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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: GUEST,peter Date: 13 Dec 20 - 05:18 PM I always imagined the pub "down by the far side of the square" to be the Ring'O'Bells at 18 Bolton Road, on the far side of Forster Square. In the 1970s it was a large, snug but lively place - and served a great pint of hand pulled Tetleys. Just the place to take your lass on a Friday night. Bradford was blessed with many great Tetleys pubs then, mostly gone now. https://www.closedpubs.co.uk/yorkshire/bradford_bd1.html |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: GUEST,henryp Date: 18 Nov 16 - 08:01 PM Just enjoyed a wonderful evening with Bob Pegg and friends at Baccapipes in Keighley. He finished with The Gypsy. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: leeneia Date: 24 Sep 16 - 09:40 AM There are a number of videos for Mr. Fox on YouTube. Search for this: Mr. Fox Pegg to avoid getting links to a recent animated movie called Mr. Fox. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: leeneia Date: 24 Sep 16 - 09:15 AM Here's the URL for a YouTube video of this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGXR0NzN3Hw The tune seems easy to learn. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: Andrez Date: 24 Sep 16 - 02:38 AM What a beautiful piece of work! Many thanks guest Roger and all for adding another dimension to this wonderful dale tale :-) Cheers, Andrez |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: GUEST,In good company Date: 23 Sep 16 - 08:55 AM Very, very, well done indeed, Roger. Marvelous piece of work in gathering together the song, the route and the walk. I managed all the research but only managed the full route on wheels. I hope my little bit did help your adventure. Final bit of assistance - Blue clicky to the link you posted. Thinking about who now owns the scrapyard. Maybe Mary's son, that she bounced upon her knee, has come down from Dundee to claim his inheritance :-) If anyone else fancies the challenge but lacks transport, get in touch with me and, if possible, I will try to help. I am only an hours drive from anywhere on the walk. I will not put my contact details on a public forum but many people on here know how to contact me. More than happy to mirror the journey of the ride from somewhere between Bradford and Ilkely to Bolton Abbey and I will still be back in time for tea:-) Once again, well done Roger and keep up the good work (or good walk?) Cheers Dave |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: GUEST,Roger Date: 22 Sep 16 - 10:03 AM Hi all Here is my short description of the walk. Please feel free to copy and share - it would be great to get people doing it. The Gypsy Walk https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzCjomCcW38cTVd1SEdTRnFRdEE Roger |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: GUEST,Roger Date: 22 Sep 16 - 08:35 AM Hi Writing up the walk now. If I had known you were in Bradford I would have called in! Anyhow Lee's Auto Spares is, in my imagination at least, now run by Mary's younger brother. I also decide that the City Vaults is the pub down by the far side of the square. I will post the walk route when finished, maybe others will do it. Roger |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: GUEST,In good company Date: 19 Sep 16 - 06:09 AM Nice to see this old thread re-appear. It was me that started it but have now let my Mudcat membership go due to 'differences' with the management ;-) I never got to do it but, funnily enough, since the early posts I now work in Bradford and live in Airedale, near Skipton. The area I work in has a lot of Gypsy links, including Gypsy Lane and a lot of Gypsies seem to be resident nearby. Lee's scrapyard is not that far from where I work if it is the one I just looked up - Lee's auto spares, Mill Lane. Is that the same one, Roger? 3.5 miles from my office if so. I'd love to see any notes you took and you have inspired my to re-visit as soon as I get chance. Cheers Dave |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 19 Sep 16 - 05:45 AM Please do, Roger. Very interesting, as is the whole thread. (Nice to "see" Diane again, even if only in memory.) BTW, the gospel according to Facebook sez it's Carole Pegg's birthday today (she hasn't been Carolanne for years) so: Happy birthday Carole, and many, many more... |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: GUEST,Roger Date: 18 Sep 16 - 06:38 AM Finished walk - magic! Will do some notes and post here. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: GUEST Date: 13 Sep 16 - 01:09 PM I am in Kettlewell YHA now having walked from Ilkley. The walk fits the song so well. I don't normally plug into music when walking but did so a couple of times and the experience was magic. Taken lots of photos and will put them on line when finished. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: Andrez Date: 11 Sep 16 - 07:09 PM How exciting! Let us know how it goes and what you find. Cheers, Andrez (A Gypsy fan from way back :-) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: GUEST,Roger Date: 11 Sep 16 - 05:27 PM Off tomorrow to walk the route of the song - starting in Bradford where I have found a Lee's scrap yard so I will be visiting there. I will also see if I can locate the pub down by the far side of the square serving Tetleys, but Bradford has been much modernised since the 1970s! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: GUEST,Peter Date: 16 Jul 14 - 02:37 PM St Martin's College Lancaster that was, now the University of Cumbria, late in the band's career. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: GUEST,Peter Ford Date: 16 Jul 14 - 02:35 PM Some brilliant postings here. Thanks to all for filling in some of the many gaps in my knowledge of the Mr. Fox repertoire. The live concert at St Martin's college was unforgettable, with some small variations from the recorded version of The Gypsy, but the essence was there. Particularly the wonderful single chord harmonium drone sequence, with Bob pedalling to keep up the pressure and also singing. All beautifully kno#itted together. Bob and the bend were generous with their time after the concert, answering questions and even demonstrating songs that wer 'in the pipeline', including the Lovecraftian 'Deep in the cavern where sleeps the great Cthulhu . . ' Outstanding was 'Take me to the captain' with Bob on pounding electric guitar creating a chilling and typically characyter driven scenario within minurtes about the 'Philadelphia experiment' and its effect on those involved. Bob was also kind enough to send me the lyrics when I wrote to him about the somng, though I have never heard it again. Long live the weird and wild sounds of Mr. Fox! Cheers, Peter. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 19 Nov 11 - 09:15 AM I think it must have been the Native American judging by the amount of threads on here of late :-) D. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: Geoff the Duck Date: 19 Nov 11 - 08:06 AM Did the motorcycle cop get there before the construction worker? Quack! GtD. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 18 Nov 11 - 06:53 PM Never noticed that before - Many ages later the Village People came... :D |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 18 Nov 11 - 06:48 PM No Gypsy I'm afraid but quite a bit of Mr Fox on YouTube - Including one of my favourites - The Hanged Man (over a year too late!) DtG |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Bob Pegg/Mr Fox) From: GUEST,Steve of W Date: 27 Sep 10 - 04:12 PM When will someone put this lovely song on YouTube - I've not heard it for more than 20 years! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: Jack Blandiver Date: 27 Jul 10 - 09:12 AM What is it with Bob that this sort of magic seems to follow him around? I caught his children's show Beasties once and it similiarly enthralling... |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: GUEST,Peter Date: 27 Jul 10 - 09:04 AM It's good to know that Mr Fox's music lives on and particularly that 'The Gypsy' continues to inspire and enthrall, with people even now retracing the route and discussing the lyrics. For the record- when I heard Mr Fox live I recall the wry humour of some of the song introductions; Re the Butter Tubs - if you look in you can see (pause) orange peel (etc) RE.sailors walking through walls in 'Take me to the Captain' - 'this was - inconvenient' Keep up the good work. Some of it was quite gothic, I recall. After the show, Bob and Carole sang some verses from a song based on the stories of H.P. Lovecraft, with evocative minor-key accompaniment on Melodica. I also recall the 'haunted' harmonium and's dog running up and down the aisle before the concert |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: GUEST,oggie Date: 01 Mar 10 - 04:52 AM "In the meantime you can always blog it along with And Now it is So Early - an ever rarer slab of classic B & C Pegg with some truly choice cuts. Now I'm sure we had a thread about that lying around here some place... " Ah yes, I was referring to a proper release with the artists getting the royalties to which they are entitled. Now I'm sure we had a thread about that lying around here someplace... Steve |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: GUEST,Mad spaniel Date: 01 Mar 10 - 04:25 AM My brother owed this record and i loved the cover as a youngster just getting into music. I think i have it now somewhere in the attic and when i get home tonight i'm gonna find it out! Thanks for the thread |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: Jack Blandiver Date: 28 Feb 10 - 06:15 PM One day, if there is any justice, it will prove possible to re-release "He came from the mountains". In the meantime you can always blog it along with And Now it is So Early - an ever rarer slab of classic B & C Pegg with some truly choice cuts. Now I'm sure we had a thread about that lying around here some place... |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: Edthefolkie Date: 28 Feb 10 - 06:01 PM All that country is magical - I think I feel the old Settle-Carlislitis coming on. Ah, the delight of standing on the mound just north of Ribblehead Viaduct waiting for an hour to phot a steam train while the snow falls UP your trouser legs..... |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: Jack Blandiver Date: 28 Feb 10 - 04:10 PM Said bag had a foam sealing strip which was supposed to stop the disc from falling out. The strip was actually to clean the record as it went in & out the bag. Any other examples of this? Otherwise the vinyl sleeve of The Gypsy is a classic. The title of Mendle comes from a spoonerism of Mist over Pendle, a book about Lancashire witches Carol Pegg was reading at the time. The record company wouldn't let them use the full title for fear of causing offence but Mendle is something wondrous for sure. I've done some of the walk, certainly over Buttertubs Pass; the Buttertubs themselves are worth a look. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: GUEST,oggie Date: 28 Feb 10 - 04:07 PM One day, if there is any justice, it will prove possible to re-release "He came from the mountains". Steve |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: Edthefolkie Date: 28 Feb 10 - 03:48 PM Thanks for reviving this thread Spleen/Cringe and for the info about the rerelease! I bought both the Mr Fox albums when they first came out - I had only the vaguest idea what Bob had been doing since he was in the year above me at school, and I was absolutely knocked sideways by his songwriting. Talk about a renaissance man - apart from all his other abilities, I remember Bob in Julius Caesar at school - we all thought the cast were jammy because they got away with Beatle haircuts. Bob got a five star review in the school mag. He later did some of the pictures on Fairport's Liege and Lief inner cover. I must now replay both the albums, remembering to be very careful with "The Gypsy". Somebody at Transatlantic had the mad idea of doing a gatefold sleeve with the record sandwiched in a polythene bag in the middle. Said bag had a foam sealing strip which was supposed to stop the disc from falling out. Not only did this not work, but the polythene bag eventually became detached and fell out too! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: Dave the Gnome Date: 28 Feb 10 - 01:37 PM I didn't Mr Cringe, or may I call you Spleen? Funily enough though I have just got back from a weekend in the dales - See the thread about The Station at Ribblehead. I will some day though and when I do I will give pleanty of advance warning. Cheers DeG |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe Date: 28 Feb 10 - 10:25 AM Updating a very old thread. You probably all know that the reissue, "Join Us In Our Game" includes all the tracks off the two albums, including the wonderful "Mendle" which was missed off the earlier reissue. More importantly, did you ever do the walk, Dave? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: GUEST Date: 17 Nov 03 - 08:48 AM Elvira Madigan (a lovely song) seems to have been inspired by a real-life story though probably Bob Pegg first heard about it from the opera (by Mozart, I think). There was also a film of the same name (I am not sure whether this was before or after the Mr. Fox LP) which I recorded on Video tape though I didn't have the patience to watch it right through and think I have wiped it. If you look up "Elvira Madigan" on the Internet you should find something about it including a photo of the headstone. I don't think Elvira Madigan (which sounds Irish) was her real name. Pity also that the track "Mendel" was left off the CD of the Mr. Fox double album. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: Folkiedave Date: 16 Nov 03 - 04:33 PM I have the orginal vinyl recording on my web site if anywone wants to buy it. Regards, Dave www.collectorsfolk.co.uk |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Nov 03 - 02:49 PM I am indeed! Just need to loose about 72 stone and catch up with the last years inactivity! I think we all know the where and why. I'll keep anyone interested posted as to the when:-) Cheers :D |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: The Borchester Echo Date: 16 Nov 03 - 06:09 AM And especially not to go anywhere near the Clyde where I hear the air-sea rescue divers are equpped only with candles... Are you serious about 'Join us in our game' up the Dales in the springtime? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Nov 03 - 05:47 AM I was Guest 02:05. Pesky Fox must have ate my biscuit... Thanks for the enlightenment Countess. Where has Earl Richard gone anyway? Tell him to watch out for pretty ladies with concealed weapons...:-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: allanwill Date: 15 Nov 03 - 09:12 PM Just to flesh out the details of the original LP (for those interested): Mr Fox - The Gipsey (note spelling). Transatlantic Records TRA236 1971 The group consisted of Bob Pegg (vocals, organ, melodeon, tin whistle, acoustic guitar, piano, electric bass (on House Carpenter), bass drum), Carole Pegg (vocals, acoustic and electric fiddles, tom-tom), Barry Lyons (vocals, electric bass, American dulcimer, sopranino (?) recorder, tambourine) and Alan Eden (vocals, percussion) Chorus on All The Good Times by the Gridley Tabernacle Choir and Orchestra. Produced by Bill Leader, Engineer - Nic Kinsey, recorded at Livingstone Studios, Barnet. Cover design by Ann Winterbothum (?), Inside drawings by Bob Pegg. AND, remember this? - "This record is stereo. It can be played with excellent results and without damage on most mono players, provided they are fitted with a compatible or stereo cartridge wired for mono sound. If in doubt, consult your dealer" Allan |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: The Borchester Echo Date: 15 Nov 03 - 07:09 PM Earl Richard is a hunting gone...so the Countess is out to play. Does that help? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: GUEST Date: 15 Nov 03 - 02:05 PM That's the general idea, Sir or Madam! (C'mon - how do you expect me to know with a handle like Countess Richard!) And if there ain't any music at the pubs we stop at - there soon will be:-) Cheers :D |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: The Borchester Echo Date: 15 Nov 03 - 09:34 AM I love mad ideas! In early April this year I walked the Hambledon Drove Road section of the Cleveland Way and part of the Lyke Wake walk. I'm up for this one. We could all have Mr Fox on our walkmans...and try and make the overnight stops at pubs with music. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: Dave the Gnome Date: 15 Nov 03 - 08:30 AM Update received:-) I wrote to Bob who proved he was an all round good chap, as well as a brilliant songwriter and performer, by providing me with the information I asked for. So, directly from the writer... Many thanks for your message about The Gypsy. The place where the white lady walks into Oughtershaw Beck is not long after the road over to Gayle crosses the beck at Deepdale. There's a pool where Jacky Beresford (who's mentioned in the song) told me his uncle and father had once seen a white lady walk along the road and into the water. I'm not sure that gypsy caravans would ever have tried to get over the Buttertubs pass, though they would have been able to find camping places near Keld. The song was intended as part love story and part celebration of my affection for the Dales landscape so some poetic licence was necessary. I imagined the couple spent their last night together in one of the fields just before you come into Keld. I would still love to do the walk come spring and will probably look for the pool then if not before. I'll keep you posted as and when I formulate more of a plan to the mad idea;-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Jun 03 - 11:41 AM 'twas not I M'G of A! Lancashire lad born a bred - and my Dad is from Poland! I have pretty well used or booked my hols up for this year but I will plan on the walk next spring possibly - Could fit in with the song as well. I think 3 days would be good so doing it on a Sunday may be difficult! Unless we split it up. Public transport is also a problem in that area but we can always arrage transport somehow. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: GUEST,M'Grath of Altcar Date: 25 Jun 03 - 08:24 AM Great thread!! When do you want to do the walk then Dave? I'm up for it (If it's on a Sunday, and if public transport permits) Come on wimps - dig out your walking trousers. Dave - are you connected (via your Dad?) to the Grove folk club in Leeds? Man that was SOME folk club. If so, I stayed at your house a few times in the late seventies. Greetings !! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: GUEST,DtG sans cookie Date: 25 Jun 03 - 06:40 AM If you don't want to wait or cannot get to see Bob at Whitby try contacting him through - http://www.rhiannonrecords.co.uk/text/artist.html Hope this helps DtG |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bob Peggs 'The Gypsy' From: GUEST,Mandolin Al Date: 24 Jun 03 - 05:50 PM OK so where does anyone suggest we search for the chords and melodies for Gypsy and Leaving the Dales. Some one some where must know them. Being new to this how do we find them? Any help would be appreciated. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bob Peggs 'The Gypsy' From: Dave the Gnome Date: 24 Jun 03 - 05:50 AM Not me I'm afraid:-( Just the words and CD! DtG |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bob Peggs 'The Gypsy' From: GUEST Date: 24 Jun 03 - 02:49 AM Well said Mandolin al! you beat me to it. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bob Peggs 'The Gypsy' From: GUEST,Mandolin Al Date: 23 Jun 03 - 06:51 PM Anyone got the melody and chords for Bob Peggs "The Gypsy" and also for his "Leaving the Dales" from Mr Fox (1970 Transatlantic Records Ltd)? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mr Fox - The Gypsy From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 May 03 - 09:59 AM They did with Elvira Madigan though, Elfcall! Not sure if the film inspired to the song, the song the film or if the story inspiered both independantly... Cheers DtG |
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