Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America....

Subject: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: skarpi
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 08:58 AM

halló all , In next month 11 Icelandic people will perform
a saga of " Njála " they will sing the lyrics in English.
Their location is Moll of America I don´t where that is in the state
but is that not in Minniappolis? sorry about my spelling .
Anyway they are all gonna look like the vikings did when they
where up, I just listen to them in Icelandic tv this morning
and it was a very good performing.
So if anyone have some intrest to watch them you should go to
the moll, i think you can get informmation with the moll, they should
have a wep side somewhere.
All the best Sakrpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 11:36 AM

Hey skarpi, thanks for information. The Mall of America is in Minneapolis/St Paul (what is called the Twin Cities), and the state is Minnesota.

Here is a link to their website:

Mall of America

And a link to information about the Iceland events:

Experience Iceland

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 11:55 AM

After my Mudcat reading here, I stumbled across this article in today's NY Times:

"Iceland's Whale Hunt Resumes"

Will the Icelandic singers be singing any whaling songs at the Mall of America? ;-)

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 12:51 PM

Too bad, I will be in France, then!

Nonetheless, to everyone that's reading this, go to Iceland some day. It is a spectacularly beautiful country with nice people and many interesting birds. I've been there and plan to go back.

Take a jacket, of course.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: skarpi
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 02:17 PM

Halló all , this will 12th of September, and no I don´t think they will sing about whales at this time , only about " Njála Saga "
All the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 02:20 PM

Dang, Skarpi. I'd like to hear that -- I've read it but never heard it. There's no way I can get to Minneapolis, though.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: skarpi
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 06:41 PM

The song of " njála saga " is on CD in Icelandic, German and
English.
i could find the web side here in Iceland for thouse who are
intrestid, but i think it easyer to ask the moll of america
about the cd.
All the best Skarpi iceland.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 06:45 PM

Shouldn't they be doing this at L'Anse aux Meadows?

:-)

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: LadyJean
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 07:02 PM

I wish I could hear it too! Vikings were cool. Njal, didn't go sailing around in a longship and raiding, you know. He was a lawyer! Vikings had jury trials and lawsuits. Iceland is the world's oldest democracy. Vikings were definately cool.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 11:56 PM

Look, folks. A Viking is a sea pirate from the early middle ages, originally from Scandinavia. No matter how many sports teams call themselves the Vikings, the actual Vikings were a brutal, thieving bunch of men. If you put on a presentation at a mall and showed the horrible things they did, customers would go away upset and disgusted. They preyed upon their neighbors and they preyed upon foreigners, they didn't care.

The good people were the Norse people. Give them the credit they deserve.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 02:58 AM

Just in case anyone is interested:
There is a structure in Tuoro Park, Newport Rhode Island, USA, that is identical to hundreds of pagan places of worship throughout scandinavia. Leif Erikson named his colony "Vineland" because there were grapevines growing wild there. The aforementioned tower was there when the first English Settlers arrived, and, we know that the "First Americans" could not have built it. because they didn't have the wherewith or technology. Furthermore, there are only two places in North America where grape vines grow wild. They are Martha's Vineyard, a group of Islands in Massachusetts
and the island of "Rhode Island" in the "State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations". Newport is one of the three municipalities on Rhode Island. The other two are the Villiage of Middletown and the Township of Portsmouth. We have the smallest land area, the longest coastline and the longest name in the country.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: Nerd
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 11:53 AM

But Vineland is here in South Jersey! (Sorry, couldn't resist!)

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 12:04 PM

Cranky Yankee - wild grapes are, were, and have been much more widespread then just Martha's Vineyard and Rhode Island.

The 'Concord' grape (for example) is a sport of wild grapes found near concord Massachuseets and propagated since.    Wild grapes also grow (and have grown since before colonial times) throughout most of NY state - The southern US has their own species of grape that doesn't grow in the northern states.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 12:24 PM

and whether or not "First Americans" were capable of fitted stonework is under debate as well. Certainly many cultures among the indigines of the continent were perfectly capable of fitted stonework - the local tribes did not utilize it; but to say they were incapable is stretching it a bit. Likewise - there is documented proof of widespread trade among various tribes - and it is not inconcievable that a person or persons from an are where stonework WAS done might have ended up on the NorthEast coast.

For that matter - there is some indications that the DUTCH were in the area for some time before the English - likewise most of the coastline of New England was in use for seasonal settlements and or "rest and recreation" stops for close to 120 years prior to English settlement by fishers out of various European nations.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: skarpi
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 01:01 PM

Halló all , Leeneia i could said there are some Icelandic people
singing in Moll of America songs from the Saga of Njála.
But the Saga of Njála is from Vikingcenture so I used the word.
The vikings did horrible things but what has changed til the day we live???? Nothing if something has changed its to the worst.
But I wasent gonna start a war -Sorry.
All the best Skarpi Iceland.
P.s If my spelling is wrong let me know.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 01:56 PM

"Vinland" could also (And this is more likely that the 'grapes' answer) mean "Wheat Land"... a place where wild grains grew... (It's a matter of translation in this case...)

And well, the question as to who made the structure in Tuoro Park aside.. there's only one authenticated "Viking" site so far in North America... I mentioned it above...

;-)

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America....
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 02:10 PM

Skarpi, that's "Mall", not "Moll". And the city is Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America....
From: skarpi
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 06:56 PM

Thanks Dave .
All the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America....
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 06:41 PM

Referring to all the Norse People as, "Vikings" is like referring to all Sailors as "Pirates".

There is nothing romantic or colorful or sweet about Vikings and/or Pirates. I'm a sailor and I'm quite put out when people call me a pirate. Pirates and vikings were (and are) ruthless, sadistic, killers and rapists (both sexes)

The woreds Viking and Pirate are both participles. That is they can be used as either a verb or a noun.

You catch one, and give them the ultimate sentence, This is called a "Dangling Participle"

P.Eye

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America....
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 07:00 PM

Referring to all the Norse People as, "Vikings" is like referring to all Sailors as "Pirates".

There is nothing romantic or colorful or sweet about Vikings and/or Pirates. I'm a sailor and I'm quite put out when people call me a pirate. Pirates and vikings were (and are) ruthless, sadistic, killers and rapists (both sexes)

The woreds Viking and Pirate are both participles. That is they can be used as either a verb or a noun.

You catch one, and give them the ultimate sentence, This is called a "Dangling Participle"

P.Eye
The Sailor Man

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America....
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 07:06 PM

Who was the best pirate in the world?

Nobody knows, cause he was never caught...

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America....
From: GUEST,Folkmonster
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 07:24 PM

1. There is no reference to 'Vikings' in any early English lterature. They were referred to as Danes or 'heathens'. The reference appeared much later.

2. There is no evidence at all for any Viking brutality except in battle. On the contrary they were respected by their 'anglo saxon' cousins.

3. There is considerable evidence of trading and farming however. In the Jorvik excavations in York, no 'viking' weapons at all were found.

4. The Iclanders founded the worlds earliest parliament (the "Alting") ... not a very bloodthirsty advert is it?> ;O)   Interestingly, the parliament of the Isle of Man (a small English dependency in the Irish Sea) is called 'Tynewald' (Tingwald).

5. The Sagas were first written down in the 13th century (correct me if I am wrong Skarpi!) so are themselves unreliable evidence. A bloody good yarn though!

FM

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America....
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 07:27 PM

All very good points FM...

Even if they aren't very fun!

LOL

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America....
From: skarpi
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 05:14 PM

Halló all , Folkmonster, The Íslendingasagas is about Icelanders
from the year 874 to 1050 , but where written the years 1200 to
1350 so you are close about the time.There are about 43 sagas
that i know about, so it´s lot to take.
All the best Skarpi Iceland .
P.s
You can get most of the sagas in English.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America....
From: PoppaGator
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 05:38 PM

The word "Vikings" is commonly used to describe the Scandinavian invaders of Ireland who founded the settlement, later city, of Dublin. Like most other invaders up until the time of Oliver Cromwell, these raiders were eventually wise enough to adjust to the idea of being Irish, and were soon assimilated (becoming "more Irish than the Irish themselves"*).

Back in the 1960s/70s, Icelandic Air was by far the cheapest way to get from the US to Europe, so many young Americans (hippie globetrotters, junior-year-abroad students, Rhodes scholars, etc) got at least a brief glimpse of Iceland during an airport stopover.

Pops

* This familar saying is translated from the Latin, which shows just how long ago visitors to Ireland started wanting to stay and fit into the local society. I can't remember the exact wording, but of course the Latin word "Hibernia" apears twice, in two different forms.

2d footnote: All due respect to Skarpi, I would have attempted to include the name of the capital city of Iceland, where the airport was/is located, but I can't spell it! Sounds like Rek-ya-vik.

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America....
From: Burke
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 06:21 PM

I like it. The Mall of America is located on the site where the Minnesota Vikings used to play.

This is actually in Bloomington, Minnesota; an area extending south from Minneapolis (also Richfield & Edina) to the Minnesota River. At one time it was farmland, now it's all suburban development. "Downtown Bloomington, where are you?"

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America....
From: open mike
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 06:48 PM

i like the MOLL
better..
like being in the
MAW or JAW of
america..
like greg brown said..
america will eat you up

st brendan and Leif erikson
were here first!

Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America....
From: skarpi
Date: 22 Aug 03 - 06:06 AM

Halló all , PappaGator it´s Reyk-ja-vik the capital.
And I spelled wrong the Moll I wrote Mall instead of Moll I am
Sorry,All the best SKarpi Iceland.