BS: Can you identify this tune?

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 06:08 AM

john -

I just tried to find the lyrics but haven't been able to find them. I wonder if there are any more lyrics.

Does anyone know the lyrics to Annie O'Dayan?

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 05:15 AM

I'm not going to put that jacket with the arms facing the wrong way again Freda.
Could this song be an old traditional variant of 'They're Coming to Take me Away' could it?
John

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 01:46 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: freda underhill
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 12:20 AM

if you come to sydeny John, I can organise for nurseR to meet you at the airport, if required.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 12:11 AM

Maybe it's here....

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: matai
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 02:57 AM

or is that hops?

Matai

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: matai
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 02:58 AM

Vin Garbutt in his concert the other night said, when his Doctor asked him if he had tinnitus, he answered no, he could just hear everyone elses.
Is that the sort of tune your thinking of? If it is I think it is in very high C with tiddley tum tums treking through it at rapid frequency and the words are in a very old form of Spanish used by Magellen who apparently discovered the world was round.
In fact I'm sure it is a song about the Spice Islands. It certainly smells like cinamon from here.

matai

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 03:12 PM

Do we yet know what key this song is in? I mean, usually, not transposed or anything? And the clef? And can we please work out the time signature? Once we have these sorts of things, I can do more research on it.

Obrigato.
Tak.
Merci.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 12:43 PM

I'm looking at a holiday at the moment that will take us from Hong Kong to Sydney, Cairns,Darwin, Perth, and Singapore, all for about 4 days each. This will be a field trip, and expect to see lots of fields, including the famous Paddy. The purpose of the trip is to search out the source of this song just for you Robin. So don't accuse me of thread creep, it's all in the good name of research.
John

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:36 AM

Sorry to stick my nose into the thread I statred, but I think we are undergoing some thread creep here - can we please get back onto the topic of trying to find this song that I know nothing about?

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:25 AM

Well I do and I don't, I mean logically speaking we are a public forum, and lots of people know we're here, and some of them might not be above suspicion, but then again who is? It was however said as a joke, and no I don't think we have any spooks in our midst, albeit we do have some veeeeeeery odd characters!
John

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 09:59 PM

John Mac - Do you mean that? Don't make me paranoid. I think I've already given enough away. Thats why I don't want to post my pic. Big brother really scares me.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 12:43 PM

You didn't need to send it, they know where we are!
John

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 12:33 PM

The Answer is 42

I have sent a copy of this thread to both the US and British governments, just to have them double check my findings. Expect their answer right after their next elections. Dum de dum dum...duuuummmm

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 09:30 AM

Jimmy cracked corn.

Jimmy = a young lad.
cracked = a euphemism for the loss of a maidenhead
corn = shortened nickname for Corny, which is short for Cornelia.

I'd think that it would evident.

Without exception, ALL folksongs are filthy and obscene.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 07:16 AM

You know, Shanghaiceltic,

isn't that strange? The world is a very small place! That's very much like what actually happened to my friend's uncle, but I don't think that was the song I'm trying to recall - I don't remeber the redhaired lady singing about wheelchairs...

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 05:25 AM

Foolestroupe, your story touched me. So I looked at the chorus and put it into an alternative search engine which came up with the following sad, solemn, slow and appropriate song which incredibly has a similar chorus to the one you heard being sung.


Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da
Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da

My friend was in 'is wheelchair
For 'e 'ad no legs to walk
'E'd 'ad a few to many
'E couldn't even talk

Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da
Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da

My friend was in 'is wheelchair
Too blind drunk to see
A bus t'was fast approaching
An' it were 'eavier than 'e


Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da
Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da


My friend was in 'is wheelchair
E'd forgot to check the power
The bloody thing stopped in t'road
An' t'bus did run 'im 'ower

Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da
Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da

My friend ain't in is wheelchair
E's behind the pearly gate
E's angel wings an everything
An' the pubs stay open late

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 04:31 AM

It's not the Irish/Israeli song called 'Annie O'Dayan' is it?
You know the one, it goes a bit like this.

Annie O'Dayan
Annie O'Dayan
Annie Annie Annie O'Dayan
U luk suite, tok abba ta truit

Can't remember anymore, but I'm sure an erudite ethnomusicologist lurks somewhere on these pages, and will no doubt furnish more words.
John.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 02:27 AM

Look Guys,

This is a serious request for a friend of mine who does not have access to a computer but was with me the night we were out celebrating a wake for his father, which was when we heard the song I am asking about.

His father's brother, who also with us that night in his powered wheelchair, was run over by a bus on his way home, and is now asking my friend on his deathbed - no, that's the brother of the now deceased father of my friend who is on his deathbed, that is - and would like us to sing the song at his wake, which will be not too far in the future.

They have taken off his legs now - so there isn't much need for the accompanying dance - of course he couldn't walk before - which is why he was in the powered wheelchair that night. Unfortunately he had a few too many ales with us and tried to beat the bus across the road, but his batteries expired in the middle of the road, as he nearly did.

I know you guys have coped with some pretty clueless song requests in the past, so my friend wants you to help him with this totally clueless one!

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 01:27 AM

Its: someone's in the kitchen with Dinah
      strummin on the old banjo

good grief! What can be simpler? I doubt if its anything more than that. Now I'm gonna look up "Jimmy cracked corn"

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 01:13 AM

Somehow . . . this almost seems like a music thread . . . is it? DUM de dum dum DEE!

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 01:01 AM

Will you please use plain language? Coptic and euphemism to explain a little diddy diddy di dum?

Thats it. I'm off to find the lyrics.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 09:56 PM

I really must point out that Dinah is in actuality "strumming on her Old Banjo", which is not an instrument but a person. The original lyrics were "strumming on her Old Man, Joe" but were bowd...bolw...cleaned up so that little kids could sing it. This, of course, makes better sense because the person in the kitchen with Dinah is her Old Man, Joe. "Strumming" was a 19th Century American railroader euphemism for an extremely erotic, very obscene, and eminently enjoyable act which involved a man, a woman, a two-person swing, three quarts of olive oil, two fiddle strings, a rubber duckling, and a 4-8-8-4 locomotive.

Now I forgot what erudite and scholarly points I wanted to make about the lyrics to the tune in question. Something about Coptic....

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 09:23 PM

It is no one in the kitchen but Dinah.

I made a mistake when I said nuthin.

... but is it a euphanism? If so, I sure wasn't aware of it. Have to think about it again.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: freda underhill
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 05:58 AM

it's "The Charge of the Feral Brigade"

by Paul Spencer...

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 03:51 AM

I always thought that Dinah in the kitchen alone playing her old banjo, was a euphemism.
John

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 10:55 PM

Just goes to show, nuthin is original.

Think: nuthin in the kitchen but Dinah

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Peace
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 10:34 PM

And that ain't all that's been spread far and wide. Anyone can see that it is the beginning to the part of the Snow White movie when the Seven Dwarfs march off. It was also in the movie Platoon--the part where they shoot at people. Clear as a bell.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Allan C.
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 11:18 AM

I was totally amazed at the connection I discovered between the variation dianavan has submitted and this shanty. Even the most cursory perusal of the text will show that the phrase, "ay ay oh" has found its way into the lyrics. Clearly elements of this song have been spread far and wide!

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 01:36 AM

dee di diddly di day
dee di day ay ay oh
dee di diddly di oh
diddle diddle di dum doh.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 04:19 PM

Nope, it isn't Tsa la gi either. we don't have any characters in the syllabary for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST,Dum-De-Dumb
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 07:50 PM

Yes I agree upon studying the lyric how very clever it tis. However the tune I think I recall is chilling. Therefore could one safely assume it's an old folksong from possibly Iceland or one of the Poles? Maybe even an ice age campfire ditty? DDD

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Allan C.
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 01:31 PM

John, I think you're onto something.....or on something. I'm not sure which.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 01:10 PM

I collected another fragment of this traditional ditty from a drunk man in George Square Glasgow. It went

Hoo di fa,
Hoo de fa,
Hoo de fa,
yoo loo kinat......Jimmy.

The last line sounds as though it may have Chinese roots, this is lent credence by the 5 spices between the word 'kinat', and the explosive utterance of the word Jimmy. He then followed this up by saying,
'hal aw rer ma awl china' which clinches it for me.
John C#

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Crane Driver
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 10:17 AM

After considerable research at the Felinfoel brewery, I can assure you that it isn't Welsh. There is, however, a similar Welsh song that goes:

Ddwm ddwm dydel dydel ddi
Ddydel di ddwm ddwm di

But that's probably no relation at all.

Andrew

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 08:25 AM

we are pleased that such a dry, academic thread gould give humour to those who are researching song texts. We do try to liven things up a bit - such as Allan's pretense to have a hard time understanding Bill Sables!

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST,marthabees
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 08:02 PM

You folks crack me up.

I have enjoyed this thread immensely.

Martha

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Allan C.
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 10:36 PM

I'm almost certain that Bill Sables sings a song like this. He always cracks a wicked smile as he delivers the last lines. The problem is that he does the whole thing in Geordie so I have no idea what it's about.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 08:32 PM

its syncopated arrangement of shetland mouth music perpetuated by shepherds to co-ordinate their communal knitting rythms over long distances.

original gaelic

'Dummelly tum de tedium, she diddly, he dumb dumb...'

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Dani
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 01:09 PM

Well, I went back to the All-Stars. They picked up the tune, apparently, from Lex's grandmother, who used to sing it when she was working out back. Apparently it was a WORK song she'd learned at HER mother's knee, useful for keeping the rhythm of pinning up the laundry while slaughtering chickens. If you do it right, you avoid getting blood on the sheets, apparently. That's how the tradition evolved of playing the spoons at the same time as the kazoo. Can you picture Gran with the clothespins in her mouth and a chicken neck in each hand? You get the idea...

I just love a kazoo, so it was a natural tune for me. It is, though, a challenge for me to play the spoons and do the kazoo at the same time. Lex swears his grandmother did it just like that, though, so I will as long as I have breath in me.

Dani

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Janie
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 10:18 AM

This version is very common in the coal fields of West Virginia, although one usually only hears it at high school pep rallies. It clearly has changed in modern times, since it is usually accompanied by brass instruments instead of the traditional lap dulcimer.

Da naw naw naw
Da naw naw
Da naw naw naw naw naw da naw.

In fact, I did not even know of its traditional roots until I heard it here in Hillsborough, North Carolina. The Piedmont All-Stars were playing at Dani's restaurant one night and prevailed upon her to join them with her kazoo. I think it went smething like this:

Dada dee dee diddly dee
Diddly do do dee dee da
Dum diddle dee
Dum diddle dee
Dum dee dee dada diddle dee.

(kazoo break)

Dum dum dum dee dee
dum dum diddle dee dee da naw

Needless to say---they brought down the house!

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Noreen
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 09:13 AM

Ah Giok- a fellow Radio 4 listener! (I got that answer before they did :0) )

No, there's a lot more notes in Spem in Allium. It's still my ambition to sing one of the 40 parts...

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 04:15 AM

Revealing my self to be a sad git it sounds like a cut from the Archers theme tune

Dum de dum de dum de dum de dum
Dum de dum de da da
Dum de dum de dum de dum
Dum de diddly dah

Repeat for 30 seconds

Then audition for BBC radio 4.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 05:45 AM

Why "Obviously" Sorcha, if that is your real name?

I mean, I come to a place all my muso friends told me about - I can only sing in the bathroom after a few scotches - and all you e-rude-ite folkities can do is be negative!

When I was doing Formal Logic in my PhD on Mumblemathics, it was stressed on me that if you make a sweeping ststement, then you should show evidence of what the broom swept away!

So please, everybody, when you make sweeping statements, please give the background evidence to dicument your statements!

I do aplogagize if I overreacted - I didn't mean to lose my cool...

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 04:33 AM

If it's a garlic song could it be Spem in allium?
John

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Teresa
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 03:58 AM

Perhaps one factor in identifying the tune is the linguistic origin and etymology of the words in question. How much have they changed over the years, or have the phrases been maintained without a blemish in the true oral folk tradition?

;)

:)

Teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 02:55 AM

I know! It's written in the Garlic!
Robyn

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 09:01 PM

Well, it obviously is not a Spanish or Greek language song....possibly not English either...

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 07:37 PM

Actually Alln C,

I think your contribution, although extremely well researched and very good and and all that, may be thread creep....
can we please get this thread back on topic?

Thanks Emma B - Being monolingual, I appreciate assitance from those more educated than I.

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 07:19 PM

It's definitely Irish! a lewd old drinking song for lewd (or cold) old drinkers

Dom - do
Digh - var of deoch - drink
di- eadaigh   - unclothed