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Subject: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 27 Feb 03 - 03:37 PM There was already a thread started on this subject, but because it did not pass Mr. Offer's inspection he came to the conclusion that it was "useless horsehit" (direct quote) and moved it to THIS THREAD. As we are playing in Max's park and Joe has been designated by Max to referee our little games, I'm bowing to Joe's authority and taking his suggestion to start a new thread on the same subject. If he wants to delete the first paragraph of this post, that's okay with me. Here is a link to a news story about The Justice Department arresting 55 people in a nationwide crackdown of "narcotics paraphernalia" (mostly Marijuana pipes) sales on the Internet. CLICK HERE. Here's my opinion on the subject: At least half of the people in The United States have smoked Marijuana at some time in their lives, and many do so now. Most of those people are not low-life stoner pot-heads. They are responsible members of society who like to slightly alter their state of consciousness using a substance which our government has deemed so harmful as to declare it illegal, but which is, in fact, less harmful than alcohol, a legal substance. Furthermore, our government has determined that any material or device which it feels has been produced for the purpose of ingesting Marijuana into one's system is also illegal. I find the whole idea of declaring such devices illegal absolutely absurd. As one who smoked Marijuana in his youth, I can tell you that I made pipes from toilet paper cores, Bic pen barrels, PVC pipe and assorted plumbing fittings. I also rolled joints in toilet paper, tampon wrappers, credit card receipts and onionskin typing paper. My point is that it is useless to declare a particular item illegal because of a use to which it may be put when there are an infinite number of perfectly legal items that will serve the same function. I particularly feel that the Justice Department is wasting its resources on pursuing such relatively trivial transgressions. In the current climate, their busting people for selling bongs is the equivalent of the cops stopping someone for running a stop sign while there are rival gangs having a shoot-out in the intersection. Most importantly, I am extremely concerned over the fact that the business records and computer hard-drives of the people who were arrested are now in the hands of The Justice Department. That means that for anyone who ever purchased anything from them, Mr. Ashcroft and his crew now have their credit card numbers, names, and addresses and that they have been identified as drug users and are subject to surveillance. I doubt that even someone as reactionary as Ashcroft would think that a record of someone purchasing a hash-pipe on the Net would be grounds for a search warrant, and I certainly hope that no judge would sign a warrant based on such evidence. But they can certainly monitor your comings and goings, find out who your visitors are from their license plates and generally snoop around in your life until you make a mistake that they can nail you for. And some of the folks who made such purchases may well be our own friends and family members. Bruce Makes a lot more sense, Bruce. Here's your message from the "Purple Haze" thread. -Joe Offer- Thread #56705 Message #899468 Posted By: Bee-dubya-ell 26-Feb-03 - 05:31 PM Thread Name: BS: Miscellaneous Iraq- Feb 2003 Subject: RE: BS: Terror Alert Level: Purple Haze!
Yeh, I heard about those busts on NPR. Wonder how many convenience stores are going to stop selling cigarette papers for fear of getting popped. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: GUEST, Ernest C Date: 27 Feb 03 - 03:51 PM Yes, useless horseshit. Not music, not music related, not folklore, not . . . Joe was right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: GUEST Date: 27 Feb 03 - 03:52 PM Hey Pot head. Where does drug money go to? To buy guns and bombs for terrorists. |
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Subject: . From: Jack the Sailor Date: 27 Feb 03 - 03:59 PM Rolled a joint in a Tampon wrapper??? What were you smoking????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Bobert Date: 27 Feb 03 - 04:07 PM Well, seriously speakin' here, the intolerance of the American people seems to be increasing. That does not bode well tor the basics: freedom and liberty and all that stuff. At some point in time the country wil implode from its own intrusions into the personal lives of ordinary, hard workin', tax paying citizens. Persecuting and prosecuting *victimless crimes* does no appreciably alter the collective behavior of society but does cost our econmoy billions and billions of dollars that could be better spent on better schools in the inner cities and a decent and *affordable* healthcare sysytem for America's working class. With the warloards taking back massive chunk's of Afgan real estate and women starting to be oppressed (al la the Taliban) by the *good guys* I would think that prioritizing pot users as terrorists or terrorist supporters is not only a stretch but purdy danged stupid. So what is Johnny Ashcroft gonna do next? Bust people for having mathes in their pockets? Give my stoned butt a break... (Well, not exactly "stoned" since I've kinda outgrew the stuff, but you know what I mean.) Beam me up... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 27 Feb 03 - 04:33 PM Yes, useless horseshit. Not music, not music related, not folklore, not... Please click on my name above and see my track record for posting on this forum. I think you will find that at least half of my posts are directly related to music. Sorry that my knowledge about folk music is not so encyclopedic as to be able to offer input to every music thread that appears here. And if pot isn't part of our contemporary folklore....(same ellipses you used) Hey Pot head. Where does drug money go to? To buy guns and bombs for terrorists. #1 - Haven't touched the stuff in at least 15 years and will gladly take a piss-test to prove it. #2 - The only reason that pot money circulates in illegal circles is that the government has forced it there. #3 - You're an unidentified GUEST so I can call you an asshole. You're an asshole. Rolled a joint in a Tampon wrapper??? What were you smoking????? JTS - Don't tell me you never noticed that the paper that Tampax brand tampons comes (or at least used to come)in is almost identical to cigarette rolling paper. Now, those newfangled tampons with plastic wrappers.... That shit's probably carcinogenic. Bruce |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Rapparee Date: 27 Feb 03 - 04:42 PM I was in a small city when this happened, actually (really, truly!) having lunch with the mayor. The Feds let the local cops know that they were gonna bust three local stores and wanted help. The mayor and the police chief discussed it and detailed one (1) local cop to the thing. Both thought it stupid, since (and his honor pointed out) you can turn both Coke cans and toilet paper cores in bongs, and Zig-Zags are sold in 'most all convenience stores. I just wondered, but didn't ask, the mayor how he knew that a Coke can could be so used..... Ashcroft and Justice is gonna get a LOT of these raids kicked out of court...and look stupid because of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Bobert Date: 27 Feb 03 - 04:43 PM Remember making pipes from beer cans, bee-dubya-ell? Yep, puch a few holes in 'em and ya' gotta a nice little pipe. Wonder is Johnny Ashcroft is goinna be bustin' a few of them folks up there in the NASCAR stands for porssession of empty beer cans? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Rapparee Date: 27 Feb 03 - 04:44 PM Oh,yeah -- please don't call anyone, especially a GUEST, an asshole. Remember, assholes serve a useful purpose: consider where you'd be without one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: open mike Date: 27 Feb 03 - 04:44 PM "busting people for selling bongs is the equivalent of the cops stopping someone for running a stop sign while there are rival gangs having a shoot-out in the intersection." This is like the cops being afraid to raid meth labe for fear of the armed , "under the influence" culprits, bad dogs, etc, so pester peaceful gardeners instead because it is less dangerous, therfore safer for the cops. Sounds like what is going on on a world wide scale: Harrass the Iraqis although meanwhile North Korea is testing weapons which might have the capability of reaching our shores. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Bobert Date: 27 Feb 03 - 05:10 PM open mike: Hmmmmmm? Good points. Why is it that bullies always pick on the lesser foes? Hmmmmmm? (Well, Bobert. *That's* what makes 'em bullies!) Nevermind... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Jim Colbert Date: 27 Feb 03 - 05:13 PM Hey, that reminds me. I personally haven't impibed in anything I didn't have a prescription for since 1986, which people confuse with me being against marijuana use. I'm not; it was just no longer right for me. Respiratory problems, and I was just plain doing it too much. But figure, I'm 41 now, and I've been exposed to "don't smoke dope" messages from well-meaning souls for about 30 years now, from TV ads to policemen that came in the schools to print ads. Saw one that, for the first time ever, made me think, "whoa! Now THAT might convince me not to." It was the tv commercial stating that one joint has the amount of cancer-causing tar as 4 cigarettes. Now THAT I had never heard before, and frankly if I did still do it, that would make me seriously consider whether I wanted to or not. And how it ties in to music for me, other than spending a lot of time getting stoned and listening to music in high school, is shortly after I stopped getting high I started writing songs. Don't think the two had any correlation, but that was how it happened! jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: open mike Date: 27 Feb 03 - 05:21 PM funny i thiught this was a music thread - i twice read the subject as "feds bust song sellers.." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: GUEST Date: 27 Feb 03 - 05:42 PM "There was already a thread started on this subject, but because it did not pass Mr. Offer's inspection he came to the conclusion that it was "useless horsehit" (direct quote) and moved it to THIS THREAD. As we are playing in Max's park and Joe has been designated by Max to referee our little games, I'm bowing to Joe's authority and taking his suggestion to start a new thread on the same subject. If he wants to delete the first paragraph of this post, that's okay with me." Bruce, actually you aren't the first person to complain of Joe doing this to some of the political BS threads I've started. I don't have the time, inclination, or energy to play these sorts of petty games with Joe, so I do thank you for taking the time and making the effort to start a new thread. Sadly, Joe did the same thing with a thread I started providing a link to a Kurt Vonnegut interview too--that one was deemed "frivolous" as well. Just more of Joe's latest attempts at trying to get me stop posting at Mudcat. Apparently, "consolidating" threads is just another way of Joe playing net cop. It makes him feel better apparently. Apparently, you "don't have the time, inclination, or energy" to use some thought when you start a thread. Here's the message you used to start the thread I deleted. I'll let it speak for itself. Thread #56705 Message #899433 Posted By: GUEST 26-Feb-03 - 04:50 PM Thread Name: BS: Miscellaneous Iraq- Feb 2003 Subject: BS: Terror Alert Level: Purple Haze!
Yah, so have you heard about the latest efforts of our fearless Justice Department leader, AG Asscraft? This will keep us safe from terrorists, I'm sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Jack the Sailor Date: 27 Feb 03 - 06:10 PM Smoking Tampon wrappers is disgusting, no matter how you look at it! ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Bobert Date: 27 Feb 03 - 06:31 PM Do not, I repeat, *DO NOT* reply to J the S's post above, Bobert! Ahhh, no comment... Bobert |
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Subject: Making it a song thread From: katlaughing Date: 27 Feb 03 - 06:36 PM IFC is going to run Easy Riders this next weekend. Don't bogart that joint my friend...Pass it over again... I wonder if they will raid the White House and take the shrub's mirror and paper money or the tip of his pinkie nail? Aren't those the preferred paraphernalia of cocaine sniffers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Bobert Date: 27 Feb 03 - 06:44 PM Good one, girl... Heck, Kat, while they're at it maybe they could just cart off everything connected to the pinkie nail as "Exhibit A". Danged pretzel eatin' coke head wantin' to bust a few peace lovin' pot smokers?!?!?!?!?!?.... Hummmpffff! Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: GUEST,Asshole Date: 27 Feb 03 - 08:06 PM Nobody here disagrees with the fact that drug money eventually finances terrorism. Asshole |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Feb 03 - 09:18 PM On the Ning Nang Nong Where the cows go Bong! And the monkeys all say Boo! There's a Nong Nang Ning Where the trees go Ping And the tea pots Jibber Jabber Joo. On the Nong Ning Nang All the mice go Clang! And you just can't catch 'em when they do! So it's Ning Nang Nong! Cows go Bong! Nong Nang Ning! Trees go Ping! Nong Ning Nang! The mice go Clang! What a noisy place to belong, Is the Ning Nang Ning Nang Nong! Spike Milligan (Voted the UK's favourite piece of nonsense verse) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: michaelr Date: 27 Feb 03 - 09:23 PM Hey Asshole -- that's bullshit! Hell yes I disagree. Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Bobert Date: 27 Feb 03 - 10:27 PM Well, GUEST, ass****: Good one. Of course when I take my seeds up into the top of the mountain and plant 'em and come back the end of September and fill my little bag that I am indeed supporting terrorism. Hey, if that's what you think, then I obviously need to get some better seeds.... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: GUEST Date: 27 Feb 03 - 10:30 PM sorry but the majority of drugs in this country are made in the "gardens" or in a private lab.....by people who have no affiliations with terrorists.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Padre Date: 27 Feb 03 - 11:44 PM better to bust bong sellers than song sellers |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: leprechaun Date: 28 Feb 03 - 02:32 AM I wondered if anybody would post a thread about this. I happen to be one of those nasty cops who was physically present for two of those fifty-five arrests. The way I understand it, those three-hundred dollar intricate hand-blown colored glass bongs were only intended for smoking legal products. At least, that's what I was told. And that other stuff we found in the closet, well, that was just a coincidence. I don't think many of these search warrants are going to be thrown out. The innocent businessmen we arrested are probably only going to be interrupted for a little while, so they may have to either postpone their next European vacation, or leave sooner and stay longer. So are we gonna see full page advertisements in High Times for Tampax wrappers? Party on dudes! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Gervase Date: 28 Feb 03 - 03:09 AM I'm not sure I get your point, leprechaun. My son supplemented his income a few years back by making bongs and pipes (very nice ones, too) which he sold at festivals and to the sort of shops that were busted. Are you suggesting that anyone with what the UK cops tend to call 'drug-related paraphenalia' is ripe for arrest? As Bobert says, many of us grow our own, and contribute not a cent to organised crime or terrorism (Oops - unless we pay our taxes in the USA, of course - in which case some pretty spectacular bad guys have benefitted from our bank-rolling). At the risk of letting this thread creep, anyone who enjoys a smoke (at his or her own risk - for we're all aware of the health implications) has a moral and ethical duty to use home-grown. The link between crime and drugs is indisputable. Of course, the ideal solution would be to decriminalise possession - and, indeed, many more enlightened UK law enforcement officers regard the continued illegality of cannabis/marijuana as a major problem in fighting the real menace of hard drugs and organised crime. Sadly some, like Commander Brian Paddick in Brixton, have been pilloried by the right-wing media for advocating just this, but change will come. Already we have seen a positive move, with cannabis being moved this year from a Class B drug to Class C. As someone who has enoyed a mellow smoke with several coppers and one person who subsequently rose to ministerial rank, I welcome the beginning of the end of some of the hypocrisy surrounding the issue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: leprechaun Date: 28 Feb 03 - 03:16 AM I don't know what the law is in the UK. I would agree with moving marijuana from Schedule I to Schedule II or III. And any copper who smokes pot with you should be shit-canned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Bobert Date: 28 Feb 03 - 12:03 PM Look what happened during "Prohibition". When booze was illegal, folks who had been good law abiding citizens, became criminals overnight. Heck, the US and UK are both loosing an opportunity here. They loose revenue. They pay out billions of dollars to mess with folks who smoke pot. And just as important, they loose an opportunity to have a dialogue with the folks who use pot by making them go undergroud. Purdy shortsighted, as far as I'm concerned. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: GUEST,Asshole Date: 28 Feb 03 - 12:13 PM Now I know why there are so many people here protesting the war. Their brain has been rotted away by smoking pot that is either home grown or originating from terrorist sources. Then the same Lala Land peacenicks insinuate that Bush is unfit because he sniffed some coke. You guys want it both ways don't ya? Asshole |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Bobert Date: 28 Feb 03 - 12:27 PM No, not really. Hey, I could care less if Bush snorted coke. I just don't like the hypocrisy. If Bush hadn't been a rich kid, he probably would have some some time in the joint (no pun inteneded) for his life style and wouldn't be where he is today. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: leprechaun Date: 28 Feb 03 - 04:02 PM No, in that case you would have voted for him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Kim C Date: 28 Feb 03 - 04:13 PM Well, now. I too haven't touched the stuff in 15 years. Last time I did, I got throwin-up sick. Have no idea what was in it. Anyhow, I didn't like the way it made my contacts stick to my eyeballs. Besides that, the smell is a dead giveaway for what you been doin. However, as a good Libertarian, I support the right of every adult person in the US to poison themselves in any manner they see fit, as long as they don't go driving a motor vehicle afterwards. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: DougR Date: 28 Feb 03 - 04:18 PM Uh, Lep. That's a "gotcha" isn't it? :>) Nothing is more convincing to me of the gender gap here on the Mudcat as this thread. I haven't the foggiest idea what a bong or a Zig or Zag or whatever is. I do know what a tampon is, though, and I don't think I'd ever want to smoke one. Particularly a used one. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Kim C Date: 28 Feb 03 - 04:32 PM ZigZag is a rolling paper. In Tennessee they won't sell em to you unless you also buy tobacco. And Doug, he was just talking about the paper the tampon comes wrapped in. ;-) A couple of years ago, Mister and I went to see Tom Petty in concert. Some teenage boys sat behind us on the lawn. I went to the ladies room, and when I came back, they had one of Mister's cigarillos (which he had given them), and were taking out the tobacco to use the wrapper to roll a joint. I said, Do you know what they're doing with your cigar? Oh sure, he said. I used to do that too when I didn't have any papers. And they didn't even offer me any. You would have said No, I said. Yes, he said, but it's the principle of the thing... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Feb 03 - 05:07 PM Pipe is a pipe. If it works for the illegal stuff it'll work for the legal stuff. Scales are scales - they can weigh anything. King-sized cigarette papers can be used for rolling king sized tobacco ciggies. I used to think the USA constitution was quite impressive. Now I think we are probably better off with the the European Convention on Human Rights - (http://www.hri.org/docs/ECHR50.html) Maybe what you need is an "American Convention on Human Rights" running throughout the nations of America, to supplement your Constitution, the same way ours supplements our Constitutions, where we have them - and, in the case of the UK goes some way to make up for the fact we haven't got one. (For example the British Home Secretary the other week went ape when a courageous judge ruled that some very repressive legislation hitting at refugees was illegal.)
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: GUEST, herc Date: 28 Feb 03 - 10:44 PM When the guys bust in, tell them it IS filled with tobacco, make'm try it to prove it, then show the the following website and everything will be fine: http://knightsgate.com/melanie/ In fact, McGraw, if you're still as high as you were during that last post, you might get a kick out of it right now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Bobert Date: 28 Feb 03 - 10:55 PM Hahahaha, Dougie! You stoner! Yeah, tryin' to pretent you don't know nuthin'? Hahahaha! Have you read some of your posts? "Well, I don't know a Zig for a Zag." Yeah right! Takes a stoner to know one! So come on Doug! Spill it! Don't worry. I won't tell John Ashcroft! I promise. The truth will set you free! Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: GUEST,Asshole Date: 28 Feb 03 - 11:01 PM Bobert: Your statement are pretty hard for someone that is not stoned to figure out. Does this mean you snorted coke and / or had his lifestyle and did some time in the slammer cause you were not a rich kid or what? "I just don't like the hypocrisy. If Bush hadn't been a rich kid, he probably would have some some time in the joint (no pun inteneded) for his life style and wouldn't be where he is today." It looks like your are the one guilty of hypocisy. Asshole |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: GUEST, herc Date: 28 Feb 03 - 11:05 PM Watch out Bobert. Jenna Bush used to post here a lot, but I haven't noticed her posting under her own name lately. Mr. A. could just be a nom de plume. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Bobert Date: 28 Feb 03 - 11:22 PM No, A-hole, doesn't mean that at all... Whereas I might play a little hear at the Catbox, the reality is that in my past life I worked as both a jailhouse teacher and a counselor and teacher in a drug rehab facility (Rubicon, Inc, Richmond, Va.). So, no, I don't like drugies actin' as if they are the most righteous folks in the world. Seen lots of that. More than you could imagine. It was the first thing we tried to *break down* in our "clients". If you are familiar with the "Daytop" model, that's what I know. Drug addicts need to have the "pridefull* layers stripped off before any progress is made. I'd suggest that Bush could use a little a little Rubicon/Daytop. He still is pridefull. And don't fool yourself into thinking the "pretzel incident" had any thing to do with pretzels! Bush has a serious alcohol problem... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Rick Fielding Date: 01 Mar 03 - 01:16 AM Doug, Doug, Doug! I don't think it's an age thing. We have a LOT of old (sixties and seventies) dopers in Ontario! Now some of the stories floating up from Texas, back thirty five years ago were TRULY scary. That was NOT the place for bongs, zig-zags, and if I'm not mistaken you could get ten years just for having a "Black Light" in your apartment! Did you ever smoke any bananas tho' dude? I used to get headaches with ANY kind of dope or booze. Jeez, I was SOOOO straight, despite myself! Cheers Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 01 Mar 03 - 03:20 AM It appears that Chong (the other half of Cheech) was busted for selling his bongs in this sting.
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: leprechaun Date: 01 Mar 03 - 03:26 AM This was an interesting posit from Open Mike: This is like the cops being afraid to raid meth labe for fear of the armed , "under the influence" culprits, bad dogs, etc, so pester peaceful gardeners instead because it is less dangerous, therfore safer for the cops. The bong thing was a rarity, the only one I can remember. I'd rather bust a heroin dealer, but we can't always specialize. The fact is, we raided a meth lab the next day, as we do about once or twice a week. However, the most dangerous thing we do is raid marijuana dealers. All told, the marijuana dealers are significantly more vicious than heroin, meth or cocaine dealers. We seize more guns from marijuana dealers than from all the other types of dealers combined. Around here, when a cop is shot dring a drug raid, it's usually a marijuana dealer. I think there are several reasons for this. I have observed that people who regularly smoke marijuana tend to have the emotional maturity of a spoiled twelve year old. Combine that with the "hemp culture" mentality and a lot of High Times indoctrination and the result is one dangerous individual who thinks he's defending his gods-given right to do anything he wants to. I think the clearest illustration of this type of mentality is somebody we all know and love, by golly, it's Conspiracy GUEST! Imagine having Conspiracy GUEST sitting in his living room under several thousand watt grow lamps, surrounded by ten thousand dollars worth of thickly budded sinsemilla, with a huge chunk of currency in the false floor of the closet. It might be enough to make him paranoid or something. Peaceful gardeners my ass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Rapparee Date: 01 Mar 03 - 07:03 AM Lep, my brother works for the IL state police (sort of an administrative intelligence person, he's not sworn but damned close to it). He says that when they raid meth labs they're careful not to blow themselves up because of the chemical fumes or inhale the anhydrous ammonia, but raiding a pot patch...yech! They first send in a team who trained on Vietnam boobytraps, since they have found: punji sticks, claymore mines (both the real thing and improvised ones), trip-wired shotguns, homemade land mines, guards with automatic weapons, dogs which have been trained to crotch-bite and whose bark appartatus has been surgically removed, and other such fun things. The first team usually goes in at night and moves about a hundred yards in 4 hours, clearing as they go. Down in KY's Daniel Boone National Forest I understand it's a lot worse. Grow it at home, in your greenhouse -- fine. Those who grow it for a living are just plain dangerous -- for one thing, they don't always clean up the nasty stuff when they move. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Bobert Date: 01 Mar 03 - 08:26 AM Yeah, like I said. Keep it criminalized and expensive and you're gonna find, ahhh, criminals involved in its growing and distribution. This is a no brainer. Decriminalize it and guess what? The criminal element is going to have to find work 'cause then everyone who uses it will have their own little pot patch. Like big woop! 'Cept it now saves the taxpayers a lot of dough in lawyers, cops that could be going after bad, bad people and the prison/industrial complex. But in today's political climate, decriminalization ain't about to happen. No, we're in for a long stretch of intrusive government with this batch of nosey hypoctrites. Bush being the head nosey hypocrite. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: GUEST,Asshole Date: 01 Mar 03 - 08:50 AM Bobert: "He still is pridefull." Judging from your posts are both pridefull and righteous. "And don't fool yourself into thinking the "pretzel incident" had any thing to do with pretzels!" What conspiracy says otherwise? "Bush has a serious alcohol problem..." How serious? When? Where? How? Why? Do you have or have you had any alcohol problems? I hope I am not getting too personal but there is nothing more vengeful than a reformed alcoholic or someone that quit smoking when they are denigrating someone that drinks or smokes. I myself have quit smoking. Now when I look at someone that smokes I can't under stand why they keep it up. I don't attack them. I might mention that I quit and they could too. I have never had a problem with drinking and the older I get the less I drink but I do not attack everyone that drinks or smokes. But what do I know, I am just an asshole. leprechaun: It sounds to me like those growers could be called terrorists except they are in America. I would say anybody that does dope is supporting mean people that will do harm to America. The Canadian chapter of the Hell's Angels grow most of the BC Bud. They are nice peaceful people aren't they? Are they among the "Millions Marching for peace"? Asshole |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: Peg Date: 01 Mar 03 - 09:56 AM It's one thing to arrest growers who booby-trap their crop with dangerous weaponry, or who mutilate dogs for protection. It's quite another to arrest otherwise law-abiding members of society who procure, or cultivate, small amounts of marijuana for their own personal recreational or medicinal use. To lump all "pot-smokers" into the same category is very wrong indeed, and leads to the sort of mentality that thinks the guy who is found with fifty kilos, a full drying shed and rifles in his cabin is no different from the guy found with an ounce and a bong. Yet both, in some areas, might end up doing jail time. This is very wrong. Marijuana is the number one cash crop in the United States and has been for years now. While the anecdotes our law enforcement friends have provided may be true, I am thinking they represent a VERY small percentage of the growing and distribution activities in this country. And we still have a much bigger problem with heroin, amphetamine and crack cocaine use in this country than with marijuana, in terms of the cost to health and the amount of violent crime connected to their abuse. Also, marijuana is not addictive: cocaine, heroin, oxycontin, etc. are extremely addictive. They are also widely available in prison, which is why addicts sent to prison (for possession or larceny, not for violent crime) are virtually impossible to rehabilitate and often end up back on the streets, still addicted, and often led into crime to support their habits. The vast majority of pot smokers are productive members of society and include doctors, lawyers, cops, teachers, artists, politicians, and virtually every line of work one could imagine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Mar 03 - 05:00 PM Dunno what went wrong with my link up there to the European Convention on Human Rights - (http://www.hri.org/docs/ECHR50.html) Basic rule is, always check your link before posting, and I normally do. But if it's illegal to sell something that might be used to do something illegal, as well as something legal, how come all those cars are on sale all over the place? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: GUEST,Asshole Date: 01 Mar 03 - 05:16 PM OK. Let's lump everybody that is in support their government's policy on Iraq as "warmongers" regardless of what they do, what their position is, what they believe in or their IQ. They are all to be criticized, detested, discredited and told they don't know what they are talking about even if they are in the majority. From the posts I see here it would seem that the majority of anti-war protestors are enlightened drug abusers with a greater knowledge of what is good for the opposing majority. I would believe the views of the law abiders over the views of the law breakers. There are countries where drugs are legal. How are they doing? Is anybody leaving the US avoid the unfair drug laws here? If they do it is good riddance. Asshole |
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Subject: RE: BS: Feds Bust Bong Sellers From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Mar 03 - 05:21 PM They were all illegal under the Taliban, or in Saudi Arabia right now, especially including booze. About the only people who are consistant on this kind of thing are the Mormons, who won't even allow Coca Cola. |