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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: GUEST,Mr Yellow at Chippenham Date: 28 May 06 - 06:51 AM Galloaway & dumb freeze. who hits the "H" key when aiming for the "Z"? Apart from Sir jOhn? |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: GUEST Date: 28 May 06 - 03:04 AM So is he a hero or villan |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: GUEST,ifor Date: 27 May 06 - 02:57 PM Before the invasion of Iraq Galloway was a leading and elequent anti war opponent. At that time he was still a Labour member of parliament. He said that the invasion would be a major war crime and that Bush and Blair would be war criminals.It was a crime and the two should answer to war crimes charges. Galloway said that the invasion of Iraq would lead to death and destruction on a huge scale and he was right.Operation Shock and Awe was launched by the Americans and the British forces and death rained down on the civilian population of Iraq.They were killed and maimed in their homes and apartments,their markets and their mosques,on their streets and in their clinics.They were killed by cruise missiles,high explosive bombs,uranium shells,the modern equivalent of napalm and sniper fire. Galloway said that Iraq would be plunged into barbarism and it has been...the sectarian mayhem, the massacres,the malnutrition and the lack of water and electricity in one of the hottest countries in the world Tens of thousands of Iraqi children are suffering in this appalling Bush and Blair made situation. Bush and Blair said that the Iraqis had weapons of mass destruction but they lied and thousands have died.Galloway was correct and pointed the finger... and that is why he is hated by the chickenhawks and the war crew. They have been out to get him ever since but he has taken them on time and time again..and won. He may or may not be a hero but those warmongering critics of his belong in the dock and are not fit to clean his shoes. Ifor |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Richard Bridge Date: 26 May 06 - 06:16 PM What is the crime for which Galloway merits prosecution? Spending altogether suspiciously too much on his suits is not a ground for conviction (yet). |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Bunnahabhain Date: 26 May 06 - 06:04 PM All three of them, Blair, Bush and Galloway demonstrate the greatest strength of, and the problem with democracy, it's tendancy to produce some very strange results. Galloway deserves proscution, Blair deserves to have his ineffectual, sanctamonious posturing |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: ard mhacha Date: 26 May 06 - 04:38 PM I just seen these two smarmy smug cess-pools on TV tonight, can any thing be more sickening, Blair and Bush smiling like they were God`s gift to humanity, and the two bastards with the blood of countless thousands on their hands. What a gift to the human race to see these two wiped out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: GUEST Date: 26 May 06 - 02:04 PM Cherie's remarks were indeed sensible Richard . Sorry if I gave the wrong impression regarding them..Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: GUEST Date: 26 May 06 - 01:59 PM Although my objections are deeply held, I may be prepared to suspend them in Blair's case. The life of one psychologically flawed, burned out politician seems as nothing when set against the deaths of so many children. Sad thing is that we still torture animals to save the lives of creatures like this...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Richard Bridge Date: 26 May 06 - 01:51 PM Oh, and Sherry Blair's remark about Palestinians was one of the more sensible things she ever said. If you want to stop suicide bombers etc you have to understand them. It was one of the rare times the pillorying she got was unjustified. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Richard Bridge Date: 26 May 06 - 01:50 PM Well, you can see the logic of it. If however you disapprove of the death penalty then neither is justified. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: ard mhacha Date: 26 May 06 - 10:56 AM Any takers yet George?, if stuck for a taker , give me a shout. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: GUEST Date: 26 May 06 - 09:32 AM Well I dont believe in Capital punishment, life imprisonment would suffice.......but life would have to mean life. What hypocrits the politicians are!! How many times have we heard the old story, that Heads of State from countries or regimes which we disapprove of should be "taken out" Fidel..Chavez...anyone who might be a danger to our wonderful economic system. In the future we will "take out" anyone who interrupts energy supplies to the militarily powerful. This reminds me of the remarks by Cherie Blair, who famously said that she understood why suicide bombers were driven to do what they do. As I say I don't believe in the "death penalty" but Blair must be held to account....before he wriggles off the politcal hook..Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: John MacKenzie Date: 26 May 06 - 09:26 AM No Terry!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: John MacKenzie Date: 26 May 06 - 09:25 AM There's also a long interview with Paul Simon if you follow that link, which I found very interesting. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Ringer Date: 26 May 06 - 09:05 AM Now he says Blair's murder would be justified. Click Here |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Teribus Date: 27 Oct 05 - 01:14 AM There was an interesting article in The Telegraph" yesterday written by the reporter who found the files (two marked "Britain" and one marked "Britain & France") in the Iraqi Foreign Ministry. A link was made by Mr. Happy which included the following paragraph: "The Telegraph's primary defence was that their coverage of the story had been no more than "neutral reportage" of documents discovered by a reporter in the badly damaged Foreign Ministry in Baghdad. However, the judge had no hesitation in concluding that the nature, content and tone of The Telegraph's coverage of the discovery and content of the documents which gave rise to the allegations were no such thing, commenting: "They did not merely adopt the allegations. They embraced them with relish and fervour." What the Telegraph article stated yesterday was that 'Gorgeous George's' legal team did not challenge the authenticity of the documents, or the circumstances and method by which they were found. Note the documents being talked about are different from the ones used by the New Scientist (I think) which were fake. Although the findings were against the Telegraph, they did appeal the judgement. Unfortunately for George he has been going around saying that the documents relating to the Telegraph case are fake - he has not been stupid enough to call them forgeries - that will get him into trouble as it admits the documents themselves into evidence. Regarding the demise of the Soviet Union and the safety of the world. A UN committee just recently has declared as it's findings that despite such instances as Rwanda, Iraq and Darfur we are 40% less likely to have wars and 60% less likely to suffer genocide since the collapse of the Soviet Union - I'd say that that was a pretty significant improvement - the Committee also sited that there are currently 60 ongoing 'wars' in the world today. Average loss of life in wars during the 'Cold War' Soviet era was 37,000 it is now down to about 600 - even taking Rwanda, Iraq and Darfur into account. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: dianavan Date: 26 Oct 05 - 10:32 PM Why would they engage in a smear campaign rather than charge him? Thay are basically saying he is guilty without charging him. Either charge him or shut up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Mr Happy Date: 26 Oct 05 - 10:21 PM more here:http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1491405.htm |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: mindblaster Date: 20 May 05 - 06:55 PM No - just another scotch criminal who wants to rule the world. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: akenaton Date: 20 May 05 - 04:38 PM "Honesty and integrity in government". Can this be the Don T we know and love? I think all the argy bargy with Martin Gibson has made you lose your grip on reality Don. Honesty and integrity have no place in government or opposition. Now go and lie down in a darkened room and try to think of a new leader who is more of a Tory than Tony...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 May 05 - 02:22 PM Does anyone else here feel, as I do, that we're all spending too much time thinking about WHO to vote for, rather than WHAT? Honesty and integrity in government seems a good place to start IMHO, and is rather more important than many people seem to think. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: dianavan Date: 20 May 05 - 12:25 AM I don't know if democracy has any heroes but I think Galloway has the kind of nerve it takes to stand up to the U.S. govt. and their bag of dirty tricks. Who else will do it? I'm not saying the guy is shiny clean (what politician is?) but I have to say that I admire anyone who stands up to a bully, especially a bully as big as the U.S. Now all we need is for someone in the U.S. to do the same. Galloway makes the Democrats look like a bunch of namby pamby rich boys who will let anybody kick sand in their faces. Go for it, Galloway - Sock it to 'em. The biggest sanctions busters were American companies "with the connivance" of the US Government, he argued. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Mr Happy Date: 19 May 05 - 08:34 PM There's a puzzling bit of info there though, stating his 2nd wife is Palestinian born- not Iraqui -as reported in most other sources. Anyone know? |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Mr Happy Date: 19 May 05 - 08:26 PM Just been reading this potted bio. http://www.answers.com/topic/george-galloway Intrestin' innit? Sure he's no angel- but I continue to be impressed by his delivery & presentation of views on current issues. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 19 May 05 - 09:13 AM I knew I'd heard all this kack before, and thought he'd been aquitted! Same ol' same ol'..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: GUEST,Mr Happy Date: 19 May 05 - 08:39 AM Here's a link to Gorgeous George's battle with the Telegraph last year. http://www.legalday.co.uk/lexnex/simkins04/december/simkins031204.htm Seems their allegations were almost identical to the latest attack from America. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Wolfgang Date: 13 Dec 04 - 12:50 PM McGrath, read also the sentence by Peter before my quote and you will understand what I was responding to. The sentence alone could be read with some phantasy as you do. I have no objection to a statement that not everybody has won. My impression was that Peter was displaying a bit of eastalgia (the German word 'Ostalgie' is ways better to transport the double meaning but you'll get the idea). it came as something of a surprise for me to discover that people can look back to that era as a time when they had security, and some degree of contentment. Contentment because there was so little rivalry of a materialist nature.... (Peter K) Peter, I know you mean it very differently, but that reminds me of West-Germany in the late 1950s. The old people were a bit nostalgic about the past and said how good it was that everybody had work then and how safe the streets were and that immaterial values like honour weremuch more in demand in the previous two decades. However, they never forgot to add "but with the Jews he went a bit too far". GG to me looks a bit overly nostalgic and we all know that in looking back the times seem more rosey than they actually were. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: GUEST,Boris Date: 13 Dec 04 - 02:01 AM George Galloway is a nutter. But then so is George Bush. And look where he ended-up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: akenaton Date: 12 Dec 04 - 11:04 AM wld Once again I take great exception to your comments, Being a geriatric, habitual hat wearing homophobe myself. I also have a penchant for chips in newspaper especially "The Telegraph, as I cant abide the thought of all those lovely trees sacrificed to no purpose....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: John MacKenzie Date: 11 Dec 04 - 12:55 PM There will come a time when the British public is so sick of New Labour that no matter who leads the Tory party, they will be re-elected. After all when NL swept to power 7 years ago you could have stuck a red rosette on a pig and it would have been elected, and a few were! Anyway enough of John Prescott; just remember that not only cream rises to the top, scum does too. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 11 Dec 04 - 09:52 AM If the re-born Portillo led the Tories, that would finish them off. Just like if Ken Clarke had become leader. It is precisely because such people allow one or two decent values to creep into their manifestos that most Tories could never support them. The only time the members themselves had a say, they went for IDS!! Says it all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 11 Dec 04 - 08:30 AM and another thing Ake... don't be jealous of the early retirement brigade. In a way they are the ultimate victims of society. what kind of a society have we with people queeing up to be declared useless. Its like something out of Huxley's Brave New World. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 11 Dec 04 - 05:43 AM Ake - the tories are NOT a spent force. Okay nobody with an IQ above room temperature will vote for this scrofulous, greasy Welsh creep Howard. The last four leaders they have had have varied from the half-witted(Major) to the catatonic(IDS), with the only yorkshire man to look as though he wouldn't eat his chips out of newspaper as light relief. They have only been chosen for their acceptability to the geriatric, racist, anti- europe, homophobic, hat wearing, card carriers. They have a very credible Prince across the water with Portillo. With him at the helm. They would soon be attracting funds and followers. He is intelligent ,dynamic and persuasive. (the description remind you of anybody?) and he could turn that party round in a trice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 11 Dec 04 - 04:57 AM This is something the people of the old Soviet block or Iraq could not do. Les, I think you'll find that the Soviet people - and democracy - were exactly the reasons the Soviet bloc was brought down. Remember how Yeltzin, sacked as city boss of Moscow by Gorbachev, got himself elected president of Russia? That presidency was a largely defunct sinecure when he went for it, but it gave him a colossal electoral mandate, enabling him to shunt out Gorby, who was to my mind the better guy. Ake, don't mention the racist card, or new LAbour will grab it as their own! |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Les in Chorlton Date: 11 Dec 04 - 03:59 AM GG supported the Soviet Union and does not appear to regret it. He has supported Sadam one way or another. That says everything about his judgement and his understanding of or his commitment to democracy. Most people wanted New Labour, better services, no more tax increases, low unemployment and a bunch of politicians that do not embarras us. We are getting some of this wrong. If we get it wrong enough, as we did with Sunny Jim Callaghan people will through us out as the have every right and responsibility to do. This is something the people of the old Soviet block or Iraq could not do. GG is a hobby politician but democracy is big enough to unaffected by his games. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: akenaton Date: 10 Dec 04 - 07:51 PM wld....I guess your hearts in the right place, but I really cant be arsed making the case again that New Labour is more of an obstacle to achievment of the kind of society we would like to see, than Howard and his monkeys will ever be. There is a popular feeling in this country against this government and its contempt for truth and justice, but that feeling will not be translated into support for the Tories, their days are gone, unless they bring out the rascist card. I think the anger of the people will be shown in direct action and support of minority issues against the system...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 10 Dec 04 - 07:21 PM Sure Galloway will triumph and succeed. By the sound of him, he will succeed in making a good living in the sort of rent a plonker role Tony Benn made his own unique contribution to English politics. They will dig him out, stick him on Question Time opposite David davies or some other Tory Rotweiler, who REALLY knows how to bite balls. Some one will ask should we have a national holiday for Saddam Husseins birthday to thank him for all these lovely mosques. Should all four year olds be armed with razor sharp bayonets to protect them from parental abuse. Whatever, some totally shit for brains suggestion - George will say definitely. and Davies says this is what the Labour party really want. This will happen every week for years. Eventually evrybody will believe it, and we will be shafted with another tory administration. Ake - maybe you wouldn't have had to expend quite as much sweat if this bloody country had been run properly. Think about those Tory years. Bloody millions poured away on a National Curriculum that every teacher in England knew was complete shit. Doctors being pressurised to run their practises like some sort of small business. And all the time money being spirited away from the children and the patients to pay for this crackpot right wing shit. Sling enough mud at Tony Blair and that's what you've got back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: akenaton Date: 10 Dec 04 - 06:12 PM Very well said fionn...and I'm sure Galloway will triumph. Hes a wily old fox in looks and actions and will have done his homework well. He will make full use of his popularity among the Muslim voters. All's fair in love and war.....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 10 Dec 04 - 05:33 PM McG, I've belatedly realised our paths crossed at the Black Lion. I always find these things out too late. Wolfgang, living standards were unquestionably poor in GDR and of course the state police were grotesquely, brutally intrusive. So it came as something of a surprise for me to discover that people can look back to that era as a time when they had security, and some degree of contentment. Contentment because there was so little rivalry of a materialist nature. If you had a car, it had to be a Trabbie, and that was that. Security because, on the whole, people all had jobs and knew they would continue to have jobs, no matter that some were mickey-mouse jobs by western standards. Even in Russia now, a sizeable part of the population yearn for the old days, when they all had jobs, there was nothing like the obscene wealth differentials that are pushed under their noses now, and they were not at the mercy of Merc-driving gangsters peddling drugs and vodka. Remember that people wept in their millions at Stalin's death, even though the self-same monster murdered millions of others. Les, what some people mean by democracy is the sight of light-weight sycomphants like Oonagh King asking ingratiating, planted questions at PMQs, in the hope that it will bring them preferment. I'm delighted Galloway has chosen her constituency to raise his flag, and if he is returned by the democratic process then democracy will indeed have been the winner, and we can look forward to some serious questions being asked of our leaders. If he doesn't win, maybe at least he will take enough votes to let a Tory come through the middle. Anything would be better for democracy than the breathtaking hypocrisy of new Labour. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: akenaton Date: 10 Dec 04 - 05:26 PM Agreed.,...A |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Les in Chorlton Date: 10 Dec 04 - 05:14 PM I guess this thread has lost all interest in GG and is now more interested in people who have posted to it, what else need be said? |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: akenaton Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:18 PM Very wise..Commandant of the UKs harshest "boot camp" springs to mind.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: GUEST,heric Date: 10 Dec 04 - 02:43 PM Teribus had an entire thread dedicated to slagging him and his efforts, shortly before he stopped bothering. I imagine he chose to redirect his energies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Les in Chorlton Date: 10 Dec 04 - 02:34 PM Which bit of Democracy was GG a hero of when he defended all that stuff in the Soviet block? |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: John MacKenzie Date: 10 Dec 04 - 06:06 AM Well setting the exchange rate for the Ostmark at one for one with the Deutchmark after reunification didn't do too much harm to the old East Germany! However a lot of people who worked in unsafe and dangerous chemical factories now closed down, are still looking for work. So as Kevin McGrath says swings and roundabouts. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Dec 04 - 05:38 AM What's controversial about saying that, Wolfgang? There would be nothing inconsistent between saying that and saying, for example, that conditions in East Germany are better for many or even most of the population? All big changes involve losers as well as winners, and not just fat-cat losers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Wolfgang Date: 10 Dec 04 - 05:01 AM Certainly conditions in the former GDR are actually a whole lot worse for many of the population there. (Peter K) Actually that makes me wonder about which planet you live on, Peter. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 09 Dec 04 - 08:52 PM Glad you're still around, Ake me old comrade. Our paths don't seem to cross much these days. If that's true about Greg, I think he should produce the key and let the old soldier out of his box. Teribus's presence invariably forced me to be just a tad less lazy than I normally tend to be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: akenaton Date: 09 Dec 04 - 03:24 PM Hi Peter, Glad to see you joining the small band of Mudcatters giving some support to George....Would have expected as much from you. I too have been wondering about the late lamented Teribus. Does anyone know anything about him, or where he's from? He had an Army bacxkground, is a R. Burns fan, and I am sure he's now living in retirement in Scotland. I think Greg Stevens holds the key....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy? From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 09 Dec 04 - 12:28 PM Well, Les, that just demonstrates George's foresight. I notice a couple of catters have fallen by the wayside since this thread was started. I fear I may be responsible for Gareth's departure (unintentionally - I thought he'd stay to fight his corner or take his lumps), but what has happened to Teribus? I'm pretty sure he's not masquerading under another name, because since July no posts have come close to matching his indefatigable contributions. |
