President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 07:10 PM

oh what timing - a 'gay' Anlican Bishoping AND HRH Prince Charles being accused in the same month that G W is invited to the Palace, - G W as you probably know is Episcopal ( American for Anglican ) and also a paid up member of the Skull and Bones club OF piratical origins - Ahoy thar beeeelow don ye skirts me bhoys and we shall haveee a dancey.... har har har har har.....

Then all that talk about Democracy ??? What about democracy Mr G W ? Didn't ye lose the election in order to win the selection? How about that HC official and all them canes? Why would a HC employee need canes? Perhaps they too belong to the Skull and Crossbones club?

Looks mighty fishy to me .....


Ahoy thar me bhoys take oooof them thar garters and lets have a dancey! any miscreants? oookay pass that cane and bend over .... thar take that ye rascals .....

Is this a Closet Gay Anlican Hootenanny or what?

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 10:30 PM

I think Guest was a little too free with the mead on that last post...

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: Wolfgang
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 07:43 AM

Liz,

I could be wrong, but I read the funny worded response of the Council as being not willing to give away footage on which also other persons could be seen. I wouldn't want my picture from a security camera showing me with my finger in my nose shown in TV just because some Coucil thought that they had to give it away to anyone claiming being also on that footage.

The TV producer of course twists the words in a sense to make people laugh about the Council. But what amount of accuracy can be expected from a TV producer who is misprinting Newham as 'Newhill' in the picture legend on his webpage?

His intention is to make people laugh, he doesn't care about accuracy.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 09:59 AM

This is an urgent news flash:

President George Bush was shot dead by a sniper in London today. Upon reaching hospital his condition was described as satisfactory.

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: DougR
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 12:22 PM

Hilarous Dave.

Hmmm. All week long we have been showered with reports on TV that hundreds of thousands would be protesting today in Trafalgar Square. Seems the estimates were a bit overstated, what?

DougR

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: DougR
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 12:27 PM

According to The Guardian, the majority of Brits are glad to see Bush come to London. The fact that he was well received in the House of Commons certainly would support that view. Everyone knows that if it's printed in The Guardian the report cannot be questioned, right?

When are you "opposers" going to wake up to the fact that your opinions are shared by only a small minority of the population either in the U. S. or G.B.?

DougR

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 12:33 PM

Kevin,

"It's a field day for crime in the rest of London, stripped of coppers. And the people of London are having to pay for it both ways."

I take it that this is just an observation on your part - not fact.

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 01:09 PM

Well, here's the word from someone who should know that kind of stuff:

The high security for George Bush's visit means one thing for certain - that there will be a marked increase in the crime rate. I should know: I'm a retired criminal who has 30 years experience of high-grade crime behind me.

It's like this: wherever those extra police are manning - in this case, central London, where the president is visiting - the areas just outside that, where those officers have come from, will be worst hit.

It's a great opportunity for us, so every kind of crime is likely this week. I definitely know there are plans afoot. They are jobs that are big enough, but nothing so big that it will make headlines. And the fact that people are out on the streets demonstrating will obviously add to the burglary aspect of those crimes...

And here is the rest of that

As for "Bush being well received in the House of Commons", I don't know what that refers to. There wasn't any presidential appearance at the House of Commons, which was probably very wise.

And the police have estimated the protest march today as being 70,000 strong, which means the true figure was probably double that.

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 01:40 PM

Thanks for the link Kevin, so what in fact you were doing was sharing someone elses opinion (Bunny - retired criminal of some thirty years standing) that there might potentially be a field-day for crime in the rest of London. Now as this was only Bunny's opinion what exactly are the people of London having to pay for both ways?

Mind you, I did like the bit in the prediction where he mentioned the pick-pockets working the crowds - specially when you consider where the biggest crowd is going to be and the make up of that crowd.

Talking of numbers Kevin, 70,000 Metropolitan police estimate/140,000 Kevin estimate - does that mean that when the London Football clubs local derby games coincide "Its a field day for crime in the rest of London"?? - Could always ask Bunny - My guess is you would find that it was about the same.

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 01:47 PM

That last GUEST was Teribus?

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 06:26 PM

AS a resident of London, living near a football ground that (before relegation) housed a team frequently holding local derbys; yes, the crime rate does increase in the area, when the locals know that all the police are busy at the match.

And don't even think about ringing for an ambulance!

LTS

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: DougR
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 11:10 PM

Geeze, Kevin, Liz, I surely hope the crime rate in Great Britain was not excalated by the visit of George W. Bush! Are you quaking in your boots or something? If you are, come on out to Arizona and we will put your mind at rest. After all, we have the toughest Sheriff in the world out here! You can feel VERY safe! :.)

DougR

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: Amos
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 11:39 PM

Dougie:

As for waking up I would suggest that it is a thousand times more important that I say what I see plainly than that anyone or any large number agree with me. I am used to seeing further than others, and am certainly used to seeing the world differently, for better or for worse. I really don't worry much about how many peopel do or do not agree with me. And I call an ass an ass if he is a ass.


A

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 01:02 AM

Ah, Arizona. That explains much.

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 05:22 AM

Dougie - Arizona covers 113,642 square miles and has a total population of about 3.6 million - Phoenix, the largest city only has 1.2 million inhabitants. Have you ever been to England ? - the population of Greater London is about three times that of your whole state - how would your sheriff manage over here.

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 05:26 AM

Apologies Kevin, yes GUEST 20 Nov 03 - 01:40 PM, was me - I'm away from home at present and I forgot to type in my name.

Thanks for the first- hand back-ground information Liz,

So the potential for crimes of opportunity are linked to any event where police resources have to be altered from what would be described as normal operations.

- State occasions & State visits;
- Sporting events requiring crowd control;
- Large well publicised demonstrations.

Crime is not going to suddenly, dramitically, increase solely because G W Bush is in town. Those who think it is must also apportion some responsibility towards the demonstrators and demonstration organisers - after all if they weren't there there would be no crowd to control and the police would not have to divert resources.

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 05:30 AM

Normally State events, like the Lord Mayor's procession, State opening of Parliament etc, are easy going affairs, although, understandably, security is paramount. It's when highly controversial visitors come that the problems start. If it were Nelson Mandela now, rather than Bush, I bet the police presence would be half or less what it is now, and the crowds would be cheering rather than jeering.

LTS

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 08:48 AM

Thanks Teribus - I've got a thing against responding to nameless GUESTS.

"what in fact you were doing was sharing someone else's opinion"

Not exactly - I was stating my own opinion, based on the fact that to me it seemed pretty obvious that if thousands of police are tied up doing one thing they can't be available to do other things; and then when it was questioned I hunted down something to back it up. Obviously it's all just opinion until perhaps at some stage the figures are gathered and analysed.

"Paying for it both ways" - paying for the extra costs of the security operation, and also in some cases as victim of crime of one sort or another.

Not that I see the cost as a major reason for feeling irritated at this visit. What annoys me is the thought that it might in any way assist in the re-election campaign of this man - and I'd probably feel almost as annoyed at that even if I was one if those who thought that the invasion of Iraq had been a good idea. Helping Bush getting reelected seems to me about the most anti-American thing it would be possible to do.

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: DougR
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 04:38 PM

Dave: Yes, I have been to England (though I fail to see the revelence). How would Joe do in London? I have no idea.

DougR

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 03 - 03:31 PM

Sedgefield beerm, fish and chips .... hmmmmm

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: GUEST
Date: 15 May 07 - 02:10 PM

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 May 07 - 03:24 PM

Now this thread suddenly appearing was a nasty shock. I thought maybe Blair had decided to pull some last nasty trick on us before he goes by having a lame ducks reunion in London. Or a dead ducks reunion might be closer to the truth...

Subject: RE: President (yeah right) Bush coming to UK
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 May 07 - 11:34 PM

Not to wish anything ill on our British confreres, but I was all set to rejoice and suggest that you keep him.

Oh, well. I guess I'll have to wait 'til the 2008 election.. . . .

Don Firth