and back roads as much as I could. Outside Florence, Arizona, I came upon a vast fenced acreage, posted with large No Trespassing signs, with a broad, asphalt road. in the distance I could see buildings, but couldn't see much; the land there has a slight roll to it. I was curious and in town I stopped at a restaurant. I asked a couple of people who each said they would ask someone else. Finally, an older woman, whether boss or waitress I don't remember, said that it was a "governmental security area". I said that to someone else and he snorted. It's a concentration camp, he said. And they're all across the country, he said. I've never known the truth of it. Keep in mind, however, that 1969 was a volatile time in this country. I just looked up Florence. It has around 17,000 people, as of the 2000 census, and is situated between Phoenix and Tucson. Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Jan 03 - 10:04 PM What intrigues me is how people are so sure of their own chosen customary view of reality, and how they defend it like cornered pit bulls. This is just as true of the people who consider GUEST to be loony as it is of GUEST himself. What it amounts to is that they are defending their very own conscious indentity, fearing its destruction if they should ever give in and yield their basic position to anyone. Those who believe any given proposition spend most of their energy seeking out info that supports that proposition and the rest of it heaping scorn on anything that doesn't, and NOT actually bothering to investigate it, beyond, perhaps, the most superficial glance or two, just to give themselves further ammunition for scorn. I'm aware of this tendency in myself, as well as in others. I watch for it. Therefore, I will consider any unusual viewpoint carefully, reconsider it, and reconsider it again. I will assess probabilities. I think GUEST is onto some very real stuff here. I don't necessarily think it's ALL real. But I don't absolutely for certain KNOW what parts are real and what aren't. I am not, however, afraid to give it all some careful consideration while I continue to think about it. And I watch the course of events, and try to see what little I can do to deal with it. The only things I know for absolute certain are the things I KNOW directly. Know what I mean? The rest is all someone's opinion...or someone's stated "fact", which may or may not be factual, depending on their intentions, their access to information, and a hundred other factors. I am continuing to consider what GUEST has said. If, Ebbie, as you say, there are six large camps set aside for "potential rioters" in the USA I would be VERY concerned. Genuine democracies do not build camps to house potential rioters, they address the social ills that might lead to rioting in the first place and they do something positive to cure those ills. The USA's response to increasing crime, social breakdown, and despair is to simply keep building more jails and hiring more cops. That is the response of a dictatorship in the making. The whole world can see it coming, and it's not good. I frankly believe your government has gone mad...in normal human terms...but not in their own, of course. And, yes, the forum is slowing down. Let's keep an eye on that too. I would be delighted to find out that things are WAY better and saner out there than I think they are. Absolutely delighted! Count on that. I like a peaceful, stable society. I hope it turns out that way. I would rather be healthy, happy, and prosperous (me and everyone else) than merely be "right" just for the sake of my precious little ego. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: harpgirl Date: 14 Jan 03 - 06:48 PM ...I am not aware of anyone ever successfully convincing a paranoid individual that his/her delusions are inaccurate. I am nevertheless, always fascinated with the highly creative way paranoids link their delusions together to prove vast conspiracies. Most amusing, really...this paranoid is quite talented at it, actually! (Incidently, fear is projected in this structure. Make the other person afraid or tell them they are!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST,Another guest Date: 14 Jan 03 - 04:56 PM I just went back to the start of this to see what the problem was. Someone was accused of half truth and rambling but then I went back to the start. There are stories there about politics. I only had to look at the first two to know whats going on here. I think the rest of you should go back to those and read them. This man or woman is right about the tyranny. I heard the first story read on Voce of America. They told the rest of the world Americans do not have any more rights. They read it on V.O.A. Every American should be screaming now. I think they're getting the world ready for the loss of America. America is an important symbol of freedom to the rest of the world and this is bad. I'm just another messenger so forget it if the other one can't get the point across. You read the storis for yourself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: stevetheORC Date: 14 Jan 03 - 04:54 PM MY GOD!!! I agree with a TROLL what is the world coming to it must be the Martians !!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 14 Jan 03 - 04:03 PM Guest; it is with fascination and dismay that I read every one of you posts. Half truths, exagerations and paranoid ramblings do not mix well with high anxiety rants... especially if you actually care whether you bring people in or not. Fact is, I can't tell whether you are trying to help us, or just mislead us... and after writing as much as you have, this is a bad reflection on your approach. I find your style to be pedantic, preachy, and fear-ridden. My guess is that you are not used to communicating with people, and very inexperienced at it... Make me care, Guest, don't give me this "you unthinking sheep" carp... there ain't nobody here but awesome, reasonably informed music-lovers... and if you can't talk to us respectfully, then get lost! (like you aren't already...) I do apperciate the work you've gone to though, it's quite impressive to see such volumes of vigor... you might want to spend a bit more time checking your sources... You are barking up the wrong tree here, Big Guy! ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: DougR Date: 14 Jan 03 - 12:51 PM It would be pretty difficult to sue someone if you didn't know who they were, right? Seems like a safe position to be in from your viewpoint guest. But you literally have me scared to death! The sky is definitely falling. And yet, we continue to feed you. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST,Forum Lurker Date: 14 Jan 03 - 12:49 PM There is a third way of viewing history, o nameless GUEST. Most people call it "reality." To assert that everything that ever happens is planned would be ludicrous. The Black Death, the annihilation of the first Native American tribes by smallpox, the eruption of Krakatoa or Mt. Saint Helens, all of these were clearly unpredictable and unplanned. While many events in history are planned, it is equally improbable that a single group could be responsible for all of them. The Gulag and the Nazi concentration camps were clearly designed by different agendas. The French and American revolutions were very different events, with very different causes. If a single force controlled the world's economy, media, and government, it wouldn't need 9/11 to control the American people. It could do a better job with simple control of the news and other mass-media programming. You need to take a long series of very deep breaths and try re-examining the evidence from a rational standpoint. Until you can make assertions based on verified evidence, your rants about the world banking cartel will be given no more credence than ravings about a Yid-Mason conspiracy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 03 - 12:45 PM It's been taken to a judge. Over and over and over again. The Bushes kill people who cross them, and no judge will allow a grand jury to go forward with these cases. The one big case that is being allowed is now stalled...the survivors of the WTC attack who refuse to take the govts. 1.8 million hush money and are suing...that case will drag on for twenty years. They HAD to allow that one, the Cheney said another terrorist attack WOULD occur if any more govt. resources were drawn away from the 'war on terrorism'. This forum is slowing down...hard for me to get to it now...slow. Your protector is doing what he can to save you from the truth. Use www.google.com and type in whatever you want to look for. Drudge Report has all the wire services. You can search AP, UPI, Reuters for breaking news. GoogleNews.com combines searches for all the wire services and returns results for headlines. I'll look for the piece on the graphite tattoos and post it if I can get back here. The President of China called the Fortune 500 the 'ultimate flower of Communism'. Don't you folks recall the push just a short while ago to 'chip' everyone in the U.S.? Our borders are wide open during this 'war on terrorism' (first thing you do in a war is close the borders), but Bush has INCREASED importation of foreigners from terrorist states and refuses to regulate the Mexican border. Yet he allows ALL repressive measures against U.S. citizens. His daddy was ambassador to China and head of the CIA, killed millions in Central and South America to set up his cocaine cartel and the 'war on drugs'. Figure it out for yourselves, folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST,Casual Observer Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:37 AM Please cite your source for your assertion about Chinese citizens being forcibly tattooed. I couldn't find anything on the Internet about that. Of course, that's probably a conspiracy, too. I agree with JennyO - if what you say is true, and you have indisputable proof, take it to a judge. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:34 AM Grand jury...people are trying. Judicial Watch. David Schippers: http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/Illumine.htm Read the interview at the URL above. David Schippers is a Republican. Lead impeachment attorney in the Clinton impeachment. Before that he kicked the Mafia's ass in Chicago. After the Clinton job was over, he went back to Chicago, and FBI agents began approaching him saying they were being reassigned and threatened over bin Laden. Schippers tried to use the Republican connections he had made in Washington to talk to people, but they all avoided him. Ashcroft, congressional leaders. More evidence that an attack was coming poured in, and he became frantic, but they STILL ignored him. Read that interview. And grand juries...I can't initiate proceedings because judges have overstepped the constitution and usurped the grand juries authority. And who are you going to appeal to on that? A judge? Even if I could convince a grand jury, no judge would set his family up for Bush retribution by allowing the case in his courtroom. So I speak out and hope for a lawsuit. Lots of people are doing it. LOTS of people...but there are still no lawsuits. The Bush junta just wants a little more time...no lawsuits...just a little more time until they can lauch smallpox and shut down American cities. Then the fun will REALLY begin. It's here, folks. While you're all watching the playoffs, our troops are being sent overseas so we'll have to rely on U.N. troops when the rioting starts. I hope I'm wrong, but I really do think it's that bad. And it was allowed to get like this because people just can't believe something so bad could happen in America. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Ebbie Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:25 AM Well put, troll. You are a compassionate man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:23 AM Here's why. I posted it on another thread, but I'll repost it here. This is just NEW news I found yesterday. Couple of stories relating to Sept. 11. Sept. 11 is the lynchpin. If it is focused on and pulled, the whole tyrannical plan will fall. The Bushes and Clinton serve the interests of gangsters and a global banking network. The Bushes also happen to be one of the crime families. The 20th century was just a series of wars whereby these powers consolidated their wealth, and now we're in the final phase of this consolidation. The plan is to turn the world into a 'global community' on the Communist Chinese model, where they are currently branding all citizens with graphite tattoos for easier tracking. Population will then be reduced to half a billion...the figure the U.S. estimates is needed to tend the planet. And the globalists needed a spectacular 'event' to get the ball rolling in America...an incident that would get Americans to trade liberties for rights, and an event that would kill enough foreigners to create outrage overseas. So, the Rockefellers sold all interests in the WTC they had built 41 years earlier, and a few weeks later the terrorists were allowed to board the planes. Those guys were trained by the U.S. military, ushered into the country on phony visas issued out of Saudia Arabia by the CIA, housed in FBI safe houses while here, and their names weren't in the FBI computers when they were pulled aside for random boarding checks on Sept. 11. The compartmentalized FBI field agents are good people, and they weren't allowed to do their jobs. Their supervisors sat on the reports handed in to them. Clinton and Bush policy was to let known associates of bin Laden travel freely and unhindered in the U.S. Sept. 11 was no accident. There are only 2 ways of viewing history...accidental, where things 'just happen', and conspiratorial, where events are planned. You'd have to be a fool to believe the people who control the world's money supply would let ANYTHING 'just happen'.: FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III has been asked by a senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee to justify an award he gave to an FBI official who refused requests by Minneapolis agents for a warrant to search the computer of terror suspect Zacarias Moussaoui. Sen. Charles E. Grassley, Iowa Republican, described as "shocking" Mr. Mueller's decision to give the Presidential Rank of Meritorious Service award to Marion "Spike" Bowman, head of the FBI's national security law unit. "By granting this award and a monetary bonus, you are sending the wrong signal to those agents who fought — sometimes against senior FBI bureaucrats at headquarters — to prevent the [September 11] attacks," Mr. Grassley said in a letter Thursday to Mr. Mueller.... http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030111-10797061.htm Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government abuse and corruption, said today that the Bush administration has failed to provide a complete and accurate response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request concerning the decision to place White House staff on a regimen of the powerful antibiotic, Cipro, the same day as the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. http://www.judicialwatch.org/2953.shtml (The people in the American government and intelligence community who assisted the terrorists on Sept. 11 are being promoted and given bonuses. Marion Bowman refused to let good field agents apply existing law to look at the hard drive. Bowman is directly responsible for letting Bush and Eberhart carry out the attacks...and now he gets a bonus of our tax money. For murdering innocents. I truly hope Grassley is as steamed as he sounds...I hope this isn't just another diversion. And Bush went on the antibiotic Cipro on Sept. 11. WEEKS before the 'anthrax attack'. Not only did he have prior knowledge the plane attacks were coming, he had prior knowledge the anthrax attacks were coming. Clinton was impeached over a blowjob, people. We have a slam-dunk case for mass murder of Americans against GWBush. And these stories are just the couple new ones I came across today. There are thousands of stories about government involvement in Sept. 11 and the anthrax 'attack' out there). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: JennyO Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:23 AM GUEST, you keep saying you could convince any grand jury - so why don't you? If what you are saying is true and believable, go ahead and do it! What good will it do telling us, even if some of us agree with you? Otherwise, it's just a lot of talk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST,Casual Observer Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:09 AM "I don't need tragedy and conspiracy in my life." Then pray, do tell us why you are going out of your way to foment them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 03 - 11:07 AM You folks are in SERIOUS denial. That's fine, most of the country is. I don't need tragedy and conspiracy in my life. None of us does. But NORAD's intercept system wasn't broken on Sept. 11. It worked exactly as it did. It was ready to go, but then someone caused it to stand down. That could only have been two people. Eberhart or Bush. Since Sept. 11, Eberhart has been elevated to Military Proconsul of America, and Bush has a repressive military system in place domestically...ready to be used by him or his successor. His old man set this final phase of global consolidation long ago. No one WANTS to believe the worst about their leaders, but ours are the bottom of the barrel. Anyway, I could convince any grand jury in the country, just on the NORAD, Eberhart bush information available on the internet, that he gave the order for the interceptor jets to stand down, and he either did it as a military coup, or he did it on the orders of the one man who could order him to. You folks are WAY too self-centered. Your kids are going to have to pick up the tab for your denial, and it won't be pretty. Wait til those five buck a day Paki mercenaries stop you at a checkpoint. Your wife's wedding ring will be equal to a years wages, so there goes the ring, the finger probably, and her life if she squawks. And those checkpoints have all been legislated...because of Sept. 11. You know what has REALLY happened, only you can't change your tune. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST,Casual Observer Date: 14 Jan 03 - 10:05 AM I don't think I could say it any better than troll did. Sometimes things just happen. There is no rhyme or reason, or any blame to cast. But as humans, we want to blame someone. We want to believe that surely someone is at fault here. The only people at fault for 9/11 are the hijackers, and they're already dead, so we can't get any revenge. I remember listening to the radio that morning. All the newscasters were in total and complete disbelief. So was I. I wasn't sure what I was hearing. A plane crash? And another? What's going on here? I didn't know. It didn't make sense. As our friend the Orc said above, if anyone had told you what was about to happen, would you have believed it? There are some who believe the same about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Sometimes things just happen. We shake our heads in disbelief and confusion, and in trying to make sense of things, blame whoever is convenient. But sometimes, there are no clear answers. I don't believe the government is out to get us. I don't believe there is a mysterious syndicate out to take over the world. People have come up with these conspiracy theories for years and years - if any of them were true, I think we'd have known by now. Of one thing I am pretty certain - it will be awhile before anyone tries to take down another airplane, because the passengers won't allow it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Troll Date: 14 Jan 03 - 09:14 AM GUEST, it pains me to have to say this, but you have been taken for a ride. Let me explain. You love this country and consider yourself a patriot. This is good. But part of your love is a refusal to see that this country is not perfect and that it's government sometimes drops the ball. But your country is a great country and great countries don't make errors. They can, however be betrayed, and that's what you felt in the face of 9/11. Betrayal. And, since 9/11 affected the security of the Nation, betrayal on the higest levels. The Nation had been betrayed; YOU had been betrayed. Never again can you go to sleep, secure in the knowledge that nothing could harm you. Of course, that's not been true for a long, long time, but you felt it was true. Until 9/11. The country had been attacked, security had been breached, and we had all been betrayed. At this point just about everyone in the country knew that our anti-terrorism intelligence apparatus had messed up badly but you NEEDED more. You needed someone to blame, some individual or some evil cabal that had stopped our defenses from preventing this tragedy and Osama bin Laden didn't fill the bill. How could some raghead be greater than the United States? No, it had to be an inside job and who better to run things than the Bush family. And so, using half-truths, mis-intertretations and outright lies, we come to the point that you are at now. The sites you cite as "proof" of your allegations are written by people just like you and that's why they are so easy to believe. They answer all your questions neatly and completely and you don't question them because it all just "fits". Let me ask you this. How do you KNOW what the orders are for scrambling the fighters when an airliner goes off course? You got it from a web site? And did you check that ONE PIECE OF DATa all the way back to it's source and then check out the source? Betcha didn't. Try it. try and go back to the origin of the post. Try and find the actualwording of the order and don't just accept the word of "Air Force Major John R. Smith." He may not even exist. In other words, GUEST< do some realintelligence gathering on your own instead of simply accepting what someone lese has said. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: stevetheORC Date: 14 Jan 03 - 05:04 AM Can I be a Tyrant please n I want one of de trucks to. Seriously folks, yep they knew that something was going to happen but if some one said to you 'hey they are going to fly a plane into the twin towers' would you believe it!! I doubt it, car bombs yes, letter bombs yes a bloody aeroplane no way!!! I was in the air when it happend and i did not believe it when told about it upon arrival at the airport, even though I had comented to my partner that 'summat was up' due to the actions of the cabin crew. They were scared. As for Guest if they wanted to take you out pal you would be history and no one would be any the wiser!!! Still want one of de trucks though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Ebbie Date: 14 Jan 03 - 03:10 AM 'How to Make Friends and Influence People', Page 312. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 03 - 01:53 AM http://www.infowars.com/resources.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 03 - 01:46 AM Eberhart is a mass murderer. That's like listening to Hitler's side of the story. If you weren't too LAZY to seek out the info, you'd know that EVERYONE in the Pentagon and in the Administration knew hijacking bombs were a possibility. Bush was TOLD at his ranch 6 weeks before Sept. 11 they were a possibility! He denied it, then someone leaked the story, then he admitted it. AND THE PENTAGON WAS HOLDING A DRILL ON THE MORNING OF SEPT. 11 FOR GUESS WHAT...A PLANE HITTING THE BUILDING! This stuff has been out in the open for SO long I can't believe you wouldn't be aware of it. Quit defending these murderers. Do some research if you are really ignorant. These people violated their oaths. They are destroying this country on orders from global gangsters. Go to the 'Prior Knowledge' section of www.infowars.com |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Ebbie Date: 14 Jan 03 - 12:06 AM GUEST, I read/process the information differently from you. And there are a number of assumptions you are making that don't seem substantiated in the links. * Two minute launch alert? Where did you read that? * A fighter jet was alongside Payne Stewart's plane ready to shoot it down if need be in 12 minutes? It is my understanding no one knows just when the cabin pressure failed, so where do you get the 12 minutes? * Concentration camps? Did you know there are and have been large camps held in readiness all across the country for years? There is one at Florence, Arizona, I'm told, (I went by there in 1969) and supposedly there are six altogether; I was told it had to do with potential rioters. It is nothing new. * Ralph E. Eberhart's career. Did you read his vitals? A long steady upward climb. His appointment to NorthCom would not be unexpected nor undeserved, on the basis of his recorded accomplishments. * In reading his speeches, one of the things that appears to come through clearly is that no one - at least no one official - thought anything like 9/11 could happen. Eberhart said that they were all focused on the potentiality of bombs and sabotage- that no one thought of domestic airliners as being in danger. * I agree with you that it's unconscionable that no one did- the scenario had been posited in Hollywood and had even been proposed politically as a possibility- but no one was listening. I gather you are an American; your anxiety comes through clearly. But mind your blood pressure. Seriously. Remind yourself we will all die only once, but die we must, however it comes about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST Date: 13 Jan 03 - 08:16 PM Of course they went up late. On a two-minute launch alert, but they went up an hour late. Orders were over-ridden. Who did it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Kim C Date: 13 Jan 03 - 05:29 PM It's my understanding that the jets went up, but they were too late. You must be terrified, too, or you'd take that bag off your head. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST Date: 13 Jan 03 - 05:04 PM See, you can't address the issues. You are terrified. Why did the interceptor jets not perform their functions on Sept. 11? You KNOW I'm on target here, and the result is going to be the death of your way of life. Unless you do something. If you are American, and you do nothing about the government-sponsored murders of Sept. 11, you are a traitor who will witness your family slaughtered, and you will die in a concentration camp and you will be reviled by those who gave you the Constitution and you will be reviled by those who write the history of the future. And you will have to remember this post as you go through the Auschwitz experience awaiting you. Explain, please, why the man who is now your god (and you damn well better treat him like one if he ever graces you with his boot on your neck), please tell me why he held the jets on the ground Sept. 11. I REALLY need to know why. Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Troll Date: 13 Jan 03 - 01:25 PM No GUEST, we are laughing AT you. troll ***BTW if you think that they would "...lose an officer in the process..." taking someone like you out, you have a much higher opinion of yourself than your present profile warrants. Or you watch too many old westerns on TV. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST Date: 13 Jan 03 - 12:27 PM With just the public sources available on the internet, I could present a case to any grand jury in the country and have them vote to go to trial for 'prior knowledge' against GWBush for the September 11 attacks. The evidence is so overwhelming, I could get any grand jury to vote to go to trial for, minimum, negligent homicide, because Bush did nothing to stop the attacks. And I could convince half the grand juries Bush had a hand in carrying out the attacks. There is a standard-operating-procedure for situations where airplanes go off-course over the U.S. Golfer Payne Stewart's plane depressurized a few years back, and everyone on board lost consciousness. That plane had a military interceptor jet alongside it in 12 minutes, ready to shoot it down if it threatened a populated area. On Sept. 11 the same system was set up and, according to Air Force releases on Sept. 10, fully-functional. Then, 4 large jetliners went off-course simultaneously. Over the most populous area of the nation. The FAA immediately grounded and re-routed all air traffic out of the corridors involved...cleared the air lanes for military aircraft. But no interceptors were launched. Standing orders to scramble under those circumstances, but no jets took off. Orders had to be OVERRIDDEN for that to occur. Generals Richard Myers and Ralph E. Eberhart were in command of the system that day. And it was Eberhart who was the man at the board when it happened. So either HE over-rode the standing intercept order, or his boss did. His boss is GWBush. Since Sept. 11, Eberhart was promoted by Bush to Supreme Commander of NORTHCOM, the new military entity which (the U.S. claims) controls ALL the armies of North America. And now Eberhart is agitating for repeal of the Posse Comitatus Act, the 1878 law which prohibits military forces to be used for peace-keeping jobs within the U.S. Motive, opportunity, payment after the fact. ANY grand jury in the U.S. would vote to try the people involved for THAT ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE...the interceptor jets not allowed to take off. And there are HUNDREDS of other pieces of evidence...stock market paper trails, hotel receipts, videos of ground zero, INS records, etc., etc., etc. You're not laughing at me. You're laughing at your own ignorance. Inform yourself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Ebbie Date: 11 Jan 03 - 03:49 PM I CAN PROVE G.W. BUSH KNEW THE SEPT. 11 ATTACKS WERE COMING! SUE ME IF I AM LYING! Reminds me of the National Enquirer/Globe/Star/whatever headline I saw: "Life After Death- GUARANTEED!" A guaranty implies paying up if the guarantee is invalid. If they are wrong, and there is no life after death there is no one to pay up. But you say you can 'prove' Bush knew. Proof is irrefutable, proof is PROOF. Just how do you propose to PROVE Bush knew? I am no fan of Bush- far from it. But I neither believe in nor share your kind of anxiety. You are yelling that the sky is falling and except for 'BUY GUNS', which admonition is shortsighted and silly at best and dangerous at worst. To add fuel to your paranoia, how are we to know whether or not YOU are a gov'mint agint and trying to kill as many hapless people as you can by hysterically advising us to buy guns as though you/we actually believed they had any deterrent effect against tanks, gases, bio weapons? The Great Lakes, for example...did you know they were used as collateral for a World Bank loan? Yep. This one is a real worry, all right. If we default on our loan agreement, a furrin gov'mint is going to send its operatives over here and take over the Great Lakes. And because we are such a nation of law and order, we're going to sit here and let them do whatever they wish- control our shipping and pleasure crafts, embargo our commmercial activities, spread out and attack us across the country- and just wring our hands. For pete's sake, GUEST, any country in which a physical entity resides is in the drivers seat, so to speak. I laugh, sir. I laugh in your face. And yes, I have been following your links. YOU are building a mountain of air from a small boulder indeed. Elva Bontrager |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST Date: 11 Jan 03 - 01:22 PM Lurker, do you really think they want to allow this?...I CAN PROVE G.W. BUSH KNEW THE SEPT. 11 ATTACKS WERE COMING! SUE ME IF I AM LYING! The reason I personally worry is because I know what kind of country the next generation of Americans will inherit. It's just not acceptable. The Constitution and Bill of Rights will be gone in 10 years if people don't act NOW. And our most valuable asset has already been destroyed. 85% of U.S. manufacturing has gone overseas over the past 30 years. And our current junta in the White House does nothing but suck the Treasury, with every new Executive Order and bill signed. We're not manufacturing, and we're spending. Bankruptcy is around the corner. And we are in debt to the World Bank. The Great Lakes, for example...did you know they were used as collateral for a World Bank loan? A loan we didn't need, but which our govt. took out anyway, just so the U.N. can eventually put troops on the lakes to take control when we default on the loan? The totalitarian world government which is coming (just the final phase of hundreds of years of consolidations and mergers) cannot allow freedom. That's how oppressive governments survive...through compartmentalization and 'need to know basis'. So the internet will be denied ordinary people. And the new feudal overlords will smirk at the memory of the last generation of Americans who had the WHOLE PLAN laid out in front of them but preferred to do nothing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Rustic Rebel Date: 11 Jan 03 - 01:00 PM Another thing a few of my friends and I were talking about the other day is the small pox vaccine. Is this also a way of getting to the poor and lower class? Don't worry about dying if you take the shot, worry about who can't afford it. Those are the people targeted for death when the US government releases the virus upon it's own people. Another step toward world domination and population control. Scary to even think about it. Peace, Rustic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST,Forum Lurker Date: 11 Jan 03 - 12:53 PM Alright, you're perfectly safe from the feds. Why worry so much then? The Internet really makes things much easier for a totalitarian goverment. If they destroy it, they'll lose their best tool for monitoring and control. And this ranting about destroying the American economy? Why do you think that anyone who wanted to rule tha nation would destroy its most valuable asset? A strong economy makes the country more worth owning and much easier to control. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: GUEST Date: 11 Jan 03 - 02:02 AM Our government terrorists are so busy running their bluffs on clueless people, that I'm SAFER speaking out than the clueless ones are. I've made my position known, and my mind obviously can't go back to the old delusional way of thinking, so rather than come after me the govt. will better utilize it's time keeping all the sleepwalkers sedated. Meanwhile, I live in Texas and have always known there was no back door out of the Alamo, so come and get me. But that wouldn't be too cost effective. Have to trace me, spend a couple days surveilling me and set up a plan of attack, shoot me and lose an officer in the process, then try to explain to my neighbors that when I wasn't walking the dog I was working for al Qeada (an explanation which would just wake up ten more people). Nah, there's no downside to speaking up about this tyranny. The globalists do it...they speak about their tyranny constantly. They mock us with their brazeness. They tell us about their plans daily, and you can see them doing it, if you know how to interpret the news. Most people are just too lazy to make the switch, though. The dream is easier. But it's hard work for the government. I woke up and I'm never going back. I can't go back in good conscience. I'd be a traitor to myself and my country. Whereas the government has to lie to the sleepers constantly...endless lies....hide the truth, admit it only when you have to, foreshadow a bit so the next attack will drive them into your arms. What a task. But sure, someday all dissent will be crushed. Maybe. They have FEMA cutoff boxes in all radio and TV stations licensed by the FCC now, and a couple months ago there was an 'attack' against 7 of the 13 backbone servers that power the internet. So someday, when our govt. nukes Houston or L.A. or New York, the internet will go down, and we'll be silenced. Meanwhile, why should they bother when so many citizens are willing to go to so much trouble to avoid the obvious. They have the psychology of this thing figured out. Except for the internet. And they CAN'T crash it right now, because that would put the collapse of the American economy ahead of schedule. So use the thing while you can. They're after the First Amendment, and when the internet goes, so does freedom of speech. "The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it." -- Joseph Mengele |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jan 03 - 01:25 AM Come on, troll. Do you realize how many people are out there chatting on the Internet, and saying "subversive" things, and how many sites there are saying subversive things, and how many agents would have to be employed full time to track them all down...and then what? No, I am not too worried yet. Besides, I live in a hut in Botswana. :-) Furthermore, as long as they can keep the majority of the American public befuddled, lobotomized, and umbillically connected to their babbling TV's, I don't think they really care about the rest of us. America's foreign policy certainly doesn't indicate that they do. Not in the least. Pal, you may just be living in the most self-absorbed nation in the history of the world, with the possible exception of North Korea. Blair is advancing one of the most unpopular courses of political action in British history, and he just keeps plowing ahead. I wonder how much they are paying him? Or...perhaps he has made a pact with the devil, and can't get out now without being flayed alive by hundreds of little red demons. (*wink) - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Tyranny? From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 10 Jan 03 - 11:42 PM The flaming guest is being paid to do what he's doing... he turned down the sniper position, even though he was amoung the first applicants... something about the safety issues I guess... nice handling job there 'cats! ... here in our little oasis of clarity and contentment! Meow... |
