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Subject: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Bobert Date: 23 Jan 03 - 02:49 PM Okay, so my wife, the P-Vine, asked me this morning to find out how many calories = 1 pound. Hey, I don't know. The ol' gal walks 2 miles a day on the treadmill and looks just fine to me but she says that she needs this information. Me and the Wes Ginny slide rule don't know much about that kind of stuff. Air correction jets of Holley carburators, how amny steps to the beer box, the chances of the Washingotn Bullets ever winning a play-oof game...well, that's our kind of problem... Now I would think that one's metgobolic rate should have something to do with this but maybe not. Is there a rule of thumb. You know, like 10,000 calories = 1 pound? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Ed. Date: 23 Jan 03 - 02:55 PM No, they measure different things. A calorie is a unit of heat or energy. It's the quantity of heat required to raise the temperature of one kilogram of water by one degree centigrade Weight (mass) measures something entirely different. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jan 03 - 02:58 PM Is she wondering how many pounds she can loose by cutting out a certain number of calories; or, how many calories she burns off, translated into pounds, when walking? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Susanl Date: 23 Jan 03 - 02:59 PM The number I always heard was 3500 calories per pound of fat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Bobert Date: 23 Jan 03 - 03:04 PM Well, Kat, I think so. Her dread, ahhh, treadmill has a counter on it and tells you how many fat calories you've burned up so I reckon what Susan1 has added is probably the answer I was looking for. Anyway, I think it will mean more to her than taking Ed's answer home. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester Date: 23 Jan 03 - 03:04 PM A fair question though. The more exercise people do (requiring energy measured in calories)the more weight (measured in pounds) they will loose. I am too idle to struggle with this, but I bet others can knock out the answer shortly |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester Date: 23 Jan 03 - 03:06 PM See people answered before I had finished. £%00 to the pound seems a bit optimistic, but who am I to .......... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Ed. Date: 23 Jan 03 - 03:07 PM I'm sorry that you didn't like my answer. For what it's worth, it happens to be the right one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Amos Date: 23 Jan 03 - 03:11 PM Point is, you have to specify a pound of what. Metabolizing is often measured in terms of calories (potential energy based on raising 1 kg of water 1 degree C, as mentioned by Ed). But different foodstuffs metabolize at different rates, and different activities change the rate of metabolism, and as far as body mass and rate of loss, there are a lot of other factors, such as glandular controls and psychosomatic issues that enter into the equation. That said, the figure for SWAG purposes is 3500 calories per pound of body weight as a rule of thumb. I don't know what the precision of this doctrine is, but it states if you use up 3,500 calories more than you eat, you'll lose ~ 1 pound. Here's a blurb from some colukmnist in Utica: Over time, your additional physical activities have created a caloric deficit. Some common daily activities and their calorie cost: Chopping wood: 2.3 calories per hour, per pound of body weight. Trimming hedges: 2.1 calories per hour, per pound of body weight. House cleaning: 1.6 calories per hour, per pound of body weight. Mowing the lawn: 2.7 calories per hour, per pound of body weight. Painting: 2.1 calories per hour, per pound of body weight. Raking: 1.5 calories per hour, per pound of body weight. Weeding: 2 calories per hour, per pound of body weight. Snow shoveling: 3.9 calories per hour, per pound of body weight. A 130-pound woman who performed one or a combination of these activities for an hour a day would create a 195 to 507 daily calorie deficit. On average, by performing these activities six days a week you would generate a 22-pound weight loss in a year. Although this is a relatively simple method for reaching one's ideal body weight, our society is preoccupied with instant results without exerting a great deal of energy. Regards, A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester Date: 23 Jan 03 - 03:12 PM Sorry, I liked it for its clarrity, but throw this in........ We could look at the calorific value on a pound of lard. Perhaps you have and in which case 3500 could not be doubted. But.... Loosing weight is about loosing fat, water, protein and so on. How does that shape up? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester Date: 23 Jan 03 - 03:13 PM Drat, beaten again, I resign |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: NicoleC Date: 23 Jan 03 - 04:17 PM Wouldn't that equation have to include the efficiency of the individual person's metabolism at utilizing calories? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Susanl Date: 23 Jan 03 - 04:23 PM Ed, Of course your answer is the right one. I wasn't disputing that. However, I think the question was about the energy value of food being measured in calories. As far as I know, it was science that chose to measure food energy in calories. If one consumes 3500 calories (food energy) MORE than one uses, one is left with 1 extra pound of fat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Noreen Date: 23 Jan 03 - 04:56 PM Your answer is of course correct, Ed, but... it wasn't actually answering the question that Bobert wanted answered. Sometimes a question needs translating, in order to provide the information required! Noreen, biochemist turned information scientist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Ed. Date: 23 Jan 03 - 05:00 PM Of course, Noreen. But sometimes... Apologies |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Bobert Date: 23 Jan 03 - 05:08 PM Ed, Hey, I liked your answer but I didn't think that was waht the P-vine, bless her heart, is lookin' for. She says she needs to loose an inch around here waste. Now that really complicates things 'cause how many pounds is an inch? Like I said, me the the Wes Ginny slide rule ain't sayin' nuthin' except, "You look great, P-Vine!" I mean, I know the rules here. But that inch thing does seem to throw in an extra variable. Like, to loose an inch in the waste for a 200 pound person verses a 150 pound person would seem to me to involve more pounds being lost by the heavier person because of that Pie-r-sqaured stuff and girth and gander and stuff.... Heck, this is way over my head... Okay, lets say the P-Vine is like 5'6' and weighs like 145 pounds and shbe wants to take one inch off her waste, given that for each 3500 caloric deficit at the end of her day and she looses that pound, how many pounds will it take to loose the inch? And I'm going to just let her read the responses later tonight 'cause I'm sticken with my "You look great!" line and ain't budgin' off it. But thanks fir all this help. She will be amazed to find that Catfolk ain't a bunch of knuckleheads... Well, so long as Dougie doesn't weigh (no pun intended) in on the thread... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Amos Date: 23 Jan 03 - 05:21 PM Bobert, Your diplomatic position is absolutely the right stance. Wise choice! :>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Bobert Date: 23 Jan 03 - 06:06 PM Okay, who's the wise guy (gal) who stuck the danged pop-up "diet" ads on this thread? Come on, come clean. You don't want us to get Mr. Ridge involved, do you? Or Johnny Poindexter? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: GUEST,nasty guest Date: 23 Jan 03 - 06:22 PM Someday I wish to have the diplomacy skills displayed by Noreen above. Your answer, Mr. Ed, was plainly wrong. You couldn't comprehend the question. You were talking to yourself (about eighth grade chemistry.) Get on the ball. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: GUEST Date: 23 Jan 03 - 06:34 PM Well Bobert, I agree that your answer to the P-Vine is the correct one and you should stick to it. In fact, the Body Mass Index currently favored by the medical folks doesn't consider a 5'6" woman overweight until she reaches 155 pounds, and Marilyn Monroe was 5'6" and weighed 150 lbs (eat your heart out Twiggy, Kate Moss et.al.). However, you can tell her that a female mudcatter who is her height and has been up and down the scales a few times finds that her waist changes about an inch with each 10 pounds she gains or loses. This is a very loose rule of thumb, and varies considerably depending on the amount of time I spend at my computer vs the amount of time I can spend in the hills with my husband and/or dog. But it should give her a rough guide. KateG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Alice Date: 23 Jan 03 - 06:41 PM Bobert, every body is different, so no one can predict what would take off an exact inch from a waist. The body will change with exercise as different parts of the body will use up stores of fat, but in women of a certain age and older, we have the issue of estrogen loss causing the body to store more fat on the abs. It's natural. Continued exercise without overeating will eventually bring greater fitness. The only way to take an exact amount off a specific spot is surgery or liposuction. I recommend the continued treadmill and adding 100 ab crunches every other day - do the abs crunches in 10 different positions, 10 reps each position, to target different parts of the waist. Alice |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Alice Date: 23 Jan 03 - 07:00 PM I also agree that 5'6" and 145 pounds is normal weight. The problem with the estrogen level change (that starts usually age 30 something then proceeds gradually as we get older) it is disheartening to suddenly realize that your abs do not respond to exercise and diet the way they did when we were younger. Perimenopause is a hard adjustment to a new shape. Since estrogen is stored in fat, some doctors will tell you that the new waistline/tummy is just your body's way of storing estrogen as the production of the hormone declines. (Sucks, doesn't it?) I've been told to just get used to the idea that my body will never be like it was when I was 21 no matter how much exercise I do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Dave the Gnome Date: 23 Jan 03 - 07:01 PM It's quite simple realy. All you need to figure out is if it takes 2 men a month to work a fortnight how many bananas in a bunch of grapes? (Clue - Don't forget to allow for the steam engine;-)) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Bobert Date: 23 Jan 03 - 07:25 PM Okay, thank you all. The P-Vine just looked over my sholder and read all your fine posts and then says, "Hey, these folks aren't idiots!" then went on to say that all her clothes are size 10 and she's gonna continue doing the abs thing every other day (Thank you, Alice) and continue to walking 2 miles a day and watch her caloric intake until she can get into her clothes comfortably. Hey, that's her job. Mine is to get her out of her clothes. So we all have to do what we have to do... (sigh...) Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Alice Date: 23 Jan 03 - 07:44 PM Remember that muscle is heavier than fat, so when you build muscle, you could see the scale go up instead of down. That is one reason I don't agree with the BMI calculations... if you are muscular and fit, you can have a BMI that says you are overweight when weight/fat really isn't a problem. Using a tape measure and feeling how your clothes fit is a better way to measure progress. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Gareth Date: 23 Jan 03 - 08:01 PM Waaaal - at the risk of being misunderstood, if your good lady wants to loose a few pounds of unsighly fat, divorce is an option !! Gareth ( An old joke and taking cover !!!) :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: Bobert Date: 23 Jan 03 - 08:22 PM LOL, Gar... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Diet/Math question... From: JennyO Date: 24 Jan 03 - 01:04 AM Here's some very important information (or not), from a book called "The Dieter's Guide to Weight Loss During Sex": Activity Calories burned MAKING THE FIRST MOVE Hiding Sex Manual 3 Seducing partner If you are shy 15 If you are rich 5 If you are poor 164 Fumbling around 4 Serious fondling 14 Blowing in partner's ear Using mouth 9 Using bellows 15 Using blow dryer (low setting) 2 Blowing in your own ear 158 INTERCOURSE AND THINGS RELATED Doing it for the first time 204 Doing it for the last time 1 1/2 Insertion If woman is ready 1/4 If man is not 274 Positions Italian: man on top, woman in kitchen 26 Russian: woman on top Man getting permission 55 American: both on top 60 Intercourse Moderate 15 Heavy 27 Merciless pounding 50 Blacking out 125 Orgasm Real 27 Faked 160 As for whether it works or not - who cares? Might as well experiment and have fun! Jenny |