BS: American Soldiers Torturing Iraqis

Subject: RE: BS: American Soldiers Torturing Iraqis
From: dianavan
Date: 13 May 04 - 12:06 AM

beardedbrucie - since I'm not voting in the American election, there is nothing to get over. I'm merely trying to tell you that your argument doesn't hold up. Read your own post - trying to tell me that the American public was responsible for the prisoner abuse because they elected Bush! You can only use that reasoning if he was elected by a majority. He wasn't! Ever heard of Diebold? Do you really think I'm that stupid?

Subject: RE: BS: American Soldiers Torturing Iraqis
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 04 - 12:14 AM

dianavan:
"You can only use that reasoning if he was elected by a majority"

And why is that??? few presidents have been elected by a majority- Not that many people vote. But this does not mean they are not elected by the pepole. The choice to not vote, or vote for a third-party candidate, or to vote for the losing one DOES NOT mean that the person is not a part of the citizenship that has elected the President. We are a REPRESENTATIVE democracy, under a rule of law.

We, the people ARE responsible for the actions of our elected officials, as can be seen by recall petitions, and impeachement procedings.

I have no problem with anyone's efforts to remove or defeat a candidate whose actions they do not approve- but I DEMAND that they follow the rule of law in doing so. If you don't like the law, work to change THAT.

Subject: RE: BS: American Soldiers Torturing Iraqis
From: dianavan
Date: 13 May 04 - 03:18 AM

beardedbruce - Since you seem be such a law-abiding citizen, maybe you can suggest what should be done with Steven Stefanowicz and that other guy, Israel. Isn't that Rumsfeld's responsibility? Who's calling the shots?

Subject: RE: BS: American Soldiers Torturing Iraqis
From: ard mhacha
Date: 13 May 04 - 03:20 AM

Jim McCallan, I see you concur with my postings, unlike Gareth who seems to lash out at anyone who disagrees with his version of events.
Can anyone believe now that the invasion was a good move?, quite simply it has been a disaster and can only get worse.

Subject: RE: BS: American Soldiers Torturing Iraqis
From: GUEST,Ken the Gunner
Date: 13 May 04 - 05:24 AM

What a great Site, I discovered this a few days ago and it is an eye-opener.
Great debate, your BS is a good idea, and your music Threads are so informative.
My work takes me all over the main cities of the UK, regarding the fiery debate on this Thread, I can tell you that the war in Iraq has turned sour for almost everyone I have come into contact with on my daily round.

Tony Blair is not the flavour of the month even in Labour strongholds, and as for George Bush and the residents of the White House it is even worse.

I am a long time Labour man but if Tony Blair decides to lead the Party into the next election he won`t have my vote.

I can see the Labour Party losing a lot of votes if they carry on clinging to the tails of the Americans, better if Tony stood down and let someone like Brown lead the Party, that is the way I see it as this Iraqi business has left a once sound Party on the brink.

Subject: RE: BS: American Soldiers Torturing Iraqis
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 13 May 04 - 11:56 AM

From earlier posting of mine in this thread:

"MGOH, earlier on in the thread, drew attention to the fact that the members of the US forces involved seemed untroubled about their ability to be indentified in the photographs published so far, whereas the "UK Soldiers" where a bit more circumspect about the possibility of identification. MGOH offered a possible explanation for this, there now appears to be another - that the photgraphs are faked."

It now appears to have been proven that the photographs depicting British soldiers abusing an Iraqi prisoner are indeed fake.