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pyewacket 18 Apr 03 - 03:06 PM
Allan C. 18 Apr 03 - 04:03 PM
Allan C. 18 Apr 03 - 04:07 PM
Allan C. 18 Apr 03 - 04:25 PM
pyewacket 18 Apr 03 - 06:16 PM
Joe Offer 19 Apr 03 - 06:08 PM
masato sakurai 19 Apr 03 - 08:21 PM
Joe Offer 19 Apr 03 - 08:34 PM
Little Robyn 19 Apr 03 - 08:42 PM
Allan C. 19 Apr 03 - 10:57 PM
pyewacket 20 Apr 03 - 02:44 AM
GUEST,.gargoyle 20 Apr 03 - 11:53 PM
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Subject: Help: Please Identify This Song
From: pyewacket
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 03:06 PM

Can anyone identify this song and perhaps supply additional lyrics?
Thank you.

I'll plant me a red and rosy bush
I'll plant me a green willow tree
To prove to all, who come this away
That you have forsaken me
That you have forsaken me.

O hush lest you, break my heart
For no one will I cry
Ten thousand lovers, have already parted
So why not you and I
So why not you and I.

AT


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Subject: RE: Help: Please Identify This Song
From: Allan C.
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 04:03 PM

A recording I have of a very similarly versed song is called "It' Hard To Love" and was collected in the Appalachians. The notes I have say that it is common to use any number of "floating verses" to fit the lovely tune. I'll post the lyrics I have in a separate posting.


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Subject: RE: Help: Please Identify This Song
From: Allan C.
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 04:07 PM

See also The Red Rosy Bush in the DT.


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Subject: Lyr Add: IT'S HARD TO LOVE
From: Allan C.
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 04:25 PM

IT'S HARD TO LOVE

It's hard to love when you can't be loved,
It's hard to love in vain.
But the worst of love is a broken heart,
Did you ever feel the pain?
Did you ever feel the pain, dear one?
Did you ever feel the pain?
The worst of love is a broken heart,
Did you ever feel the pain?

Look up, look down this lonesome road,
Hang down your head and cry.
The best of friends must part sometime,
So why not you and I?
Why not you and I dear one?
Why not you and I?
The best of friends must part sometime,
So why not you and I?

____________

As sung by Eunice Yeatts MacAlexander at her home in Meadows of Dan, Patrick County, Virginia August 22 1980

(Notes as found on CD titled, "Far In the Mountains" Vol I & II -- available through CAMSCO
___________

The tune for this is somewhat different from that of "The Red Rosy Bush".


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Subject: RE: Help: Please Identify This Song
From: pyewacket
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 06:16 PM

Dear Allan;
Thanks so much for your help! I suspect though that "It's hard To Love" is not the same song as I do know the melody of our song in question and it just doesn't seem to fit. This is also the case with
"The Red Rosy Bush" in the DT. I don't know if it would help anyone but I heard the song sung on an episode of "the Waltons" many years
ago.         
pyewacket


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Subject: RE: Help: Please Identify This Song-Red Rosy Bush
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 06:08 PM

I crosslinked the Red Rosy Bush songs, but talke a look at Malcolm's post in the Little Turtle Dove thread. If it confuses Malcolm, it HAS to be confusing! The "Red Rosey Bush recorded by Belafonte and Jo Stafford is quite different from this "Rosy Bush."
I don't think I'm going to attempt cross-links on "turtle doves" yet.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Help: Please Identify This Song-Red Rosy Bush
From: masato sakurai
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 08:21 PM

Google searches for plant me a "red and rosy bush" and hush "lest you break my heart" led me to the same three Waltons sites, where the origins (title and other info) are not identified. The song seems to be found in The Waltons only, at least on the web. The lyrics below are copied from The Walton's Mountain Songs, Poetry, and Prayers.
I plant me a red and rosy bush,
I plant me a green willow tree.
To prove to all who come this way,
That she has forsaken me.

When I was young and I was gay,
I loved her long and well.
But the sum that loving has brought me,
No human touch can tell.
Oh, seen yond lonesome little turtle dove,
He is swinging on that yonder vine.
As I do mourn for mine,
Oh, hush you lest you break my heart.
For no one will I cry.
Ten thousand lovers have already parted,
So why not you and I.
~Masato


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Subject: RE: Help: Please Identify This Song-Red Rosy Bush
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 08:34 PM

Bless you, Masato.

Good night, John-Boy.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Help: Please Identify This Song-Red Rosy Bush
From: Little Robyn
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 08:42 PM

The second verse of Allan C's version has words from
"Lonesome road" or "Long Lonesome Road".
Both are in the DT but slightly different from the one I remember in the early 60s. I just can't remember who the singer was then.


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Subject: RE: Help: Please Identify This Song-Red Rosy Bush
From: Allan C.
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 10:57 PM

Ah...clear evidence of the folk process!

P.S. to LR: Lots of people have released "Lonesome Road" over the years. In the '60's Duane Eddy had an innovative instrumental version and Don Gibson had a nice one just a bit earlier. Jim Neighbors even sang it on "The Andy Griffith Show".


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Subject: Red Rosy Bush?
From: pyewacket
Date: 20 Apr 03 - 02:44 AM

My thanks to all who contributed their generous efforts in helping me to discover the origin of my song search and some additional verses.
I cannot decide whether to title it "Red Rosy Bush" or as I have always thought of it, "Forsaken."
Good night, Mary Ellen!


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Subject: RE: Help: Please Identify This Song-Red Rosy Bush
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 20 Apr 03 - 11:53 PM

http://www.the-waltons.com/season1.html#The_Love_Story

It appears to have been written by Jerry Goldsmith
THE LOVE STORY (18 Jan 1973)
Writer: Earl Hamner
Director: Lee Philips
Music: Jerry Goldsmith

http://us.imdb.com/Credits?0068149

Other music credits for the first season are given to:
Alexander Courage (some episodes)
Jerry Goldsmith (theme) (some episodes)
Arthur Morton (I) (some episodes)

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Help: Please Identify This Song-Red Rosy Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 13 - 12:23 PM

I remember it well from "The Love Story" episode 17 season 1 of the Waltons--Richard Thomas (John Boy) sang it with the dulcimer to Sian Barbara Allen (Jenny) his first love. It was very poignant. She was in the Thanksgiving episode as well.


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Subject: RE: Help: Please Identify This Song-Red Rosy Bush
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 12 Jan 13 - 12:32 PM

You waited 10 years to tell us that ?


Dave H


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Subject: RE: Help: Please Identify This Song-Red Rosy Bush
From: Stringsinger
Date: 12 Jan 13 - 09:15 PM

Jerry Goldsmith's daughter Ellen is a folklore student. She plays the autoharp.
I played autoharp on the very first episodes of the Waltons, also the pilot, The Homecoming (A Christmas special). She played on the series later.

Jerry would have been familiar with folk song material. He could have easily put together a song.


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Subject: RE: Help: Please Identify This Song-Red Rosy Bush
From: GUEST,Guest_M
Date: 28 Dec 16 - 05:08 PM

John Jacob Niles recorded a song called "The Turtle Dove" that contained these lyrics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o87otpnlGmQ


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