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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: GUEST,fred miller no cookie Date: 15 Aug 03 - 09:32 AM Yes, I agree Kendall except I allow it might be worse. But the bad things about the unions are that they have to try to codify, blind, things that could be better decided by attention and knowledge. If only that was the real alternative, but it generally isn't. I've wound up measuring out my efforts rather guardedly, like many a teamster, because some co-workers are content to let you carry their weight. And if you work your hardest when you feel okay, there's no help for you when you happen to be under the weather. In many ways it was a good job, where you can see the purpose of your efforts, get a good hard workout, have fun busting your butt--yet it gets spoiled, and it's a shame. I'm going to miss those things the vampire humor--things are funny at 3 in the morning that aren't in daylight hours. Again, it goes back to the fact that people who should never have been hired in the first place were hired, because the supervisors get bonuses for numbers, blindly. And anyway if it weren't for the union, there certainly wouldn't be the health insurance for part-timers, which is the only reason I was there at all. That counterbalances any criticism I have, by a good measure. Thanks Amos. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: kendall Date: 14 Aug 03 - 08:00 PM As a history major, I can state with some knowledge that without labor unions, we would /will be back working 15 hour days for a dollar a day. Labor unions created the middle class. They gave us the weekend, overtime, minimum wage etc. I lived through the "Great depression" and I dont want to go through that again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Amos Date: 14 Aug 03 - 06:05 PM Congrats, Fred! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Sam L Date: 14 Aug 03 - 04:42 PM Good one MAV, funny, and beautifully confused. Beau disodre, ? I think that's the French term. A lot of liberal things are pretty awful. Tomorrow is my last day in a stupid labor union, for example. But I blame conservatives for these stupid clumsy counter-measures, since we've already seen what happens without them, and it's worse than stupid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: jimmyt Date: 14 Aug 03 - 03:46 PM Kendall, sounds more like the definition of a Libertarian to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: kendall Date: 14 Aug 03 - 03:41 PM I'll drink to that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy Date: 14 Aug 03 - 03:08 PM Love & Truth & just a little Vermouth that's what Liberals are made of |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: kendall Date: 14 Aug 03 - 12:53 PM Liberal. The act of leaving others to hell alone. Conservative. Anal control freak judgemental fearful of change |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Amos Date: 13 Aug 03 - 10:50 PM Liberal equals authoritarian? Huh??? Someoen's been slicing the dictionary and gluing the chunks back crooked. It is obvious to me that there is no definition. The very word Liberal comes from the Latin root for freedom. In fact Fascism is about the opposite of liberal thought. Conservatives who pass acts like the Patriot act which is anti-consittutionalist are now claiming to be pro-consitutional? This is topsy turvy stuff indeed. They want to enforce faith-based agendae via the Federal government and claim they are being constitutionalist? Excyoooose me? I'd like to know what the hell is really going on here. Why are these terms being twisted around like this? It's infuriating and quite stupid. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: MAV Date: 13 Aug 03 - 10:06 PM Don't make me come down there!!!
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: GUEST,Paul D Date: 12 Aug 03 - 10:36 PM "A conservative is someone who refuses to quote anyone but dead radicals." - some dead radical If there were no liberals, we would never get rid of the bad. If there were no consevatives, we would never hold on to the good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Sam L Date: 07 Aug 03 - 06:03 PM Yes, Ebbie. But I suppose there's another side to the coin. At least one liberal I know suffers from chronic hamletitis. And there's a special kind of embarrassment reserved for liberals when the most well-informed thing to do turns out for all the world to be an error, and the brashest resolve turns out right for unexpected reasons. Conservative views wouldn't interest me at all if it weren't for the "green Acres" phenomenon of some inexplicable coherence of conservative nonsense. That's what I wish some brilliant conservative could explain to me. Two wrongs don't make a right, but sometimes 20 or 30 of them come out okay, somehow. I have a conservative character, in that respect, on race and gender equality. All that we can know about race and gender intelligences or merit tests or whatever means nothing to me. I believe in a general concept of equality, which I prefer to any and all information. I distrust all the means of measure, am bored by the fine points and brave scholarship. It may be true but it isn't useful for me to know. There was a multi-million dollar study here on where a bridge should be built, and the result was an answer any schoolkid looking at the map would've given, the closest span. I'm not saying it wasn't wise to do the study, but I'm personally familiar with the tendency to carefully plan more things than one ever has resources left to actually get done. Conservative resolve really bothers me when the same proven mistakes are made over and over, as if any study were necesary to know better. The psychological basis of conservative and liberal tendencies is interesting, but for some reason whenever you characterize anyone or anything, it often comes out kind of offensive, even if it isn't meant to be. People want to wiggle out of it. The study that started these recent threads probably could've said pretty much the same things in more positive terms, but I think people still resist it. I think liberals could write a better criticism of their own faults than those above. For one thing, conservatives are too annoyed and impatient to take much trouble with it. But the epistemology behind it is fun, and I once did an experiment to see what my daughter's politics were, when she was 5, I think. I said "Because I said so". She got this look on her face, and said That's not a reason! Raging liberal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: GUEST,pdq Date: 07 Aug 03 - 12:35 PM Son, this is a Beach Party movie. Your job is to wait until the plot bogs down, then run out and yell "Surf's Up" "SURF'S UP" Son, I said wait until the plot bogs down, then yell "Surf's Up". The movie hasn't even begun yet. "SURF'S UP" |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Greg F. Date: 07 Aug 03 - 12:09 PM That's not a redneck, Kendall, that's a Republican. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Little Hawk Date: 06 Aug 03 - 10:34 PM That play was a lot of fun, Jimmy. It was written by a friend of mine, a poet and sometime playwright. Bankers are very unpopular in Canada these days for a number of reasons...I think they are becoming even more unpopular than lawyers and child-molesters but it's a little hard to tell. I think the idea of a bridge to Cuba is a very bad one! It would be the equivalent of building an underground tunnel to Mexico that surfaces somewhere in Los Angeles and has no guards at the American end. In other words, it would be lively! There's a rumour going around in Latin America that you can cop a higher lifestyle in the old USA (which may or may not happen for a given individual...depends on a number of factors). Only difference is, the USA chooses to treat Cubans (usually) as political refugees. Believe me, they wouldn't if it was easier for the Cubans to make the crossing in large numbers! The actual fact is, most of these people are primarily economic refugees. Build a bridge to China or the Phillipines and see what happens!!! Anyway, it's a moot point. The imminent Martian invasion on Aug 31 will leave these minor Earthling issues in the dust... (see "Attack Coming on August 27th!" thread). :-) - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: kendall Date: 06 Aug 03 - 07:37 PM A redneck is one who has all the answers and none of the facts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Ebbie Date: 06 Aug 03 - 06:46 PM I'd say you're right, Fred. At least, it's the Republicans, by and large, who want the capital moved closer to the financial centers. I sometimes think it boils down to this: Liberals tend always to have more questions; they want more information. Conservatives think they already have all the answers that matter...usually because their father/the head of the party/ the president of the country gave the answers to them. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Sam L Date: 06 Aug 03 - 04:15 PM Ebbie, I'd guess the liberals wanted to do a study? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Sam L Date: 06 Aug 03 - 02:53 PM I'll get around to posting a photo sometime, but I'm only slowly moving into the last century. The women in my family turn out very nice, but us guys are just sort of unremarkably potato-faced. I have some very conservative friends who are always forwarding conservative e-mail things to me. Got one this morning about Robin William's plan for peace--very pro-U.S., in the vein of the Powell remark, but more expansive. I wonder if it's the comedian Robin Williams, or someone else? The style of humor seems different. I suppose I don't come across well in disagreements online. I like to argue and have a juvenile smart-ass streak. I enjoy trolls sometimes, and the fuss they stir up. I can usually laugh at my pretentions, but I still have them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: GUEST Date: 06 Aug 03 - 12:32 PM Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............................. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Ebbie Date: 06 Aug 03 - 12:11 PM Alaska as a whole has often debated moving the capital from Juneau in the panhandle to the Anchorage area, its most populous region, and the question has often been on the ballots. One year a second measure was put on the ballot that demanded that a study be done beforehand on what the total costs of a move would be. The second measure passed but even at that, 68,000 people said, in essence, Nah. We don't need to know how much it will cost. Question: Which were the conservatives, which the liberals? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: jimmyt Date: 06 Aug 03 - 10:59 AM LittleHawk, Just went looking at yooour photo, and damn, do you ever look like a money grubbing capitalist playacting as the world's richest meanest banker! I do a lot of theater also. I think pewrhaps we could do the odd couple? just a thought, but I am sure Fred Could be one of our card playing beer drinking buddies? all proceeds to go to the Fred Miller Tax fund, and the much maligned Bridge to Cuba? could work!!! Fred, not fair not posting a photo of yourself so we can see the man behind the words!!! I look just as geeky as you may imagine! i will drop scripts in the mail, we can take the Odd Couple on Mudcat tour. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Little Hawk Date: 06 Aug 03 - 10:35 AM Ha! Ha! Ha! Now this is much more useful than bitch-slapping each other over liberal/conservative labels, isn't it? Maybe we should start a thread about disabled pirates. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Sam L Date: 06 Aug 03 - 10:23 AM That's how he got the Tinia Crurus. The story was, he was looking into investing his booty in his uh booty, and used the wrong investment arm. He was a bit of a leftist. Thanks Jimmyt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: GUEST Date: 06 Aug 03 - 10:16 AM Cur..does the Fort Mudge Memorial Dump draw it's name from one of your ancestors? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: jimmyt Date: 06 Aug 03 - 10:14 AM You got it. Curmudgeon! Tinia Crurus is the Scientific name for Jock Itch! My only microbiology humor for the day! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: curmudgeon Date: 06 Aug 03 - 09:34 AM Everyone knows that Capt. Hook perished after wiping himself with the wrong hand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: jimmyt Date: 06 Aug 03 - 09:11 AM on the Pirate Vein, Did you know what Captain Hook Died from?? Cutlass? no Cannonfire? no walk the plank? no actually a microbe called Tinia Crurus |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Ebbie Date: 05 Aug 03 - 11:59 PM Neither- he's ready for politics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Sam L Date: 05 Aug 03 - 10:28 PM Thanks Little Hawk, for a minute I thought maybe I'd come across wrong, to you. I try to be funny and it doesn't always work. The child tax credit is $400 dollars each, and I've got two head of kid here, one head of cat. The government wants me to hold it for them, then they charge me for it at tax time. Judging by the market index I heard on the radio today, Jimmyt's idea seems as good as any. Off the subject, is a pirate with two eyepatches and two hooks and two peglegs disabled, or overqualified? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: jimmyt Date: 05 Aug 03 - 10:23 PM Little Hawk, I am in Dalton, Georgia, which if my geography is even partially correct is directly down interstate 75 on the waY TO CUBA!Stop by and have a cold beer. Hell, you too, Fred! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Aug 03 - 09:18 PM I figure it's usually better to have a laugh then get mad... Just think, if more people thought that way there would probably be a lot less war. But you've got a good point there, Fred. Posting to a subject with the idea of staying off that subject is a bit of a conundrum to say the least. I doubt that Wilco could possibly have anticipated the permutations that have arisen in this thread when he started it. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Sam L Date: 05 Aug 03 - 08:40 PM Now there's another very cool idea, Jimmyt, unless I mistake your tone and implication again. I'll have to look into it, so to speak. I don't know about posting to a subject with the idea of staying off the subject. Not that it isn't sensible and very nice of you, just that some drugged idiot might suppose you mean something by it. But then, Wilco48 STARTED a thread subject just to stay off of it, maybe there's something to it I don't understand--and anyway, two outta three ain't bad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Aug 03 - 05:10 PM I like your sense of humour, Jimmy. :-) I'd be glad to get together if I'm "in town", but where do you live? I'm in Orillia, Ontario. Fred's check? Ummm...no... I know nothing about child tax credits, being childless. Maybe he could invest it in dachshund futures. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: kendall Date: 05 Aug 03 - 05:00 PM There is no way that one word, Liberal, can cover my total philosophy. I'm a fiscal conservative (Bush's tax cut stinks) but I'm also a social liberal. People are far more important than money...well, to liberals they are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: jimmyt Date: 05 Aug 03 - 04:34 PM LittleHawk. youi are the man!!! I am also of the opinion that the more off the subject we can stay the better. Do you have any suggestions where Fred can put his check? I have the obvious one, but probably shouldn't mention it in a family bulleton board site. Come see me if you are ever in town, Little Hawk! WOuld love to meet you in the flesh. Everyone have a nice day, ya hear? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Sam L Date: 05 Aug 03 - 04:27 PM Jimmyt, if I follow your tone and implication, because Little Hawk isn't a dentist, socialism can have no advantages? Sorry if I'm confused, I was at the dentist yesterday, and am loopy on painkillers. Really I'm glad to see more conservative input, and also to see the prediction of illogical personal attack finally bearing some fruit. I got an $800 dollar check today for a child tax credit. Any advice how I can invest it so I can afford to pay for it in April? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Aug 03 - 04:09 PM Now there's a cool idea, Jimmy. I will have to look into it. :-) I think Doug and I will try to stay entirely off the subject of politics if we can manage it. After all, there are lots of other enjoyable things to talk about and we agree on most of them. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: jimmyt Date: 05 Aug 03 - 02:35 PM little hawk, I knew you were a futuristic authority on most matters, but I had no idea you were also so versed in the dental health of entire countries. Perhaps I could get you some lectures scheduled in the dental field. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: GUEST,pdq Date: 05 Aug 03 - 01:21 PM Doug R will need a strong constitution on that fishing trip! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Aug 03 - 12:58 PM In Cuba, where it's all PBS, they don't have that problem nor do they have commercials. Nor does anyone have bad teeth, because dental is free. But don't fret..."freedom" will arrive soon, I'm sure. :-) And then they can all live in the kind of paradise you presently find in places like El Salvador or Mexico or Guatemala or Panama. Dentists will then earn 50 times as much as now, and 90% of the people will have bad teeth and crime will be rampant. That's progress, buddy! Gotta love it. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: GUEST,pdq Date: 05 Aug 03 - 12:28 PM Liberals expect the rich to support PBS, so they send no money. Conservatives see that PBS is run by and for liberals and they send no money. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Sam L Date: 05 Aug 03 - 11:52 AM Yeah, Kendall--that's like being a conservative and not being in favor of wrecking the economy. How can people keep talking about liberal spending? Is it cheating to just look at the tab? Conservatives must think the economy is a limited pie based on money. Don't they see that the economy is unlimited, and with sound investments in infrastructure, paying for some of those hidden costs of free enterprise, you can get more back? John Hardly? I don't buy the heart and head division. I think you can do a few things right in cold blood, without getting all weepy about it. If you're in a really bad situation you might prefer a conservative to show up to help. Preferably on a motorcycle--conservatives are helpful people, and bikers tend to be big-hearted good samaritans. But if you didn't want to be in a bad situation in the first place, you might want to vote for a competent liberal every now and then. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: GUEST Date: 05 Aug 03 - 10:22 AM How DARE you call yourself liberal and not be in favor of the gay school, kendall? Gay bashing. Phony liberalism. Get back in line. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Amos Date: 05 Aug 03 - 09:58 AM Wel, from the head's point of view, it's the tail you cut off -- it's all tail south of the neck anyway! Actually bullies are taught more tolerance than they once were in some schools -- they actually have courses and student representative facilitators who are trained in mediating incidents, etc. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: kendall Date: 05 Aug 03 - 09:07 AM I am a Liberal, as you well know, and I dont think this special school is the answer. When I was in school, I was harrassed because I came from the wrong side of town. It included physical abuse, until I started to grow, but when I hit 160 pounds, it stopped. Anyway, where were the teachers while punches were being thrown in the school yard? Why was there no supervision? Seems to me the answer is EDUCATION. Something more than the three "R's". Why are these bullies not being taught tolerence? To kill a snake, you cut the head off, not the tail. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Teribus Date: 05 Aug 03 - 08:51 AM Hi there DG, Why not start a seperate thread to discuss, "corporations", "pension funds", "jobs" and "corporate types". With your slant on things it could get quite amusing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Sam L Date: 04 Aug 03 - 09:21 PM Guest, I don't, as a liberal, have to support a gay high school. But I had to love the little sister in the movie Election. They were going to take my card-carrying-liberal card back if I didn't! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Sam L Date: 04 Aug 03 - 09:05 PM Cross-posted with my apparently mutual admirer Ebbie. Thanks, I'll have to pretend to be embarrassed. But I'm just glad that damn Little Hawk isn't grabbing up thoughtful kudos, yet again. Bad news is, I sometimes think I could write, if I wasn't so @#$#$#@$ lazy. I think I'm funny as hell. The great James Still once liked one of my stories. A LOT. (For everyone who hasn't read it, it was GREAT. You'd LOVE it.) Little Hawk was right, we aren't here because we're losers. But it's good to have the little exercise of counting out our two cents. Even the people who piss us off are doing us a favor. Thanks. I don't find myself quite so intolerable, for now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What are liberals made of? From: Ebbie Date: 04 Aug 03 - 08:22 PM "But I pretended to her that I ate the mouse" LOL |
