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Subject: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST,Not No Kar Racin' Fan Date: 26 Apr 04 - 04:58 PM The NASCAR crowds overwelmingly support Bush. Surprise, Surprise. They deserve each other. They walk Side by Side with a lack of intelligence, rednecks to the end. Okay, I guess there are some intellegent people who like to watch cars go round n round n round...and drank beer and watch cars go round n round n....and ate hot dogs and watch cars go round n round n.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Apr 04 - 05:04 PM VVVVVVOOOOOOOOMMMM......mmmmmm.....mmmmmmm....mmmmmmmm.... VVVVVVOOOOOOOOMMMM......mmmmmm.....mmmmmmm....mmmmmmmm.... VVVVVVOOOOOOOOMMMM......mmmmmm.....mmmmmmm....mmmmmmmm.... VVVVVVOOOOOOOOMMMM......mmmmmm.....mmmmmmm....mmmmmmmm.... VVVVVVOOOOOOOOMMMM......mmmmmm.....mmmmmmm....mmmmmmmm.... VVVVVVOOOOOOOOMMMM......mmmmmm.....mmmmmmm....mmmmmmmm.... VVVVVVOOOOOOOOMMMM......mmmmmm.....mmmmmmm....mmmmmmmm.... VVVVVVOOOOOOOOMMMM......mmmmmm.....mmmmmmm....mmmmmmmm.... VVVVVVOOOOOOOOMMMM......mmmmmm.....mmmmmmm....mmmmmmmm.... VVVVVVOOOOOOOOMMMM......mmmmmm.....mmmmmmm....mmmmmmmm.... D'oh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Don Firth Date: 26 Apr 04 - 05:06 PM Don't forget crash and burn. Lotsa folks just love crash and burn. I guess it breaks up the monotony. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST,Not No Kar Racin' Fan Date: 26 Apr 04 - 05:09 PM The crash and burn is kinda like Iraq, Huh? LH gosh, I guess them decibells is what makes it xcitin' |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Amos Date: 26 Apr 04 - 05:12 PM Well, now...I have a lot of respect for the incredible feats of engineering that make NASCAR possible, and they should never be taken for granted. It's easy to sneer, but I'd like to see you develop that kind of horsepower!! Now, Spaw, he likes NASCAR, being a car-man from way back. But I don't think he likes a Bush very much. Mebbe this generality is got holes in it? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST,Norton1 Date: 26 Apr 04 - 05:54 PM I am not a Bush fan - and I LOVE NASCAR Only sport where they start out with the National Anthem, say a prayer for safety, and overwhelmingly support the troops - My kind of people. Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Bobert Date: 26 Apr 04 - 05:55 PM Ahhhh, interesting three piece article in the Wsahington Post that began yesterday about how divided America is, some hypothesises on how it has occured, and genearl observations about the two camps. The Reds and the conservatives and generally are folks who live in the states that Bush either won or was awarded (i.e. Florida) and the Blues states are more populated with more liberal folks... Anyway, yesterday's installment was an overview and todays was inside the home's deep inside Red America, the Stein family of Sugar Land, Texas. And, while the article didn't mention NASCAR, one gets the strong impression that Mr. Stein can certainly tell you a thing or two about the current points standing. That's why, while I knew what Howard Dean was trying to do with his "Bubba with a Confederate flag on the pickup truck" speech, I believe that there is no way of getting these Red folks to leave their camp. Like how many Red camp folks were in the Woman's March yesterday? None! 1.5 million folks and not 1!!! But that is reality. Now I've been known to joke around about country music and NASCAR but if it weren't for these two pastimes, the Red Camp would be purdy bored. And know what? The Blue camp could get themselves a NASCAR race car and they would be booed and run into a wall by Stroker Ace so all them Red(neck) camp folks could get their jollies... So, it's my hope that the Blue camp can come up with some events, other than protesting and being enlightened, that are equally exclusive. Problem is, the Red camp is so well financed in the area of entertainment and so far ahead that it may just be a dream to think that *our* side could ever come up with anything equivalent to NASCAR... Now, not to sound sour-grapish, but if sitting in the hot sun watching cars drive round and round and round is the Red camps way of having fun, we Blue camp folks certainly win in the intellegence department... Ahhhhh, IMHO... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST,Not No Kar Racin' Fan Date: 26 Apr 04 - 05:55 PM OH NO! I ditunt want to rile Spaw. He muss be won of dem intelligent gents I wuz a'referrin' to a'bove. Gloom Dispar' and Agony On Me... |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Strick Date: 26 Apr 04 - 06:01 PM I think liberals should get themselves a NASCAR racing team to go with their liberal radio! Wonder what kind of sponsors they'd windup with plastered all over the car and the driver's clothes, though. That could be interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Apr 04 - 06:02 PM Amos, I used to develop that kind of horsepower just watching Diana Rigg do her bit in the old TV show "The Avengers"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST,Not No Kar Racin' Fan Date: 26 Apr 04 - 06:06 PM Bet the liberal race cars n clothes would be racy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Amos Date: 26 Apr 04 - 06:11 PM Prolly like GAP and "Banana Republic" and maybe "Land's End", or L.L. Bean, huh? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 26 Apr 04 - 07:28 PM Why hell yeah them NASCAR boys 'n girls likes Bush. They's lotsa reasons. Like... Bush and Busch are homonyms so ever time Bubba drinks a Budweiser Dubya gits a free subliminal advertisement. Everbody needs somebody they kin feel smarter than an even Joe Bob is smarter than Dubya. Both Bush and most NASCAR fans pronounce "America" as a two or, at most, three syllable word. NASCAR racin's all about goin' 'round in circles tryin' t' be th' first t' git t' some imaginary goal while tryin' t' keep a buncha assholes that don't like ya from killin' yore ass. The war in Iraq is all about goin' 'round in circles tryin' t' be th' first t' git t' some imaginary goal while tryin' t' keep a buncha assholes that don't like ya from killin' yore ass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Bobert Date: 26 Apr 04 - 07:51 PM Yo be da man, bruce... Heck, I go gettin' all phosphical an' all and hit my thumb but you got it nailed, like pedal to metal nailed... Now fir the real kicker. Ahhhhh, Iz got a big confession to make here so I'll just do and get it over wid... Ahhhhh, of the shame but... I used to have a race car. (Ouch, Bobert, you???) Yup, when I was in Richmond I build a mini-stocker. '64 Karmann Ghia and would take it to Southside Speedway and run fir 3rd place seein' as the 3 front wheel drive Rabbits were tearing all us rear wheel drive racers up.) And I was not only listenin' to country music but playing it! There, now its out. Good to get it off my chest. Sniff. Too hit the post message button or not! That is now the question.... Hmmmm? This is tough... Stroker Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST,Not No Kar Racin' Fan Date: 26 Apr 04 - 07:56 PM Gollie Gee Bell, Bee-dubya-ell, yur talkin' dont sound lik no intelligent libraille. I git a kick outta yourn' an Bobert's grammer. Now be 'ornest, yu must haf bin a redneck lik me onest or at leest haf hung out wif summofum cause yu got there brogue down pat. Only thang wurst wood be watchin' NASCAR on TV, wurster than watchin' tuh pro goof turr, yuck! Gord Bless Uh'merckuh and pass them suds |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST,Not No Kar Racin' Fan Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:03 PM No Bobert! yuv outted yurseff. Tuh wurstest I dun wuz got in trubble fur drag racin' but I never dun no round n round stuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Jim McCallan Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:09 PM Well done Bobert! |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Bobert Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:09 PM Yo, GUEST, no-racin'-fan... Yup, I think youz been hangin' wid some of da same folks as I has 'ceptin' I done swore the whole batch o' mine off when I moved outtta the capitol of the Con-Fed-Reecy... Sho nuff, sored 'um off. An' better fir it now that Iz livin' up in this Wes Ginny holler wid deze in-lighteratin' folks... Hmmmmmm? Yeah, I confess to watchin' NASCAR fir a couple o' years when I moved up here. Actually starting buildin' me nuther race car outta a 74 Dodge "twaz-a-fuzz" I bought cheap at the county sale but it decided to go fir a ride by itself outta my brothers barn, where I was strippin' it down, an ended up crashing thru two of my brothers fences, almost hit his bull before endin' up with a tree buried up to the dashboard at the bottom of the hill. I reckon'd right then and there that God was tellin' me that my racin' days were over... Lately I thought about buyin' a Formula Vee to race over at Summit Poin which is a road course but this time, instead of God sayin' no, it's the P-Vine (wifeperson)... Ex-Stroker Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Amergin Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:10 PM NASCAR is the human equivalent of a dog chasing it's own tail....I wonder if the drivers ever wonder why they;re not going anywhere... |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:26 PM But don't forget - all them drivers is turnin' LEFT!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Bobert Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:33 PM Problem with all that left turning on Sunday affernoon is that they compensate with lots of right turns everywhere else in life... Reckon they think of it as balance??? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST,Not No Kar Racin' Fan Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:37 PM turnin' left but they still ain't liberal. Bush's appearance provided him with an opportunity to reach out to this election year's coveted "NASCAR dad" constituency — stereotyped as mostly white, male and Southern even though the sport's reach is much broader. Them NASCAR DADS may be rednecks but they vote. DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- The phone rang during Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s Daytona 500-winning press conference early Sunday evening. It was Junior's cell phone, and after a glance at the number, he answered it. Dale Earnhardt Jr. "Yes, sir," Earnhardt Jr. said. "Thank you very much." A congratulatory call, of course. But it wasn't from a friend or a sponsor rep. No, it was a guy with a higher office. President George W. Bush. President Bush had flown on Air Force One to see the start of Sunday's race, but left before it ended. Still, the president wanted to offer his best wishes. And Junior handled it as only Junior can. "Take it easy," Junior said as he hung up. I wonder how many families of the war dead Bush has called? Flying One to a darn car race does not seem like wise use of tax dollars. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Apr 04 - 09:20 PM Yeah, I'm not in the majority in any racing series as far as politics go but then again, I'm not in the majority around here regarding racing. I'm a bigger fan of Super Mods and Sprinters and Midgets, but I watch NASCAR too. I also follow F1 and the ALMS, MotoGp and Superbike, Unlimited Hydroplanes.......... As a group, racing folk are pretty conservative so I try to avoid talking politics......they're pretty incapable of understanding! Of course it's also senseless to try to explain my love of racing around here for the same reason! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Amos Date: 26 Apr 04 - 10:40 PM Nar, nar, Spaw -- I dig the performance thing. I see a beautiful and efficient engine like a kind of poem in steel, see? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST,Not No Kar Racin' Fan Date: 26 Apr 04 - 10:52 PM I have an AA degree in Automotive Mechanics and I once worked as a mechanic. I've overhauled engines, standard and automatic transmissions, transfer cases (all powertrain components) and drive a big 6.0L Powerstroke Diesel Pickup... and I still do not like circular track racing. Kind of like circular reasoning...just is not logical. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Apr 04 - 10:56 PM I don't consider NASCAR or any of those auto races "sport." I consider those a sorry-ass form of "entertainment." Sport to me implies that a human or sometimes a human and an animal get some physical exercise. Might be using the hunting sense of the word (sport hunting) or it might be the sense of games (football, baseball, soccer) or small group or solitary pursuits (hiking, climbing, swimming, running, etc.). Nope. NASCAR is the CAR doing most of the work, burning up petrochemicals at a furious rate, creating lots of noise and air pollution in the process. It's a sedentary and wasteful form of entertainment, sitting watching cars drive in a circle waiting for the crash and burn along the way. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Blackcatter Date: 26 Apr 04 - 11:08 PM Yeah well, I'm here to take your narrow-minded slimy crap. I like NASCAR racing and while I'm not a Democrat, I'm hardly a Republican. Also, if you'd get to know some of the drivers, crews, and owners you'll find that many of them aren't the conservative twits you think they are. Like any sport, most of the people involved are there because of the sport, not because of the general political leanings of the fans or whatever. I like the racing because it's damn difficult to do. Those that do it well, win a lot. It's just a shame so much money is being pumped into some teams - Dale Earnhart International is becoming the Yankees of NASCAR. FUCK THE YANKEES, FUCK D.E.I. I don't go to races anymore because of the false Patriotic crap that infests the whole spectacle. And I got tired of 100,000 people hooting and hollering through the entire National Anthem. Fucking idiots who should all be drafted, if you ask me. Besides, racing is much better viewed on a wide-screen TV. There's cameras all over the cars to see the bumping, there's camers in the pitsw to see the incredible team-work there. There are interviews with crew chiefs during the race as well as with drivers after they've had to end their day - of even during a red flag period. The commentary is generally intelligent and the drivers and crew chiefs are often well-spoken. so there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST,Not No Kar Racin' Fan Date: 26 Apr 04 - 11:19 PM Blackcatter, I agree with you about the false patriotic stuff and yes, the mechanics and designers are intelligent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Little Hawk Date: 27 Apr 04 - 12:01 AM I still prefer Diana Rigg. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Metchosin Date: 27 Apr 04 - 01:18 AM I preferred her Lotus Elan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: catspaw49 Date: 27 Apr 04 - 02:04 AM (:<)) at Mets!!! SRS, I am sure I can never explain it to you, but there is athletic ability involved. Try going to a Sprint Car race at a half mile dirt track where the cockpit temperature is over 140 and you're trying to control an 800 horsepower, 800 pound car hitting speeds over 100, most of that going sideways, lap after lap, amidst a pack of 25 other cars........no, the car does not do all the work....believe me. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 27 Apr 04 - 02:25 AM "You has paid your money and you has had your ride, but where has you been?" (old merry-go-round saying) clint |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST Date: 27 Apr 04 - 08:33 AM If Democrats and Greens Ran NASCAR instead of Rednecks, we'd see Yugos, Hyundis, and an occasional ancient VW rabbit All going 55 or less No sponser decals (all corporate fat cats are republican),just a hell of a lot of bumper stickers Lawyers at the scene of every crash No one ever declared the winner-that could damage the emotional development of the younger drivers |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Bobert Date: 27 Apr 04 - 08:53 AM LOL, GUEST... Yeah, Spawzer, I've been to a couple Sprint car races and they're insane... I wouldn't drive one of them things for love or money... You gotta be nuts... And, SRS. I think if you were to see one of the races at Summit Point Race track which is righgt accross the Shenandoah River from me, you'd probably like it. It is a 2.6 mile road course and open cockpit cars compete. Paul Newman has competed there several times. Another nice thing about it is you can drive your car into the infield, which is all wooded with the track running around it and watch from under a shadey tree. And, unlike the NASCAR, there are right turns and a nice slolum and the folks who race and watch are a lot different than the NASCAR folks... X-Stroker Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Kim C Date: 27 Apr 04 - 10:47 AM Driving a car at 180+ mph in a fireproof suit takes not only a lot of strategy, but the driver must also be in peak physical condition to withstand those circumstances. Racing is hard on the body - if you don't believe me, just look at Mark Martin. He's only 44. It's hard on the mind, too. It takes a lot of focus and concentration to go that fast for 500 miles on a circular track. It's all right if you don't like racing. Fine. But there isn't any need for you to put down people who do, or the people who drive the cars, or make sweeping generalizations about them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Blackcatter Date: 27 Apr 04 - 11:19 AM And don't forget that 4 times a year, NASCAR runs on road courses and does very well. Unlike open wheel cars, they "trade paint" on the road courses too. As decribed this weekend by the announcers: A 747 needs a ground speed of about 150 MPH to get off the ground. At places like Darlington and Daytona, NASCAR runs at nearly 200 MPH. They run closer to together at that speed that you are comfortable parking next to other cars in a parking lot. If you think that takes little skill, I'm sorry but you're ignorant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Apr 04 - 03:44 PM As a form of entertainment, auto and truck and other motorized vehicles are an environmental disaster area. They burn resources at an obscene rate. The metal, rubber, chemicals, and fuel are of little use when racers are finished with them. Are they recycled or do they find their way to the landfill? Just consider the waste of fuel, the noise, the air pollution from the race vehicles, and the pollution of the slow long lines of traffic wending their way to the track (we see warnings on our local freeways for days in advance of races: "expect slow traffic" at this and that freeway exchanges). I don't think it's just my head cold medicine that has me saying "thanks, but no thanks" to the suggestions that I might enjoy sitting and watching any kind of vehicle drive around in circles or throw mud on some cross country track. I am so careful with my own consumption, I telecommute so I don't have to drive to work every day, I plan my errands so that I can do several things in one trip. I don't just run to the store for one or two little things. We live in an urban area where we have ozone action days, and the weather reports all summer and into the fall are color coded. My children both have slight symptoms of asthma. Many urban children do. I'm sorry, but I can't just look the other way at a sport that contributes nothing good to the environment and encourages wasteful behavior. Airports and other industrial things are also contributors to the problem. They need a lot of work also. But this auto racing--there isn't a single thing about it that is necessary to anyone's life. I see a huge waste of resources and lives. All for a Good Ol' Boy faux-sporting event. (Sorry, Bobert, I know we agree on a lot of things, but this is one where we have to part company!) If greens raced cars, they'd be turned off, they'd be in neutral, and they'd be pulled by horses. And more power to them! SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Little Hawk Date: 27 Apr 04 - 04:55 PM Awww, c'mon, Kim. Our sweeping generalizations are all that we have with which to combat that creeping sense of ennui... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST Date: 27 Apr 04 - 05:14 PM Dear me SRS I don't believe music or posting on threads involve "a single thing necessary to anyone's life" either. I certainly hope we all won't have to consult you for your personal approval of our leisure time activities.If so, it could get very congested about your house, and that wouldn't be good for the environment either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Apr 04 - 05:28 PM GUEST, you presume a great deal and post nonsense. Do you know what "criticial thinking" means? Try it sometime. Meanwhile, get a life, and get a moniker if you intend to keep pestering people here at Mudcat. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Strick Date: 27 Apr 04 - 05:36 PM Back in the 70s ABC's Wide World of Sports began pioneering pseudo-sports shows by having a competition that pitted athletes of various sports against each other. There was some complaining when they included a race car driver the first year, particularly when he came in second, beating all those highly trained athletes from other sports. Not his fault. Intelligent and in superb condition, he just handled the individual contests better than the people he was up against. Never had another race car driver in that series. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Little Hawk Date: 27 Apr 04 - 05:48 PM Sounds similar to fighter plane pilots. They have to be in excellent shape too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: DougR Date: 27 Apr 04 - 06:11 PM So what's wrong with NASCAR? I don't care for the races myself, but darned sure don't criticize those that do. Poster sounds a bit like an elitist. What's an elitist doing on a folk music site? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Amos Date: 27 Apr 04 - 06:43 PM I think SRS has identified all the drawbacks, DougR. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: GUEST Date: 27 Apr 04 - 06:59 PM So srs,anyone who disagrees with you fails to think critically?I would have expected a more critical line of reasoning, but I guess from a self-annointed "sage" thats as good as you get. And by the by, I do have a life and fortunately it doesn't include telling others how to enjoy theirs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Amos Date: 27 Apr 04 - 07:02 PM What, just running around spying and sniping from cover? Sheesh. Do I really need to point out that SRS wa snot telling people what to do, but was pointing out why she wouldn't asupport NASCAR racing? And in veryunderstandable terms, too! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Bobert Date: 27 Apr 04 - 07:03 PM I gotta agree with ya, Strick, on this one. In the ministock division we only raced 10 laps between the longer featured races and 10 laps was all I wanted. Wore me out. Of course I was usually up way late the night before workin' on the car... Okay, SRS... I see yer point and if I hadn't got messed up in racin' in my past I'd prolly hord yer position but seein' as I did, it would be hypocritical... I would, however, like to see NASCAR do some things (restricor plates, spoiler heights, displacement, ect) to slow the cars down to make racing safer... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Amergin Date: 27 Apr 04 - 07:06 PM I think they should forbid the drivers to wear any safety gear whatsoever...That way there would be alot of folks with family stumps instead of family trees running around... |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Amergin Date: 27 Apr 04 - 07:07 PM oops that should read alot LESS folks with family stumps... |
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Subject: RE: BS: NASCAR Fans Like Bush, Duh! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Apr 04 - 09:35 PM Guest said I do have a life and fortunately it doesn't include telling others how to enjoy theirs. Now that gets a horselaugh, doesn't it? You're certainly willing to tell others your opinion if you don't agree with them! But no one can argue with you? You also said "I don't believe music or posting on threads involve "a single thing necessary to anyone's life" either. Then what the hell are you doing wasting our time here on the Mudcat? Because the lion's share of us feel that music is critical to our lives, and convivial discussion is for many essential, and for others it is at least broadening. You don't seem to improve with exposure to ideas, you're too busy trolling. It's code purple air around you! |
