BS: Shopping for a pretext to war

Subject: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: GUEST,Sunny Day
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 07:00 PM

It strikes me that the Bush administration has been all over the map this week looking for that perfect, just right pretext to go to war.

A few days ago, our fearless leader "was sick and tired" then "wasn't going to watch this movie"!

Yesterday, it was all about how the UN and our allies just didn't understand!

Today, it all depends on whether those inspections have been "productive" enough!

Won't you please help out our forsaken foolish leader, and mail him your "my favorite pretext for war" ideas today?

And it's 1-2-3 what are we fighting them for? Don't ask me I don't understand, how our oil got under their sand!

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 07:26 PM

the grate communicatator also tantrumed "this is like a bad movie, an Ahm not gonna watch it".

The pretext now is biological weapons but they stop short of admitting we gave them to Saddam to attack Iran. Here is the father and son legacy...
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushg.jpg


Here is the Rumsfeld pretext...

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/court1.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 08:00 PM

Well, danged, he ***gassed*** people, didn't he?

Oh, it was our gas and we were providing satilite imagry... Hmmmmm?

Well, he has *** weapons of mass destruction***, doesn't he?

Oh, we sold them to him... Hmmmmmm?

Okay, okay, he's a ***mean*** man, ain't he?

Oh yeah, to the innocent folks who died in Texas death chambers under Mr. Bush while he was Governor, Bush is probably not thought to be a sweetheart himself... Hmmmmmmm?

OKay, now I got it. He's "crawfishin" about his weapons of mass destruction.

Oh, I'm sorry, he was doing that 6 months ago and then Bush's PR firm recalled that term becuase is seemed a tad too redneck. Hmmmmmm?

Well, danged if I know....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: kendall
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 08:03 PM

I read somewhere that the USA supplied Germany with the gas that they used on the Jews. Does the profit motive know no bounds?

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 08:40 PM

Breaking news

Saddam was just caught going through an express check out with 20 items !!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 08:52 PM

We predict a big time, sure fire pretext will be unveiled in the next two to four weeks. It might have to be invented out of whole cloth but something will turn up.

Here's something we got in our e-mail:

"Why of course the people don't want war ...But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

-Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II

Berv and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: GUEST,Sunny Day
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 09:34 PM

Sorry, I forgot to mention! Your feckless leader needs your best and most favorite "pretexts for war" ideas ASAP! He'll be using them against the American people in his State of Union address on Tuesday! Hurry! Hurry!

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 11:10 PM

Pretexts? Aisle 23. You'll see a big hole in the shelf where the Domino Theory used to be before they discontinued it. Look just to the right of where it used to be and you'll see three or four different flavors of pretexts. Well, some of them may be sold out too. In fact, the only one that I'm sure we have in stock right now is the "Fuck you! I'm the President!" flavor.

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 11:31 PM

"two little Iraqi boys threw a rock at our massed 60,000 troops...what could we do but respond?"

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: GUEST,Richard H
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 11:57 PM

With reference to Bev and Jerry's Goering quote, could I ask this: should a people be held responsible for their government's actions?

German people were intensely disliked around the world long after Hitler and Co had departed.

Now we have a situation where many of us feel Americans are great people but their present government sucks big time.

When the bombing starts, however, people and gov't will be lumped together on the grounds that, in the world's most acclaimed democracy, Bush couldn't go to war if the majority didn't want it.

Would this be a fair assessment? Could Americans do anything besides protest marching to stop Bush? Like shutting down the country as the Venezuelans have done? Or don't they want to?

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: NicoleC
Date: 25 Jan 03 - 01:02 AM

Truth is, Bush doesn't need a majority of public opinion to go to war. Theoretically, Congress declares war and they ARE the public opinion. But Congress is being a bunch of weenies right now.

So until the next election? Not much. We can't strike -- the military already has all the munition, etc. they need (this isn't WWII). Refuse to pay taxes? Too slow.

Protests have worked in the past, though, if not as quickly as we would like -- politicians having their own skin first and foremost in their mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: Mrs Cobble
Date: 25 Jan 03 - 04:11 AM

1 jumbo box of UN advice.

1 case of common sence

1 hearing aid to hear what most of the world are trying to tell him.

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Jan 03 - 02:44 PM

A few weeks ago a prominent national politician said in my presence, "Of course Bush knows what kinds of weapons Saddam Hussein has. After all, we have the receipts!"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: GUEST,nice guest
Date: 25 Jan 03 - 03:52 PM

That Goering quote is great. The ellipses were well placed, but it also reads very well with the full text, in which Goering emphasizes how obvious, universal, and well known his proclamation is; not some novel idea of his own:

>>>>We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his attitude, I did not think that the common people are very thankful for leaders who bring them war and destruction.
"Why, of course, the *people* don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the *leaders* of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." <<<<<<

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jan 03 - 06:35 PM

1 hearing aid to hear what most of the world are trying to tell him.

Excellent idea, Mrs. Cobble. If we each got hold of a used/damaged/discarded hearing aid and we mailed them all to the White House along with a note I wonder if he might listen? Bizarre enough that the national media might pick up on it- who knows where it might end?

After Tuesday's State of the Union address, if we have not been told that WAR HAS OFFICIALLY BEGUN, we should have a little more time. I'm going to scout around for as many hearing aids as I can find and get people signed on for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo
Date: 25 Jan 03 - 06:50 PM

According to Condi Rice, now _plagiarism_ is a high crime:

Condi stated in a N.Y. Times Op-Ed contribution that:

"Iraq's declaration even resorted to unabashed plagiarism, with lengthy passages of United Nations reports copied word-for-word ... and presented as original text." She continues: "It is a reflection of the regime's well-earned reputation for dishonesty and constitutes a _material_ breach of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441..."

Does the Bush administration's National Security Advisor really think that plagiarism is now grounds for attacking a country and bombing its people? Has this administration gone totally insane???

Cheers,

                            -- Arne Langsetmo

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: JennyO
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 07:20 AM

This thread reminds me of a song - "Feel like I'm fixin' to die rag", by Country Joe - "...and it's one two three, what are we fighting for, don't ask me, I don't give a damn - next stop is Vietnam...". It's in the Digitrad, and a whole bunch of threads.

May have been written a while ago, but still apt today.

Some things never change, or just seem to be recycled in a slightly different form.

Subject: RE: BS: Shopping for a pretext to war
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 09:52 AM

Now we have a situation where many of us feel Americans are great people but their present government sucks big time.

When the bombing starts, however, people and gov't will be lumped together on the grounds that, in the world's most acclaimed democracy, Bush couldn't go to war if the majority didn't want it.

Would this be a fair assessment? Could Americans do anything besides protest marching to stop Bush? Like shutting down the country as the Venezuelans have done? Or don't they want to?

I don't think we could shut down the country even if we wanted to. And if we did, I don't think that would prevent war on Iraq. All that would be needed to bring the people of the US back into compliance would be another "terrorist" attack on US soil. But it might be a little bit less easy for the US government to wage war on Iraq if they weren't getting so much help and moral support from Tony Blair and the British government.