BS: Where's Saddam?

Subject: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 08:23 PM

"Oh Saddam, come out, come out wherever you are." Ollie, ollie in free!

My guess is, if he ain't dead, he's in Syria or Libya.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 09:05 PM

Yo, Walking Eagle, hate to bust yer bubble but I have it from a good source that Saddam is selling used Mecredes in Arlington, Va???... Or was he driving a cab in D.C.????

I'll get back to you.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 09:48 PM

Smoke him out, Bobert!

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 03:46 AM

He's 9living in Hull.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Doktor Doktor
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 06:01 AM

Hes got a job as Richard Grainger's body double

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 06:23 AM

I'm surprised no-one seems to have produced a version of the "Where's Wally" drawings for "Ozzy" and Saddam ... or have I just missed them?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 07:09 AM

Do you mean Richard Grainger from Teeside ?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: InOBU
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 08:00 AM

Well... I have gone through like, 30 band members... does anyone know if he plays any instruments...?
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Doktor Doktor
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 08:03 AM

Of course not - that would be rude and disrespectful. Besides which I have a good deal of affection for Richard's singing and he's a canny lad.

The one I have in mind has a rather remarkable moustache.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 01:48 PM

I have seen experts reckon that any new video footage might well be look-alikes but not if he speaks. Anyone seen any lately. If the Sad man was anywhere he would make a video to rally his troops. We have seen his 2 I/C at press conferences.
But how do you second-guess a guy who is trying to mislead?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 02:03 PM

Have you ever noticed how EVERTIME we see pictures of Saddam, he's sitting at a table with all these military advisors, and he's always SMILING...occasionally there's even a CHUCKLE. Likewise from the odd General (or whoever)

What on earth is he (they) laughing about?

Same with Tony Blair. Everytime he comes out of the British Legislature he's SMILING!

At what? He's gonna be turfed out of office, and he knows it. The country (mostly) loathes him.

At least our guy Chretien, has the good sense to keep a straight face...reflecting the very stressful time we're ALL in.

To his credit, Bush really tries to keep that silly grin off his face.

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 04:30 PM

I think I saw him today driving a Mister Softee ice cream truck.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: duuuude
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 04:36 PM

Thought for sure I saw him filling his tank in Nashville, or was that Elvis?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 05:26 PM

Why was his latest rallying speech to the nation read by someone else? Can't he speak for himself any more???
If Bush has actually gottim, will he stop the bombing now?
Please.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 07:58 PM

'Fraid not, LR. Tyrannies don't work that way. They are so caught up in deception that they no longer know truth from reality.

Hey! I think I saw him working as an embedded with the Fourth Division!

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 10:48 PM

I have wondered just what would happen if the US knew for certain that Hussein was dead. Would they even tell us? Or would they just keep liberating?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 01 Apr 03 - 11:36 PM

He's currently trying out for the vacant drummer position with Spinal Tap

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Troll
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 12:34 AM

Yes Ebbie, they would tell us. The whole idea is to overthrow his regime. It is built on the cult of his personality and when he falls, his troops will no longer have a leader to direct them and the Iraqi people will no longer have to fear him. I think that if it could be prooven to the Iraqi people that Saddam was actually dead, they would turn on his goons barehanded and tear them to pieces.
According to intel, they are afraid to show any enthusiasm for the Coallition Forces for fear of reprisal. One woman was hanged, or so I hear, because she waved at a truckload (lorryload) of UK soldiers. I think that he is dead or critically wounded in his $60 million dollar bunker.
All we have to do is find the air intakes, stop them up, and wait.
If he is alive and capable of movement, he is going to have to show himself to his troops pretty soon.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Harold W
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 10:37 PM

I overheard this April 1st at a haircutting place.

The phone rang. One of the hairstylists answered it. Apparently the person on the other end said, "Did you hear that they captured Saddaam Hussein?" The stylist asked, "Where?" "New York." The stylist repeated, "New York?" After a pause the caller said, "Oh, April Fool."

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: DougR
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 11:41 PM

I think he is either dead, or perhaps in Russia.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Troll
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 12:18 AM

I disagree about Russia, Doug. A man with his ego and sense of destiny would not have run so early in the game Remember, he wants history to consider him in the same league as Saladin;as a leader who brought the Islamic world to greatness.
If -and it's a big if- he is still alive, he must be badly hurt not to have appeared to exhort his troops in person and he certainly would not have missed the PR op to be photographed with the first Coalition POW's.
No, dead or alive, he's in Baghdad.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: GUEST,Mr Red (trying to introduce a little levity)
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 06:29 AM

Rick Fielding
Maybe your question about what are they joking about is a thread all of its own.

So Sadam leans over and says "this one'll slay ya....."

(Ducks behind the riddout and lies low...............)

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 06:41 AM

Ebbie... "I have wondered just what would happen if the US knew for certain that Hussein was dead. Would they even tell us? Or would they just keep liberating?"

First prize goes to Ebbie. Apparently, you have noticed the signs which point to the fact that he is either dead or, more likely, under secret arrest. The same goes for the die-hard leaders in his inner circle. How else could the bridges, dams, weapons caches, etc, be taken ? How could the mine layouts be obtained intact ? How could the info minister, just moments ago on TV, tell Iraqi's that the "mercenaries" are being defeated and are not even near Basra, when the people of Baghdad can hear the war on their doorstep ? It's an inside job.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 08:38 AM

The scenario of capture is premature, otherwise appealing.
My money is on dead, injured or running scared. (or all three - he has that many look-alikes plus a few longshot stand-ins to mislead the intelligence gatherers). The fact that we have not heard his voice since one (alleged) time-shifted video points to death but he may want us to think that.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 08:54 AM

I for one was pleased his (Saddam's) information minister read his Address to the Nation the other night. The guy looks like Eddie Cantor.

Also pleased that the said Information Minister has now found either a box to stand on, or a lower table for his press conferences. His first few meetings to inform the international press, he was almost totally obscured behind a forest of microphones, it was like the gentlemen of the press, plus the world and his uncle were being briefed by a beret.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 09:25 AM

He's in the chicken coop behind Pepe's adobe hut, which is looking much the worse for wear.

"Nobody here but us chickens!"

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 10:12 AM

To some people it means a lot if he is dead for sure.

Saddam's grip of fear remains (BBC report)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 07:53 PM

Truly confounding. He would definatley benefit by rallying his soldiers, but he doesn't show. What with all the pictures and posters of him throughout Iraq, you would think that his ego would not let him stay silent at all. I think the fact that he was nearly nailed the first night really shook him. Someone very close to him had to drop the dime on him right? Could it be possible that Israely Intelligence has him? Or that he surrendered to some neutral govt.and is keeping him under wraps?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 08:13 PM

He and his sons are sunning themselves in a resort hotel in Syria

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 09:41 PM

Probably someone here knows the answer- I read that in the first Gulf War, Saddam didn't show himself. For how long or beginning when, I don't know. Does anyone know or remember?

Someone posted a link where a man is supposed to have assisted in helping Saddam build a $6m shelter. Is it possible that he simply hunkers in the bunker?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 12:16 AM

Rick,

Chretien is keeping a "straight face"? Is that some kind of bad joke? ;)

Speaking of bad jokes...

Saddam Hussein's doctor called a meeting of all the Saddam look-alikes.

"Men," he said, "I've got some good news and some bad news... The good news is that our glorious leader survived the bombing attacks last week... The bad news is that he has lost an arm."

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 12:41 AM

Which arm? Wouldn't it be a bummer to lose your job because they cut off the wrong arm?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: GUEST,Tom D.
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 01:08 AM

There are those who think members of the family are in Syria:

Check this link:Third Blurb From the Top (In Blue)

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: gnu
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 11:21 AM

Okay... way off. He was just on the tube.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 12:03 PM

Yeah, gnu, but did you notice the only event he mentioned occurred on March 24th? He does not seem up to date.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 12:35 PM

Did he mention the date in his schpiel? Case unproven. All part of the smokescreen.
At least when he speaks you are more certain it is him.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Willie-O
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 01:46 PM

Well, he was here, but he's gone now.

Seriously, though, you are wrong, Troll. (Perhaps for the first time ever.) This regime is no top-heavy house of cards. From what I've heard, the Ba'ath party is the most organized political apparatus in the entire Arab world. It has thousands of members who have invested their lives in it, most of whom are very tough and nasty people who know what kind of future they have in an American-controlled Iraq. Less than zero.   

It would be the tidiest thing for all concerned if SH would pop out of his bunker, make some high-profile last-ditch stand, and go down in a grand fireworks display. But I have my serious doubts that that's going to happen.

Look. The guy's ruthless, shrewd, has a lot of resources, and has friends all over the diciest parts of the Middle East and southern Asia. And hates the U.S. Does that remind you of anyone?

I think there's at least a 50-50 chance that instead of being a regional despot thoroughly contained within his own borders, he's aspiring to start a new career as a second bin Laden, with an obvious appetite for vengeance and a hell of a lot less to lose. He's certainly a megalomaniac optimist, but he's not insane, and if he sees a chance to play for more time by leaving the country, that's what he'll do. Think he hadn't planned on just maybe having to leave town?

W-O

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 02:06 PM

On last night's Charlie Rose, Ken Pollack who has covered Iraq and the Middle East for years said that it is not likely that Saddam will seek refuge in another country. He said that Saddam himself has said that with as many enemies as he has and as many attempts on his life as have been made, if he weren't the leader he couldn't live. Without his power base he wouldn't have the means to protect himself against his enemies.

What a way to live. And die.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Gareth
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 05:55 PM

Hmmm ! Didn't another ex American client, Somaza (?), choose exile ? But the asassins got him.

Will somebody correct me if I am wrong.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 08:04 PM

Apparently Saddam's alive enough to appear today on Baghdad streets with smoke plumes in the background. Probably this was at the insistance of Hollywood producers who offered him big bucks to add this scene, but THEY wouldn't have done that, would they?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Troll
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 08:27 PM

I must disagree, willie-O.Ebbies post agreees with all the psych profiles that I have seen on Saddam over the last ten or so years. He has been KING. He can never accept being less.
Regarding his appearance today, voice analysis will soon tell us if it was him speaking in the address to the world. Ragarding the outside shots, hi has several doubles who, if the reports are right, have been surgically altered to enhance the resemblence. There were people rushing up to kiss his hand and that doesn't ring true for Saddam. The only people who ever get near him do so only under rigidly controlled conditions.
It probably was all staged but it still feels wrong.
Another thing, why did he bother to do the outside shots. The Iraqi people can't watch him on TV. It's been knocked out. Only someone with satellite could pick him up in-country and a permit for a dish is virtually impossible to get. I think that the whole show was for foreign consumption.
I realize that the Baath Party is well organized, but the whole focus has been on the personallity cult of Saddam Hussein. With him gone, the power vacuum at the top -even if only symbolic- could easily pull the whole structure down as the # 2's and 3's struggle for the top spot. They are accustomed to having the Strong Man at the top and they may not be able to keep the rank and file in line without it. I know that Saday has been named his successor, but what if he's "not available"?
It is a puzzlement. Time will tell.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 04:17 AM

Willie-O,

"Look. The guy's ruthless, shrewd, has a lot of resources, and has friends all over the diciest parts of the Middle East and southern Asia."

Name them, Saddam Hussein has not left Iraq since taking over power in 1979. He has few friends in the international community, and those he had would never dare provide him with sanctuary.

As Troll says above, the pictures shown yesterday of Saddam walking through the streets - does not match.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 05:36 AM

He talked about the Apache, the fact that the Yanks skirted the Iraqis on their push north, the airport... and some vague ref's.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 09:14 AM

Saddam's absence or presence doesn't matter a whole lot at this point, but I'll be curious to see if Troll and Teribus are more astute than the professional analysts who say this is a true sighting.

Hey, there's that mole on his upper left cheek, large as life!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 03:12 PM

How about, alive/dead, free/captive, in a bunker under the Palestine Hotel where all the foreign journalists are staying? You know his position on Palestine after all... They say Iraqi TV is operating there under cover too.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Troll
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 03:38 PM

Charley, according to a gentleman whose name I did not catch, but who claims to be an old "Middle East Hand" of some 50 years standing with several dozen books on the area to his credit, the man who made the speech was probably Saddam but the man in the street scenes was not. He appeared on the O'Reilly Factor and his reasons were as follows. He has known Saddam for about 30 years and has met with him on numerous ocassions. He said that the whole thing rang false. Saddam Hates crowds and fears them as well.He rarely lets anyone get near him, even those of his inner circle. The gustures were not Saddams. They were totally atypical. He is naturally dour and the scene with the child was atypical. He doesn't like children. He doesn't like to be touched, and if touching is done it is he who initiates it.
Thats all I can recall right now but it seems to me to me sufficient. As for the mole, I did mention that his doubles were surgically enhanced to make the imposture as believable as possible.
The professional analysts don't all agree and even if they did, all I did was present a possible answer on the Mudcat Forum. It's not like I was briefing Colin Powell.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 05:19 PM

Troll-

Thanks for your more amplified comments. Your sources may be on to something with regard to the real Saddam (which rhymes nicely with "Green Eggs and Ham" by the way). I do tend to forget that Colin Powell may not check in here before deciding just what to say or do each day.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 05:32 PM

I have had this bizarre daydream straight out of "Atlas Shrugged" of Bin Laden and Saddam and a host of others who have and will go walkies, hidden away in the Rocky Mountains, monitoring everything we say and do, occasionally stopping a clock or two, and waiting for the right moment to return and re-establish a government.
It's cabin fever, no doubt. Snowing again.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 08:53 AM

It seems to be quite clear by now that the man in the street was not Saddam. One newspaper mentioned even the name of the lookalike (publsihed in an Arab newspaper.

What interests me now are the reports that they are searching in the rubbles of one house bombed last night for human remains for DNA tests for Saddam. Now I'd love to know how they did get a comparison sample against which to match the sample found in the rubble.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Saddam?
From: Alba
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 10:12 AM

It says in a MSNBC report Wolfgang, that Intelligence sources have told Reporters that they have no DNA for Saddam , which is making identification more difficult...dang near impossible then I'd say!!!
What about the "Cousin" called Chemical Ali, that was reported killed last week. Could his DNA provide a sample that could be matched, but then is he really Saddam's Cousin or just another body double posing as Saddam's Cousin.......
I tend to think that Saddam got to hell out a while agao, but then again maybe we shall never really know....what with all the doubles out there the question arises "Would the real Saddam please stand up"!! That is highly unlikely though!