BS: In support of our servicemen and women..

Subject: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Beccy
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 05:03 PM

I wanted to let any Mudcatters who are (or have loved ones who are) servicemen or women involved in the looming conflict know that you're in our prayers.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 05:08 PM

I have 2 nephews, a niece, and 2 children (all 19 & 20 years old) of our closest family friends, either in the Gulf or on their way.

While I appreciate your prayers, I would ask you also do all you can in your power to prevent this war, ie write to your congressional representatives, the president, and talk to everyone you can about doing all they can to prevent this war--your church, civic organizations you may belong to, your workplace, etc. and ask people what they are doing to prevent this war from happening, and bringing our children home safely.

That would make me feel even better.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Beccy
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 05:14 PM

GUEST... I have a cousin with whom I am very close in the gulf and a friend on the way. None of them/us WANT the war to occur, but they are prepared to do their job and that is what I was offering up in prayer.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: mg
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 05:23 PM

Prayers from this corner of the ocean. I would go in one of their places if I could, but they are strong and young and skilled. Someone once said we never realize how much of our freedom rests on the shoulders of the 19 year olds. mg

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: TIA
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 05:33 PM

I am proud of all of them, and hope that they all come home safe and sound. I hope our leaders do everything they can to make sure they return whole.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 05:34 PM

Beccy, if you can't accept my pleas, then how sincere are you really? You are willing to pray for these kids, but not do anything to prevent this war from happening, and bring them home?

Not one of the 5 kids I know that have all shipped out since Christmas (when we last saw all of them), wanted to go to the Gulf. Not one. They were all terrified, and wishing they hadn't joined at all. They all joined out of a false patriotic euphoria in the wake of 9/11 (recruiters were busy last year).

Two of the kids actually told their parents they felt they were entrapped--pressured to join by recruiters. One of those two kids enlisted without telling their parents, knowing the parents would try and talk him out of it--he joined as a sort of petty teen rebellion, out of anger, without realizing what the true consequences of his actions would be.

Sorry, but I don't support this so-called mission. I love and support all those kids, but I sure as hell don't support what they are doing. I'll support the individuals, but I'm not supporting the militarists.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 05:41 PM

My wife and I alternate days in leading our morning prayer sessions but both of us have been asking God to be with our servicemen and their families. We also pray that God will speak a little louder in the hearts of those who have become so hardened off to God's will that these people will open their hearts to what HE wants of them. Now, since we are discussing prayer. I would also ask those of Faith to take a moment to ask God to be with the Iraqi people who are in danger of being killed and their loved ones as well. The pain of loss or injury is equally great among our adversaries and we are all children of God.

And lastly, I do not mean this to sound confrontational because it is not intended to be but the God I know and love takes no ones side in a war.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: TIA
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 05:42 PM

Ditto...despite the rantings of Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly et al., it IS possible to support our troops without supporting the bastard who is marching them off to...?

To all our people in the military -- do what you must to come home safely. We will cheer you on arrival.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Beccy
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 05:53 PM

Flame me all you want, GUEST... I was not being confrontational- I was simply offering these people up in prayer. Of course I pray the war does not happen. This is not the thread where I am discussing the case for or against war. You can check out my other postings if you want to take up this discussion elsewhere. I wanted a thread that simply said I was praying for all involved.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 05:55 PM

I would also like to suggest a third way--refuse to report for duty. Refuse to go. And try and organize your fellow soldiers to do the same, in protest to this war. Counsel your friends and relatives not to enlist, not to support the war. Speak out against the war. Keep thinking about the Iraqi people, as Bobert says.

The most heart breaking aspect of visiting with the kids over Christmas, was their awareness that they were being told they would have to kill people they knew were guilty of nothing more than being Iraqis, living in Iraq.

That is a horrible, horrible thing to make our children do. We all know what that did to the veterans of other wars. I work with a teacher who is a vet of the first Gulf War. He is counseling his students not to join the military, and I often see him and his family at area anti-war rallies.

I am praying like hell and supporting those I know and love who may end up fighting (only 3 of our kids would be on the front lines). They all know we love them no matter what. But it is the "no matter what" I don't want anyone to have to live with for the rest of their lives. Not our troops, not Saddam's troops, and not the innocent Iraqis caught between the two. And I'm praying hardest for George Bush and Saddam Hussein, BTW.

They need more than just our prayers. They need us to stand up and speak out against this war.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 05:59 PM

The prayers will be felt and understood by those who need them.

I have several friends (mostly Marines) who have a different outlook on this thing, and can't wait for it to start. One has painted "Allah is Pissed" in Arabic on the side of his command Hummer. Another said he wants the Iraqis to burn another American flag in front of him; says he will shoot low, so they're still alive when he pours the gas on them. Saw a bumper sticker in Martinsburg today, says "Iraq First, Then France." Another has pasted the pictures from Life magazine of the people jumping out of the World Trade Towers on the inside of his Bradley with another popular bumper sticker, "Muslim Terrorists Should be Judged Only by God, We Intend to Arrange the Meeting".

West Virginia is sending their best. They've said their prayers, comforted their wives and children, and going to show the Arab world the meaning of "Jihad".

And the only tears I feel, even as I write this, is when I think, "God, I wish I could go with them..."

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:03 PM

Well, in principle the Mudcat is a global community. That means "our" means servicemen and women everywhere, including Iraq.

And I join in hoping the best for all of them. None of them had any share in making this happen, if it happens.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:03 PM

Yeah, killing people really cheers some of you macho types right up, I can tell. Feeling nostalgic for "kill 'em all, let God sort them out" there, eh Claymore?

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:15 PM

I have received word that the National Guard unit with which I was activated in 1968 (and the unit subsequently went to Vietnam) has been activated. These are my former neighbors and current relatives.

Like Lincoln, when he was in the House of Representatives during the Mexican War, I will do all in my power to support the troops -- and like Lincoln, I cannot support this War.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST,Older Eyes
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:17 PM

Oh Beccy, if it was only that simple. It isn't though. The vast majority of the world think that WE are the insane purveyors of weapons of mass destruction. Despite all the jokes about the French being disloyal and stupid, I'm afraid it's George Bush who is seen as a cruel and unfunny joke. We've blackmailed some countries into APPEARING to be our allies, but I think we know how legit that alliance is. Respected Black people seem horrified at what Colin Powell and Condaleesa Rice are condoning, and there's even talk of keeping young American casualties OFF the nightly TV screens by having 'crematoria' over there in the desert!

This is NOT WW II, it is much more like Vietnam, and it is absolutely unneccessary. Sanctions could have a much greater effect. I'm afraid if you're looking for a simple "go git 'em boys" kind of prayer, it won't happen. Perhaps those folks who are only capable of seeing things like this this in the simplest of terms possible will feel that everything's going the way it should, but The prayers and endless singing of "Amazing Grace" will come later.

Older eyes

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: nutty
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:22 PM

My prayers are that the politicians (on both sides) will listen to the voice of reason.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Peg
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:26 PM

Claymore; those Marine "buds" of yours sound like sick fuckers...I'm not sure such trigger-happy morons should be allowed to wieldd weapons in combat.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:42 PM

We have one son on a fast-attack sub, tending its powerplant. He hasn't returned a call for a couple of days, and may be out to sea already. I'd rather have him out there, to tell you the truth-- he's based at Pearl Harbor.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:52 PM

And yet Peg, I hope the Iraqis are thinking the same thing (whatever "wieldd" means...).

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:52 PM

Peg:

I'm with you. I remember the words of a retired Army Sargent who was a drill sargent at the military school I attended: "If I was ordered to shoot my mother, and my father and all my brothers and sisters, I'd do it without a thought!"

Things like that kind of stick in a 17 year olds head and never go away.

There does seem to be a de-humanization that does occur in many folks who have been in the military. But its not everyone that serves. My best male friend is an ex-Marine who fought in Vietnam and is now a very peaceful person, with no desire to kill anyone. My cousin, who also is an ex-Marine (he say's there is no such thing as an *ex*Marine) got his butt blown up pretty good in Vietnam and lost one leg is like Claymore. He'd go in heartbeat.

No rhyme or reason.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: harvey andrews
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 06:52 PM

All the invocations of God could just as equally come from the perceived enemy. Humanity has fought for ever over which God is the right one.Millions have died for their God. Prayed to their God and been defeated,destroyed, eradicated.The victors always say it proves their God is the right God.Their God heard their prayers.Then they to are defeated, destroyed, eradicated, their prayers unheard. It's been going on for thousands of years.And here we are with all our knowledge of the past with two sides saying the same prayers and defending the same deeds in the name of a God. Does humanity progress on any level except technology?

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: toadfrog
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 07:05 PM

No, Harvey. I sure don't think so.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 07:24 PM

And then there are Marines like my uncle who killed so many, by order, in WWII, that he was so haunted by it and the shrapnel he carried close to his heart which could have killed him at any moment according to the docs, that he finally killed himself with a gun after many, many years of pain, nightmares, and alcoholism.

These kids our rogue government will send to war don't have a fucking clue what they will be ordered to do. It is sickening to hear them on the news and elsewhere bragging about how "this is what we were trained to do. Now we can't wait to go do it!"

Yes, my thoughts go out to those who are in the war, but so do they go out to ALL of life on this planet as we are all related! Sorry, Beccy, for the rant.

Mitakuye Oyasin,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 07:27 PM

Someone -- I don't remember who, but a noted historian -- was asked back in the '30s to write a define "civilization" in fifty words or less. He responded that civilization was like a beautiful city, sitting next to a river down which always flowed a trickle of blood; sometimes, he added, the river overflows. Whatever company asked him to write it didn't use it in the ad campaign they had planned....

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 09:44 PM

Even though I know drawing attention to this article may be considered by some to be quite controversial, even provocative, I will still suggest people posting to this thread, have a look at this article reprinted at the Common Dreams website. It is quite relevant to this thread.

It begins with this:

Published on Sunday, February 9, 2003 by the Boulder Daily Camera

Support the Troops? Why?
by Clay Evans

Imagine that you live in Nazi Germany, but you and your friends oppose the government, which possesses the mightiest military force in Europe, perhaps the world.

Now Adolf Hitler rumbles ominously about war. You know that the likely first targets of attack — places like Poland and Luxumbourg — pose no immediate threat to your security. You oppose further aggression. But on Sept. 1, 1939, tinny radio broadcasts announce a German invasion of hapless Poland, whose piteous soldiers try to fight Panzer divisions with mounted cavalry.

Oh, well. Time to "support the troops" and lay aside your religious, moral and practical convictions. War has begun!

Got a problem with that?

You can read the rest of it here:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0209-01.htm

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 10:16 PM

Damned.....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: mg
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 10:25 PM

Yes, in some ways you should support troops conscripted or coerced into doing very bad things. You should provide medical care for them, and food, and re-orientation. Some might need to be locked up forever..I don't know. But they still deserve some humane treatment. Most of the troops are just people who happen to be born on the wrong side of the river. Best not to be too righteous folks...there are few among us who could resist the sort of threats that these troops were under if they did not comply..threats not just to themselves but their families. I know that I personally could stand imprisonment; I know I could not withstand torture for very long. mg

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 11:33 PM

I'm not at all sure this war will be a clean war and a fast one as many think. I believe all the young idealistic soldiers in the Civil War were commonly refered to as 'cannon fodder' by the more experienced ones. By the way, what are the ones that are allergic to Atropine supposed to do? Yeah, I guess I'll pray for them. Flame me if you want, I'll also pray for the Iraqis.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Beccy
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 08:59 AM

Good grief- people. I just wanted to tell the young men and women that I was thinking of them. Why a great many of you need to turn this into a "why Beccy is diluded-fest" I don't know. Like I said, if you want to take me up on a discussion of yea or nay on the war- bully for you, but please do it on another thread.
Some things are just as simple as their presentation. This is one.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: JedMarum
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:10 AM

A simple wish, a simple prayer Beccy - too bad it is not allowed at Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:29 AM

Beccy, I said that I support "the trooops", not just "our" troops. The grunt, the ground-pounder, the dogface, the gravel-cruncher -- whatever you can him or her -- isnt' their government. Your wish is simple, and I agree. Politicizing is fine (albeit boring at times), but please, not here.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:42 AM

It's all politics in the end, the politics of industrial religion as much as the politics of industrial governments. Sitting on a thread and making it stick right on a narrow topic can be a thankless task.

One hopes for unconditional love from close family members and dear friends; from all others, it IS conditional. And layering war into the question of love is very complicated.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:05 AM

They are all "our troops", whatever side they are on.

And supporting them means doing what we can to avoid them getting killed, and killing other people, and in refusing to do things that are wrong, or turn them into people like that Drill Sergeant Bobert mentioned - "If I was ordered to shoot my mother, and my father and all my brothers and sisters, I'd do it without a thought!"

And it means not forgetting them or turning our heads from them if they come back damaged inside or out.

It can still be stopped.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:11 AM

Support the troops...our sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers, literally and metaphorically.

Oppose the war (if there is a war) if you wish to do so. This is still a free country, regardless of the opinions of a few people, and is likely to remain one.

If you choose to exercise your right to demonstrate, please don't do it outside the gates of a military base....this is where the families of those deploying live and they don't need the extra grief. Go to the the offices of the politicians and make your opinions heard. That's why Federal Buildings were built with that big patio outside.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:17 AM

Yes, Beccy, your request is a simple one. Unfortunately you have come up against those for whom it is not possible to allow this. Happened before when we tried to ask folks to take a few moments and just remember those who lost their lives defending what they believed to be their way of life. The GUEST who goes by many names, but I just call her MATRIOT, just can't let folks have that. She is able to distinguish the fact that we aren't supporting war, just asking that we pray for the young ones. But she chooses to be disruptive. She can't help herself, as she couldn't here. My best advice is to just ignore her. That way she deludes herself into thinking she won something, while we really are just ignoring the posts.

I will absolutely pray for the safe return of these young ones. And I will pray for peace instead of war, for wisdom instead of brashness, and for the men, women and children of Iraq. And I will take steps to voice opposition to this madness. But I will do that where it counts, not here.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: jimmyt
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:47 AM

Art and Mick, Thank you for voicing these last posts as people who may or may not agree, but have the decency to respect all their fellow men and women, not just those with like opinions. Art, I especially appreciate your mention of marching and protesting all you want but avoiding those places which will be disruptive to the sons, daughters, parents and loved ones of the fine men and women who are protecting all of our freedoms by serving in the armed forces.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Llanfair
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:53 AM

The issues are too complex for me. I'm not politically minded.

I DO know that my eldest son is in the RAF, his wife is 8 months pregnant with their second child, and he has been sent to a base too far to travel home daily. My heart aches for my daughter in law, on her own with a 3 year old all week, an having no idea what is happening next.

He can't wait to go to war.

This also is too hard for me to understand.

Cheers, Bron.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:54 AM

You can't protest around any Federal Buildings. Those nice large plazas have been off limits since Timothy McVeigh pulled his Ryder truck up close to the front door the the Murrah Federal Building in Ok City.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 11:19 AM

And let us please remember in our prayers, the brave anti-war activists who are now going into Iraq to act as human shields.

As to demonstrating around military installations, the feds won't allow it for the forseeable future anyway, so the point is pretty moot.

Personally, I think this whole "support the troops" thing is being used too manipulatively as a ploy by pro-war factions to be very credible.

Most of us here can likely name at least one person in the US military among our families and friends. To suggest that we aren't supporting our troops when we oppose the war is absolutely ludicrous.

We can simultaneously support our troops, and oppose their mission. That is our duty as citizens in a democracy, if we are opposed to the mission.

The mission isn't the troops, and vice versa.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: *daylia*
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 11:34 AM

Nutty said "My prayers are that the politicians (on both sides) will listen to the voice of reason." That's an excellent place to start, but is it realistic? As Charles Walters said,

"Most people would rather swallow lies than the truth, especially if the liar has authority, and the dis-information is soothing, like a fine liqueur."

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 11:36 AM

How interesting, Matriot. If you were to go back to the Memorial Day thread, you were opposed to those of us who were making that distinction. But now it is OK. Glad to see you that you have changed.

In my weekly prayers of the faithful I always pray that people of conscience, especially those who act on it instead of just talking about it, never lose their courage and that The Greatest One always looks on them with special love.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 11:42 AM

Another problem many Americans seem to be having is that they cannot see how diplomacy could work in this circumstance, because of the Beltway propaganda being so bloody good. Many Americans have brainwashed by the propaganda into believing there are no diplomatic solutions to be found on this issue.

Nothing could be further from the truth, and people who reside outside the US, who aren't being bombarded with war propaganda, can see this very clearly.

So, just keep in mind Euro Mudcatters, that the majority of the American public supports this war, because the propagandists have told them they have to support this. And the US military/industrial propagandists are very, very good at what they do, which is to dominate the daily news. There is plenty of excellent writing and debate occuring, even being done by the mainstream press. But it never makes it onto the US daily news programs. Never. Only the executive branch and the Pentagon have that power to control our airwaves.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 11:48 AM

Matriot, that isn't true. But why don't you take this to a different thread instead of hijacking this one? For a minute there I thought you really wanted to change, but clearly you don't. Please, let this thread be for what it is intended instead of hijacking it.

Start another for the purpose of discussing propaganda, and let Beccy have this thread for what it was intended. Waddya say?

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: gnu
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 11:51 AM

I'm with you Beccy.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 11:54 AM

I'm with Beccy too. Now, can those of us who are with Beccy also offer our support to the Iraqi civilians and the anti-war activists who are, as we speak, bravely risking THEIR lives to prevent the slaughter of Iraqi civilians by our children?

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: DougR
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:01 PM

Beccy: thanks for starting this thread. I, like many others, regret that your simple request is being treated by many as an invitation to simply repeat what they have already written ad nasuem in other threads regarding to the possible war with Iraq.

Mary: I'm sure you are aware that the young people from the U. S., at least, who will fight this war if it is fought, were not conscripted. They were volunteers, and anyone who volunteers and is not aware they may be called on to fight is simply not facing facts.

My prayers, Beccy, certainly go out to any and all who maybe be called on to free the people of Iraq.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:04 PM

From Reuters:

Iraq Grants Anti-War 'Human Shields' Entry Visas
Tue February 11, 2003 09:40 AM ET

ANKARA (Reuters) - A group of around 50 Western anti-war activists received visas Tuesday to enter Iraq where they plan to form "human shields" in an effort to deter a possible U.S.-led attack on the Arab state.
The volunteers said at an impromptu news conference in the Turkish capital they hoped their presence and the possibility of Western casualties would encourage U.S. political leaders and military planners to re-think any plans to bomb Baghdad for its alleged development of weapons of mass destruction.

"I am an American human shield on this trip to Baghdad to try and stop this war," said volunteer John Rosse.

"I ask American troops headed here...not to come, they have no business being here. They do not make good ambassadors. They are here to kill, murder, devastate the civilian population of Iraq. That is not an American thing to do."

The group is traveling across Turkey in a convoy, including a red double-decker bus, that is expected to cross into Syria on Wednesday before entering Iraq. The volunteers left London late last month and headed overland across Europe.

On arriving in Iraq, they plan to disperse to populated areas of Baghdad and other parts of the country. Critics have said they are naively playing into Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's hands.

Turkey last week deported Ken Nichols, a former U.S. marine who helped organize the "human shields" campaign, after he tried to enter the country using documents describing himself as a "citizen of the world."

Edward Cranswick, a seismologist who works for the U.S. government, said he wanted to raise awareness among Americans.

"I believe I am doing a small bit to raise attention, particularly (among) the American public...I want to be a human being alongside the Iraqis and that will get the attention of Americans," he said.

Read the rest of the article here:

Reuters article on anti-war activists acting as human shields

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:06 PM

I think these brave warriors for peace are just as deserving of our prayers--they are our troops too.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 01:49 PM

No prayers for those Americans acting as human shields, eh? Well, I can see how selective some people's prayers are. Talk about hypocrisy.

Subject: RE: BS: In support of our servicemen and women..
From: GUEST,Norton1
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:09 PM

Prayers always outbound for the troops.

Matriot - Why don't you go be a shield if you feel so strongly? Talk about hypocracy - -

Steve