BS: England 13 Ireland 19

Subject: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 01:13 PM

David wins again, Ireland 5 million pop England 60 million pop, not bad for this little country, we beat the World Champions in their back-yard.
Scotland next, no bother, we will be Triple Crown winners.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 03:01 PM

Excellent result. Mine's a Baileys.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 03:14 PM

I'll take a Redbreast, please.

That's great news!

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: The Shambles
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 03:22 PM

The best side on the day did win and deserved to do so.

But England still remain the Rugby World Cup holders.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 03:40 PM

And don't forget - in England, Rugby is the second favourite kind of football, but in Ireland it's the third...

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 04:06 PM

Correct McGrath, I have pointed this out before, Gaelic games and Soccer are more popular, Rugby comes a poor third in popularity.
England are reputed to have more Clubs than we have players, so by all accounts we should never win, but along with Scotland and Wales we have had our moments, and today ranks with the best, well done lads.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Ed.
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 07:03 PM

Well done indeed. The better team on the day won, and they seem a very good team. The Triple Crown would be well deserved.

I think that ard mhacha's comments about population/popularity are a little simplistic though.

Using that logic, India would be the undisputed champions of world cricket, the All Blacks would be minnows at rugby, and Australia wouldn't win anything....

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Gareth
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 07:18 PM

Whilst the 25% Irish in me enjoyed that victory ( Will Woodward be required to hand back his knighthood ?)I must point out that Ard M is in danger of being drummed out of the Republicans.

After all a true Republican would condemn Rugby as a nasty English Imperialist invention !

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,True Republican
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 07:52 PM

No they wouldn't

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,True Republican
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 07:54 PM

... They would rejoice in beating them at their own game....

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,True Republican
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 08:30 PM

As usual!

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Leadfingers
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 09:01 PM

Well Done the Paddies. Now lets see if the Taffies can stuff the bloody French!!

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,True Republican
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 09:34 PM

That would be nice as well

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 09:59 PM

Mine's a Pernod.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,#2
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 10:02 PM

Ahh, good old 'leg opener'

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 10:05 PM

Ooh La La.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Hrothgar
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 10:32 PM

Ask me if any tears are being shed in Australia.




























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Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: alanabit
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 08:49 AM

No team can remain unbeaten for ever. Well done Ireland. It is a remarkable achievement for them when South Africa, Australia and New Zealand all failed to beat England in the same year. Mind you, I'll be cheering England on again next time...

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 10:56 AM

The Irish team was as good winning against England as they were poor losing against the French team.

Where does rugby feature in French rankings?

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 12:03 PM

Somewhere after seduction and wine appreciation?

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Auxiris
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 01:13 PM

Well, my friends, the Wales/France match has been played. . . not what I would call a "pretty" game, but a win is a win. . .

cheers,

Aux

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: ard mhacha
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 05:06 PM

Gareth You were cheering your ass off, any Welsh man I have met would have cheered Ireland to the echo, and then again, I am beginning to believe you are as Welsh as Maggie Thatcher.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 06:27 PM

If Napoleon was Scottish I am sure that Maggie must be too.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Gareth
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 06:54 PM

Of course I was cheering my arse off, as any civilized Welshman would do.

The fact remains, what is a good republican doing taking an interest in Rugby Football - that epitomy of English cultural inports into Ireland ????

Gareth *BG*

(We Welsh only support two teams, Wales, and whoever plays England)

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 07:12 PM

Well I'll admit to it, I have no interest in rugby but just love it when the Irish beat the English at anything. Yep that probably makes me shallower than shallow, but it is inbred and can't be helped. I think I was brought up on years of subliminal messages throughout the Late, Late Show.

It makes no difference what the game, could be tiddlywinks, chess, golf,arm wrestling or topless volleyball.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Ringer
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 10:23 AM

Yeah, inbred, true. Do your knuckles drag along the ground as you walk?

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Ringer
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 10:24 AM

Er... that was meant to be humorous, btw.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 12:46 PM

Having trouble with these raw knucles, but boy the Bananas never tasted sweeter. The game may have been invented by Webb Ellis and I am certain many another game was invented by the English, so what`s the Gareth man moaning about, this is a 32 county Irish team and I say God Bless oul Webb for lifting that ball, a game is a game and stuff the politics. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: 8_Pints
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 01:19 PM

I'll drink to that Ard Mhacha!

Bob vG

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 04:52 PM

No problem, that`ll be 9 pints then.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,True Republican
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 04:52 PM

Even the Loyalist element accept the colour of the Northern Ireland Football jersey, Gareth.
Don't be looking for trouble where there is none, boyo.

Can't wait till we beat the English at cricket

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 05:03 PM

I can't help feeling that England did not play well but I don't know how much of that was down to the Irish game plan. Whatever, Ireland thoroughly deserved the victory on the day. Congratulations to them.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: weerover
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 01:35 AM

England were undoubtedly worthy of winning the world championship but it's always great when a superiority complex gets shaken, just like when Scotland did it at Wembley in '67. Good on the Ireland side who thoroughly deserved their result on the day.

wr.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 01:38 PM

God help me i`m blushing, my ass is on fire. I remember that game, Jim Baxter was brilliant, and the Scottish supporters after the game, helped themselves to the nets, posts, and turf.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 01:51 PM

Jon, Sorry I overlooked your posting, that "England played bad" theme was played over and over on Radio 5 BBC. Ireland didn`t play up to their true potential, and we did have two class acts off Geordan Murphy and Dennis Hickie.
We will celebrate with the triple crown, you could have had 33 to 1, at our local bookmakers on this, now you wouldn`t get the reverse odds, as it was I made a nice wee sum on the England game, taking Ireland at evens with a 22 point start, bliss.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 02:54 PM

Ard, I'm sorry if that came over as sour grapes. It wasn't intended that way. I was dissapointed in the way England looked but as I indicated earlier, that could well have been down to Ireland for example studying the lineouts and working out how to win them. English mistakes could be down to Irish pressure, etc.

At the end of the day, all that really matters is how the 2 teams play on the day. Ireland won justifiably IMO purely on the very fair grounds they were the better side.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Fiolar
Date: 10 Mar 04 - 08:35 AM

Great match. Funny though, Dallaglio had an Irish grandmother and at one time was offered the opportunity to play for Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,Barry
Date: 10 Mar 04 - 10:30 AM

Not that politics has any place in sport - but Rugby just shows what happens when we all work together on this island.

Pity we couldn't have an all island soccer team.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: ard mhacha
Date: 10 Mar 04 - 02:21 PM

Jon, You are comung across as a true sport, good luck to you.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,CrazyEddie
Date: 11 Mar 04 - 10:43 AM

For Sale:
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Apply, C. Woodward, Twickenham

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,Mikey joe
Date: 11 Mar 04 - 11:26 AM

MEN CHOKE IN FRONT OF LARGE CROWD

80,000 spectators watched helplessly yesterday as 15 sportsmen choked in front of them, apparently after being force-fed a large slice of humble pie. A doctor attending the scene said that the men had a medical history of this sort of thing: apparently it also
happened in 2000 in Edinburgh, Wembley in 1999 and Landsdowne in 2001.


Mj

BTW There is a theory that Rugby while its invention is credited to WW Ellis, is unlikely to simply have been invented. Rather it was a more gradual progression and evolution of the ancient Irish game of Cáid )popular in Kerry and Cork. So why wouldn't we have one. Rugby is after all an IRISH game ;-). Looking forward to seeing Ireland win next year in Croke Park

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: ard mhacha
Date: 11 Mar 04 - 12:47 PM

Mikey Joe, Croke Park?, this is our ground built over the years by true gaels, imagine those English supporters that wrecked Lansdowne Road desecrating the sacred ground.
Let the Soccer crowd, [who helped themselves to the World Cup money?] go cap in hand to some of their cross-chanell friends and beg .
Both the Rugby and Soccer Associations have been long enough around to have a couple of decent stadiums, the GAA have many good stadiums throughout Ireland, all down to hard working gaels and shrewd mangament.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Raedwulf
Date: 11 Mar 04 - 05:36 PM

ard - Good luck to the Irish, it was deserved. On the day, as Dallaglio (sort of) said - the best team won.

Here's the challenge - will you, all regardless, come back next year & say the same? If England romp home in 2005 on their way to the (expected) Grand Slam, will you be as voluble & gracious in defeat as in victory?

I am minded of the Portsmouth fans in the recent FA Cup Q/F against Arsenal. They cheered their team throughout. They sang "Pompey Chimes" solidly for 90 minutes. They also gave a standing ovation to every Arsenal substitution, & applauded the victors in defeat.

Would you, ungrudgingly, do the same?

The Irish won on merit this year. Will you cheer as lustily next year if your side suffers the reverse? Portsmouth never let that stop them - how about you?

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Gareth
Date: 11 Mar 04 - 07:39 PM

Different shaped ball ! I might have some respect for English sportsmanship, if any England team didplayed any.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: ard mhacha
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 06:15 AM

Raedwulf,Have the morons that supported the English soccer teams at Wembley learned not to jeer and boo the visiting teams national anthems?, how can you advise other supporters who have always been a credit to their country wether home or abroad.
I see the English Police have started to round-up some of their scum-bag fans, as the English FA are on their last warning regarding their fans behaviour in the European Finals, this is a wise move, but an impossible task.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Seaking
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 07:00 AM

As is always the case, the true winners on the day were the supporting fans of both sides. Fuelled by alcohol before and during the game and totally integrated within the stadium there was good humour and sportmanship demonstrated throughout. My personal highlight(other than the result) was observing a friend asking directions from a mounted policeman after the game as the horse casually ate the pocket of his Barbour jacket.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: barrygeo
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 08:25 AM

Raedwulf
I dont think Irish supporters in any code have been found wanting in defeat. But I hope the English team show a bit more respect for our head of state than they did under Martin Johnson last time.

Croke Park - personally I'd like to see the rugby played there, the atmosphere would be intimidating and there would be more tickets available. Unfortunately the GAA wont even allow a debate from within their own organisation so there's not much hope.

I don't think I'd want the English soccer fans in there or in any stadium for that matter.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,Beachcomber
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 02:10 PM

Ard Mhaca , you must have been born within the last ten to fifteen years if you are not aware of the difficulties for soccer people in gathering funds for anything, much less a stadium, over the years .
I have been involved for a lot longer and could tell many tales of the reception given to people like me at the doorsteps.
Not like the one given the GAA lads who were (and still are in places) seen as the only "true gaels".
The kind of money collected over the last 60 to 70 years by the GAA was never available to soccer clubs around the country. That includes the clubs formed in the rural areas after the '66 world cup on television.
The rugby and GAA officials always had the "upper class" and working class (rural especially) shelling out to them.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 04:41 PM

ard - I'm not talking about English football fans, & it's not only them that boo anthems. I deplore any alleged fans of any country disrepecting their opponents anthem. It's boorish at best (& it's never "at best", IMHO).

As an example, I used the the Portsmouth's fans recent & rather wonderful behaviour. This isn't directly related to football, it is simply something that I found surprising, delightful, and (above all) sporting.

In Rugby, I've never noticed any overt animosity. Nor was I implying anything about Irish fans of any sport. You, however, (like it or not) have something of a reputation as an English basher. You came in here crowing about the Irish victory. I'm English. The Irish won last week, they won on merit, bloody good luck to 'em (you). It's good for the game, it's good for Ireland, it's good for England in the long run; & I doubt you'll find an intelligent fan (this is rugby, not footie, after all! ;) ) who'd disagree.

The challenge still stands. You have shown yourself to be a biased Anglophobe in the past. You've enjoyed yourself in the last week. I've enjoyed the Irish victory too. My team got done, what the hell, that's what it's about, isn't it?

But where will you be & what will you be saying if YOUR team gets stuffed next year???!!!

That's the true test of a fan, I think. Will you be as generous in defeat as you are in victory? I haven't seen your generosity in the last couple of years, I have to say!

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 04:49 PM

barrygeo - As noted, I've nothing to say (in the negative) about Irish fans. As regards any 'disrepect', from what I remember of reports from this side of the Sea, the events had more to do with lousy organisation on the part of the Irish RU & English concentration on the job in hand (let's face it - Ireland is A Power in rugby these days, & not to be taken lightly!). There was, IMHO, no deliberate slight toward the Irish Premier whatsoever. In all honesty, I can't imagine even a soccer team being so crass, never mind rugby!!

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 04:52 PM

Conveniently can't remember the last meeting between the England and Rep. of Ire in Dublin, hey? Which 'fans' marred that occasion then?

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 05:13 PM

"Conveniently" nothing, BPL. Get stuffed! I know what happened last time, & oh, remind me again, wasn't it a football match, not rugby? Not to put too fine a point on it, fuck off until you can come back with an argument that at least has a loose relation to what I've just posted.

Yes, footie fans; Dutch, German, English & etc; often display Neanderthal (or Cro-Magnon, if you prefer) characteristics. So do you in your unintelligent response to my post. Easy to bitch, isn't it?

I've no problem with with the Irish even (tongue in cheek there, just in case anyone misses it...) when they win, so what's your problem, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 05:20 PM

My post wasn't addressed to you, Raedwulf. Take a pill.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 05:24 PM

Fair enough, but it looked... inauspicious? I'm on port rather than pils at the moment... ;)

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 05:32 PM

I can see why you took offence, Raedwulf -- my message followed your post so seemed to be directed at it. A port sounds good, I'm a fan myself.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 05:35 PM

I'm not a fan... I can't manage quite that much motion... The fingers still work but that's about it... :)))))))))))))))))) ;)

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 05:43 PM

I freely admit I don't know what that means, Readwolf, but it's going on 3:00 pm here and your mention of port has got me thinking about going for a pint at the pub after work. So thanks, have a wonderous weekend. Hope your favourite rugby/footie teams wins (unless they're playing mine). ;o)

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: Gareth
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 07:42 PM

Thank God nobody mentioned the Wales/France resullt.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: ard mhacha
Date: 13 Mar 04 - 06:16 AM

Thank God I wasa not standing close to Raedwulf when watching Ireland stuff England, going by his last few posts, that result at Twickenham has him really up in arms, blowing a gasket or two.
Relax Raedwulf and join the happy band of sporting Irish who are applauded the world over for their exemplarary behaviour, I wont go through all of the European countries the English fans have polluted with their loutish behaviour, Portugal beware this summer.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Mar 04 - 07:09 AM

Bollocks, Ard... We have a minority, mostly in English football, that many English sports fans detest. I would put Raedwulf in the large group who would have been horrified at what happened at Landsdowne Road, would share a pint with you regardless of the outcome of a match, etc. I also like to think I come into that camp, eg. if I ever got to Dublin for a game, I'd like to be able to go to a local pub after a match and have a pleasant pint with supporters of both teams regardless of the result of the match.

As a point of interest, is my memory failing me or did Italy drop an achohol ban for English rugby supporters recently?

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: ard mhacha
Date: 13 Mar 04 - 09:46 AM

No problem Jon, just as long as you and the wulf-man are throughly frisked.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 13 Mar 04 - 10:35 AM

I've never been frisked Ard but I have had my instrument case searched, a rucksack emptied, been question about who I am, what I do etc. In Holyhead in the past (I've not been over in years)...

Here is a little tale for you from my first ever trip to Ireland (c. 1987). I asked a friend and I was told his family would welcome me in Rathangan. I walked up there from Kildare town and met my friend's father. Something had clearly gone wrong in communications - his reaction was to call for my frined's brother saying something like "There's this English bastard at the gate who claims he knows you". Anyway, to cut a long story short, matters were soon resolved and I had a good 3 or 4 days camping in thier field/garden, going for walks by day along the canal, nice pints in pubs, being treated to proper soda bread cooked on a peat fueled range, etc.

I think I'm trying to say that the suspicion about many of us is quite unfounded (and perhaps it works the other way too). I've only had happy times in your country and even once asked (Keatings or perhaps Hughes in Dublin) to be kidnapped as I didn't want to get on the Dart to start my journey home.

Subject: RE: BS: England 13 Ireland 19
From: ard mhacha
Date: 13 Mar 04 - 01:23 PM

Jon , Relax don`t go overboard about a bit of banter and that also applies to Raedwulf, I would gladly welcome anyone who comes to this fractured country.
Frisked at Holyhead!, well you can be thankful you weren`t punched and kicked by a troop of Paddies in you native land, as long as your in civvies the pints will flow.