Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son

Subject: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 11:25 PM

The son of Hoyt Axton was arrested in Tahoe City for trying to kidnap a nine year old girl. He is being held in jail on $200,000 bail.

Michael Axton, age 39 allegedly tried to abduct the girl on July 29 while she was on a family outing on the Truckee River. Deputies say that the girl screamed and ran back to her family.

Axton's father wrote "Joy to the World." Axton's mother, Mae Axton, wrote "Heartbreak Hotel."

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: GUEST,Marquett
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 10:26 PM

According to the local newspaper he was a registered sex offender.

Cut and paste this into your post:

Tahoe World Newspaper

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 11:06 PM

Soooo, what does this have to do with his dad or his dad's music? Nada, zip, zilch, etc.

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 11:30 PM

Nothing. It's just BS, like everything else down here.

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 12:58 AM

SORCHA - You frequently note yourself as the spouse of one in "Law Enforcment" surly you are aware of the parent's role in the process of warping children?

Parents & Psychopaths

According to Canadian theorist Dr. David Lykken, psychopaths are set apart. They differ in temperament from other children and are at greater risk for delinquency. Lykken contends that most antisocial behaviors in children are caused by poor parenting—absent fathers and inadequate mothers who fail to properly socialize their child. Perhaps the child frustrates them or perhaps their parenting skills are subnormal. Also - twin studies support the view that criminality has a substantial heritability factor.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 04:43 PM

Not that it goes with this thread but I often wonder how many of these psychologists are unmarried, marriage counselors. Sub-standard parents? What the hell does that mean? Who gets to define that one? I know plenty of single parents who's offspring are just fine (and better off without the second half who was a boozer, druggie, abuser, etc.)

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 05:06 PM

Having worked in the public schools for a good part of my adult life, and having had friends and relatives, some of whom have really struggled to raise their kids for many different reasons, I always suspect something in a person's upbringing immediately when I hear stories like this.

But that is because I know all too well how badly neglected and abused children are in our society.

At best, Hoyt Axton's heart is broken by this. At worst, he may well have had a hand in creating "the monster" his son now believes himself to be. I say that only because the statistics on abuse are getting more and more clear and concise on this matter all the time.

Human beings have breaking points, beyond which they come to perceive themselves as damaged goods. At that point in the abuse/neglect cycle, a lot of painful things start happening. Some direct it inward, some direct it outward.

Too much physical pain produces psychic pain as it's worst side effect. And when it becomes too much to bear, people break. It sounds as if Hoyt Axton's son might be one of those broken people who directs their pain outward onto others. But there is a darkness there that none of us will ever know the truth of, as is always the case with celebrities. Especially criminals related to celebrities.

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 05:33 PM

To clear the record a bit, it was Hoyt Axton's mother, Mae, who wrote "Heartbreak Hotel".

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 06:11 PM

"At best, Hoyt Axton's heart is broken by this."

Ah, apologies for that--it of course should have read Hoyt's heart *was* broken by this. I realize he is dead. Also, I don't know when the previous offense(s) were committed by Michael Axton, but if he is 39 years old now, and his father died less than four years ago, I'm presuming that Hoyt Axton was aware of his son's problems.

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: GUEST,Melani
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 07:35 PM

So how do we account for a family with four upstanding, well-behaved sons, and one who has done time for repeated thefts? For the record, he is neither the oldest or the youngest, but does have learning disabilities. When he was sent to juvenile hall for stealing weapons from the local sheriff's house (!), the social worker tried to blame it on his mom, who had somehow managed to raise four other kids who don't behave like that.

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: rangeroger
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 09:37 PM

So,Mr.Golgart,what is the cause of your anti-social behavior?

rr

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 01:12 AM

Melani, I think a lot of people are too defensive of parents, when it is the children who are suffering, usually at the hands of a parent/step parent while another caretaker stands by and does nothing to stop it. We all want to believe that the behavior of adults who commit these sorts of crimes can't or shouldn't be attributable to poor parenting, because we fear people scrutinizing our own parenting skills, or those of our parents, friends, etc.

But the fact still remains that it is family members who most often are guilty of neglecting and/or abusing children. And the fact still remains that damaging children like that often does more than just leave a scar, or a wound that doesn't heal properly.

BTW, I wouldn't put crimes against property (ie theft, etc) in the same class or category as crimes committed against people.

And just because someone does a decent job of raising most their children, doesn't mean they did a decent job of raising all of their children. Anyone who comes from a large family knows that just isn't the way the breaks and luck fall in families. Some times are more stressful than others, some kids get much more attention than others, some kids get more privleges than others, etc. It can also happen that parents get distracted from child rearing when dealing with their own hard times, and don't see what is happening under their noses. That happens really often too.

I would expect to find some serious instances of child abuse in an adult sex offender, regardless of whether it was committed by a family member. The Catholic church's denial of the abuse problems for decades is symptomatic of something which runs much deeper than clergy sexual abuse of children. And that something is sexual abuse of children by family members or friends of family members--people the child knows and possibly trusts and likes.

Yet, the subject of familial sexual abuse of children is still taboo in our society.

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:06 PM

http://elvispelvis.com/hoytaxton.htm#obit
(great place - checkout the cause of death pages )

Sorry to admit it but, Gargoyle is probably right again.

Hoyt Axton had some problems and perhaps they affected this child.

Axton was married four times and divourced three.

Some of his biggest hits were songs about life in the drug culture:

No No Song

A lady that I know just came from Columbia
She smiled because I did not understand
Then she held out some marijuani ha-ha
She said it was the best in all the land
And I said:

No no no no, I don't smoke it no more
I'm tired of waking up on the floor
No, thank you, please,
It only makes me sneeze
And then it makes it hard to find the door

A woman that I know just came from Majorca Spain
She smiled because I did not understand
Then she held out a 10 pound bag of Cocaine
She said it was the best in all the land




The Pusher Man

You know I've smoked a lot of grass
O' Lord, I've popped a lot of pills
But I never touched nothin'
That my spirit could kill
You know, I've seen a lot of people walkin' 'round
With tombstones in their eyes
But the pusher don't care
Ah, if you live or if you die

God damn, The Pusher
God damn, I say The Pusher
I said God damn, God damn The Pusher man

You know the dealer, the dealer is a man
With the love grass in his hand
Oh but the pusher is a monster
Good God, he's not a natural man
The dealer for a nickel
Lord, will sell you lots of sweet dreams
Ah, but the pusher ruin your body
Lord, he'll leave your, he'll leave your mind to scream



Snowblind Friend

He said he wanted heaven
But praying was too slow
So he bought a one-way ticket
On the air line made of snow."


In 1997 police found slightly more than a pound of marijuana at Axton's home. Deborah Hawkins, whom Axton wed later that year, said she gave him marijuana because it relieved some of his anxiety and stress.

Axton was given a three-year deferred sentence and fined $15,000 for marijuana possession. Hawkins got a one-year deferred sentence and a $1,000


WHY WHERE the Montana Police searcing his home, anyway? Bad Montana police - bad police? Hardly!

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: Deckman
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:45 PM

This is a sad, sad story.

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Aug 03 - 01:42 AM

It is a sad, sad story, and I realize that a lot of entertainer's childrem have serious problems becaue Mom/Dad or both are away from home a lot. BUT--so do Cops kids and ministers kids. Big time, because they think they have to prove to their buds that they are not Goody Two Shoes kids.........trust me, this is from personal experience.

Subject: RE: Kidnapper -Hoyt Axton's Son
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Aug 03 - 09:48 AM

"BUT--so do Cops kids and ministers kids."

Very true. I'm interpreting the above to mean you aren't suggesting that cops & ministers' kids can't be victims of familial sexual abuse. Am I right about that? If so, I don't understand what the point is you are trying to make?

You asked in your first post to the thread, what Hoyt Axton's son being arrested for attempted kidnapping of a nine year old girl, and being a registered sex offender on probation, had to do with Hoyt Axton. Well, people have responded that in cases like this, the abuse almost always began in childhood, in the familial home. So that is what the story has to do with Hoyt Axton.