any one going to tolpuddle?

Subject: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: ossonflags
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 11:04 AM

Any mudcatters going? I am travelling up next friday lunch coming back monday.Went last year and it was superb!! Apart from every thing else there is a chance to see and hear Eric Bogle.Camping is twenty sovs for the weekend.For more info go to TUC site,

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 11:42 AM

Yes - please see the following thread for all the details.

PELs-Protest invitation 18-20 July

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 07:53 AM

I will be in the Martyrs Inn for the session at lunchtime on Saturday.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: GUEST,ossonflags
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 11:49 AM

I have checked with the TUC regarding camping.They hve told me just turn up and pay on the day.There will be plenty of room.I did this last year and there was no problem.Is it a mixed session in the "Martyrs" or is it just musicians?

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 04:37 PM

Friday 18 July

Camping contact South West TUC to book your pitch £20 per pitch
SW TUC Church House, Church Rd, Filton, Bristol BS34 7BD

8pm The Martyrs Marquee
'Come all ye' session. An evening of singing songs, old and new. Whether you sing, play and instrument or just hum along, get down and join in.
Licensed bar and food on sale.

Saturday 19 July
From noon onwards:

Singer-songwriter sessions in the Tolpuddle village hall.

Fiddles, banjos, whistles traditional music in the Martyrs Inn

Sing/around session in the Festival Beer tent

Radical choirs singing in the Martyrs Marquee

Plus the Tolpuddle Summers School discuss current issues facing the Trade Union Movement
Details to be announced nearer to the time.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Gareth
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 07:38 PM

Sorry - I've a long memory. The presence of the Right Honarable Anthony Wedgewood-Benn Second Viscout Stansgate destroys it as a celebration of working class history.

Gareth

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 06:29 AM

But Kim Howells may show up Gareth.

That would balance this out.

*Smiles*

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 06:34 AM

Wasn't it a Labour Government that was resposnible for him having that peerage he didn't want?

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: GUEST,ossonflags
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 09:38 AM

sad,sad,sad,sadder.Who gives a tuppeny turd about Tony Benn being there or not being there.Lets look at the thousands of unsung activists and their famillys who will be at Tolpuddle honouring and celebrating an important part of our history.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 10:35 AM

I will be at Tolpuddle on Sunday but in true working class style only because we are booked to do the street music scene round the village.
I will be pleased to meet any Catters on the day but please dont talk to us in the middle of a song/tune.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 09:43 AM

This is mainly a fine day out in the country with (hopefully) summer sun thrown in.

There is the chance to listen to and/or to join in and make some music. The nature of the event means that your involvement or not in any form of politics is not really important in order to do this....

I fear that many people will be put off attending by continuing the political, if light-hearted spats with Gareth (or others) in this thread. For in truth - these do not belong here and are a hang-over from the (many) PEL/Licensing Bill ones.

Sorry.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: ossonflags
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 02:25 AM

Is it ok to wave,leadfingers?

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 03:07 AM

Wave away mate . Come and have a chat, but as you will appreciate its a real pain when you are 'Working' if someone starts a conversation when you have your mouth full of whistle or are trying to remember the next verse,and What IS that harmony line? Look forward to meeting
ANY Catters at Tolpuddle.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: ossonflags
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 04:45 AM

I will leadfingers me owld mate!! -and i do know what you are saying about chatting when you are trying to do a bit.The worst has got to be when someone asks for a request of " their favourite song" and then procedes to tell all and sundry in earshot what a great song it is whilst you are doing it!!!
And again there MUST be more catters going to the Tolpuddle.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 04:45 AM

Can we wave the right number of fingers to indicate the tune is in "D"?

And if you happen to be in C or G will that put you off (tee-hee)?

Of course if an american passed by tehn he may need to be told teh key is "G".

Did I mention that I took key signatures as a divine message indicating that C Sharp House ought really to be seven flats?

THis weekend had better be good!

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: ossonflags
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 04:52 AM

It will be richard, it will be.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: sweetfire
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 05:30 AM

Osson, you say if you camp just to turn up and pay...but how much is it? It sounds like a good festival. Where abouts is it?

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 05:38 AM

cant do both this and saddleworth, sf!

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 05:46 AM

The Tolpuddle Martyrs Rally
Friday 18 Saturday 19 and Sunday 20 July 2003.
Tolpuddle village
Dorset
Tolpuddle is off the main London Road - the A35 just east of Dorchester.

The following site has the details + a map
http://www.tuc.org.uk/the_tuc/tuc-6486-f0.cfm

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 05:53 AM

What,they,having,it,in,Dorchester,for?
its,bloody,miles,away!

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: sweetfire
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 06:24 AM

What ya mean i have to make a choice? I was just asking questions that's all!!!

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 06:30 AM

Eh?

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 06:32 AM

Its a bit like the Irish taxi driver - who when driving a fare to the airport was asked why they built it so far away from the city - he replied that it was where the planes land................

John...They have the Tolpuddle Martyrs Rally every year at Tolpuddle to celebrate the fact that the Tolpuddle Martyrs came from Tolpuddle.

'What else would you expect to see from a Torquay hotel window - herds of wildebeast roaming the Serengeti'?

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 06:34 AM

Choices choices- you have so many to make...


jOhn, they're having it in |Tolpuddle, where the Tolpuddle Martyrs came from.
It's not bloody miles away from people living in Tolpuddle...

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 06:41 AM

great minds...

...sweeping majestically across the plains... ?

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 06:46 AM

Oh.
Ps,We,did,about,this,at,skool,but
i,left,skool,nearly,20,years,ago,so,i,forgot,all,about,it.
was,it,somrthing,to,do,with,fair,wages,for,farmers?

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 08:30 AM

MGoH,

"Wasn't it a Labour Government that was resposnible for him having that peerage he didn't want?"

Correct in as much as Clement Attlee raised Tony Benn's father to the peerage. At that time the honour was hereditary, therefore William Benn's eldest son would automatically inherit the title.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: GUEST,ossonflags
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 11:41 AM

john, it is in dorset and is five and a half hours drive from 'ull.

sweetfire the camping fee is twenty pounds per pitch fer't whole weekend.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 05:03 AM

For a potted history of the Tolpuddle Martyrs -

http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/England-History/TolpuddleMartyrs.htm

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 05:42 AM

G'day Shambles,

I'll be with you, in spirits, from half a world away. I can't make it in the flesh, it's a hell of a way to go. Even further than for John,in,Hull...

Two sets of my forebears lived not too far from Tolpuddle (Netherbury and Lyme Regis). Methinks they were of the same mindset as the Martyrs, for they emmigrated south (voluntarily) within a few years.

We used to celebrate the event in Wellington, NZ, in the late 50s...

Have a bloody good weekend mate! I'm having a shot for the Tolpuddle Martyrs and the TUCs of the world. Don't panic if a ghostly voice comes over your shoulder this weekend.

'Wobblies of the World' - Sam

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 07:17 AM

Is there perhaps some irony in that performing this year is Eric Bogle - coming as he is, from the very place where many of the Martyrs were transported to, thousands of miles from their homes? [Or at least all the way from the previous gig of his UK tour]

I think that not making the trip from NZ to Tolpuddle can be forgiven....After all - it is a little bit more than a five and half hour drive.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 08:07 AM

I'll Bogle with you! Have a neat time - songs and TUC!

Sam

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: ossonflags
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 08:10 AM

ta very much Billy!!

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 10:43 AM

Have a great time Mick! We're with you in spirit, although in actual fact we'll be round at Brid Widd's drinking spirits.

Les and Maggie

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: GUEST,ossonflags
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 05:45 AM

I may have a slight libation myself ,les!

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: GUEST,billy bob
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 06:30 AM

aslef, the union, are arranging a bus
from kings cross on the sunday
leaving about 8am and retuning at k/x about 9:30pm
tickets are £10
i'm trying to find out how many seats are avalable
when i've more info i'll let you know

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: GUEST,billybob
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 07:15 AM

yip there are about 5 seets going
any one interested can e-mail me at
[e-mail]
befor 4pm on sat

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Snuffy
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 08:19 AM

Why are train drivers going by bus? And shouldn't it be Waterloo for Tolpuddle, not King's cross?

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: GUEST,billybob
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 08:44 AM

i don't know
i was just told to say
there's truble at mill
i didn't expect some kind of spanish inquisition!!!

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 09:44 AM

London's Kings Cross station serves anyone arriving on trains from the north (even off-duty train drivers).

There would indeed be little point in supplying a coach to supply Tolpuddle from Waterloo - as of course you could get a train from there to Dorchester (or even Wool). However you would still have a bit of a problem -as public transport from there to Tolpuddle is not very frequent.

A shared taxi fare would not be too unreasonable however.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 11:10 AM

If you get off the Waterloo to Weymouth train at Moreton of course - this is only about 5 miles from Tolpuddle.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: running.hare
Date: 20 Jul 03 - 05:44 PM

"What,they,having,it,in,Dorchester,for?
its,bloody,miles,away!"

So I could walk over Friday night of course!! (2 1/2mies across the feilds & hills)

Some Stunning Music all weekend, & came away with a coupe of souverneirs (sunburnt ankles, & A CD.) Roll on next year....

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jul 03 - 06:35 PM

Well I enjoyed it!

But I'm right off teh M25, M3, A31! A35 seems rather better.

No facilities for amateur musicians ont eh Sunday tho

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: running.hare
Date: 21 Jul 03 - 03:38 PM

BTW   Did Billy Bragg make it in the end????
(had to leave early cos of a friends Birthday party)

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 21 Jul 03 - 08:05 PM

Having been elected to parliament in 1950, Tony Benn became Viscount Stansgate in 1960 on his father's death. As noted above, the title had been created for Tony's father some years earlier.

As a member of the House of Lords, albeit a reluctant one, Benn was no longer eligible to sit as an MP. There was, however, nothing to stop him standing as an MP, so he stood again, and won. As he was still ineligible to take his seat, it went to the (Tory) runner-up.

Benn then campaigned for legislation to tackle this nonsense, and thus the Peerage Act was passed in 1963 (under a Tory government, incidentally). The Tory MP who had succeeded him immediately did the decent thing and resigned his seat, causing another by-election which, predictably enough, Benn won.

Let Gareth sneer with his usual ignorance (his memory may be long, but he's got that long-abandoned mouthful of a title wrong in at least three ways). The fact remains that Benn has done as much as anyone, and more than most politicians, to break down the class barriers that have defiled UK society for generations. I didn't make it to Tolpuddle, but for all Gareth's spluttering, I'm sure Benn will have had a rousing reception from his many lifelong friends in the union movement.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Jul 03 - 08:56 PM

I,reckon,Tony-Benn,is,a,good,bloke.
He,would,have,been,a,far,better,Prime-Minister
than,Tony-Blair.
[we,would,not,have,gone,to,war,with,Iraq,for,example]

Did,anyone,hear,him,on,last,weeks,
Mike-Harding,show?,It,was,good.
if,you,missed,it,go,to,the,BBC,Radio2,website,
and,click,on,the,"listen-again",thing.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 03:54 AM

Bragg was jetlagged but good!

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Gareth
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 07:23 PM

Fionn is as always wrong. Benn AKA Stansgate was largely responsible for the continuation of the Thatcher Gvmt in the 1980's. And how did that break down class barriers ?

Terribus a minor correction, Attlee did not creat the Stansgate peerage Ramsey McDonald did.

Gareth

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 08:22 AM

Sorry Gareth, I got the information by going to Google, typing "Lord Stansgate" and opening a link "William Wedgwood Benn". The following is the relevant excerpt from the text of that link:

"Although nearly sixty-three at the outbreak of the Second World War, Benn enlisted in the Royal Air Force as a pilot officer. Over the next four years he flew on several operational missions. Given the rank of Air Commodore, Benn worked for a while as Director of Public Relations at the Air Ministry. In 1944 he became a member of the Allied Control Commission that had the responsibility of reconstructing a democratic government in Italy.

In December 1940, Benn was asked by Clement Attlee to become a Labour member of the House of Lords. At that time all peerages were hereditary and meant that on his death, the title would be transferred to his eldest son. He therefore discussed it with Michael, his eldest son, telling him that "If you don't want to go to the House of Lords, I shall turn it down." Michael had already decided he wanted to be an Anglican clergyman and replied that he (his father) could argue for socialism in the House of Lords while Tony, the younger brother, could do the same in the House of Commons. Benn took the title Lord Stansgate.

Michael and Tony Benn both joined the Royal Air Force during the war. Tony successfully served as a pilot officer in South Africa and Rhodesia, but Michael was tragically killed on 23rd June, 1944, when as a result of a faulty air speed indicator, his aircraft crashed at Chichester.

After the 1945 General Election, Clement Attlee appointed Lord Stansgate as his Secretary of State for Air. He held the post until October 1946, but continued to play an active role supporting the Labour Party in the House of Lords until his death on 17th November 1960.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 09:50 AM

Details and some photos of the 2003 event here.

http://www.tuc.org.uk/the_tuc/tuc-6917-f0.cfm

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 03:29 PM

The 2004 event is Friday 16 to Sunday 18 July.

Some folky highlights - all free except the Saturday night.

Friday 8pm - Cellidh - Some of the South West's finest traditional musicians playing the Festival warm-up session, guest musicians welcome.

Saturday - Traditional sessions all afternoon in the Beer Tent turn-up, sign in and play.

Main stage - A full afternoon programme of music for everyone, from 1pm to 6pm, including country and roots with Touchwood, The Hanes Family, Mr Love and Justice and more. A Musicians Union and Worker's Beer Tent Company showcase to spot the freshest talent coming up from the grassroots

7pm Martyrs Marquee
Tolpuddle Man. Written by Graham Moore, this play tells the story of the Tolpuddle Martyrs in words and song. This popular performance is bound to be a sell-out so book early. £10 admission.
Followed at 9 pm by the Oyster Band.

Sunday All free - 11am to 5pm - Martin Jeremiah - Brenden Coker - Billy Bragg - Dhol Blasters - Oyster Band - Asere.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 05:07 AM

Thank you Sham, was brilliant last year. If I can get dogsitters, I'll be there!

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 09:31 PM

feresh

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Cats
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 05:05 AM

Been going for about 20 years and walking with my Regional and national banner every time. Played there for many years in the house bands and friends. Think I'd miss it?

The thing not to be missed is what it's all about... look for the moment when the Trade Union leaders walk through the village carrying the wreaths for the grave and lay them in the churchyard. It's small, not obvious, but incredibly moving.

There was a reminder that it was on at the Women's TUC conference 2 weeks ago.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 06:20 PM

The 2004 details do not seem to have found their way on to a website yet but this should be the place to look - a little closer to the time?

http://www.tuc.org.uk/the_tuc/index.cfm?mins=75

I hope your dog can be sat Richard and that you will be able to attend. We won't be able to see you there if you do, as we will be in Ireland over that weekend. Bad planning.

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: Callie
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 12:14 AM

Hi everyone

Callie from Sydney here. My trio Touchwood (www.touchwoodweb.com) will be performing at Tolpuddle this year and we're greatly looking forward to it. Hope all you Mudcatters will make yourselves known to us - it will be nice to meet in person!

We were at the festival in 2001 and it was one of the highlights of our trip.

see you soon!

Callie

Subject: RE: any one going to tolpuddle?
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 15 Jul 09 - 05:47 PM

2009 anyyone going?