June Tabor on BBC TV

Subject: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: RolyH
Date: 30 May 04 - 07:00 AM

June Tabor is on BBC 4 TV on Friday 4th June at 10.00 BST.It will be repeated later that night and during the following week.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 May 04 - 09:03 AM

If you tell us the name of the Show, we may get a chance to catch it here in Australia - many BBC shows make it out here - 'Arty' things like this often make it to Sunday or Saturday Afternoon shows.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 30 May 04 - 09:44 AM

It's a session recorded for Jules Holland's 'Later' made at St Luke's LSO, Old Street, in London on 24 April. Her co-musicians were Andy Cutting, Huw Warren, Mark Emmerson and Tim Harries. Just try and ignore any bits with me in shot though...

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Big Tim
Date: 30 May 04 - 09:51 AM

Thanks for info, a rare tv treat to look forward to.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 30 May 04 - 10:08 AM

Sorry. I mean *Jools* Holland. June on Jools, that's it. 'Tis all too much for the fingers...

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: akenaton
Date: 30 May 04 - 06:46 PM

Countess ....what are you doing on the show??
And, do you know June?

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 May 04 - 08:17 PM

Is there any chance of this being 'taken' for radio? We get more radio stuff than TV stuff for music things out here in Australia onteh ABC various music shows - of which I am a regular follower.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Sooz
Date: 31 May 04 - 12:01 PM

There is a programme about Richard Thompson immediately before June. Both repeated in the early hours (useful when I fail to set the video!)

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 31 May 04 - 12:36 PM

Akenaton.

(1) Nothing, I was just there

(2) Yes, from long ago. We are erm...contemporaries.

And I forgor to say Martin Simpson was there too (Oops!) Don't know yet how much it's being edited down, but Andy Cutting got a solo spot playing The History Man. Well worth watching out for...

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 06:56 PM

Countess...Are you perhaps related to June.
There's quite a resemblance.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Rain Dog
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 03:37 AM

The History Man does not appear to have made the cut

Full set list and further details can be found here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/music/features/june-tabor.shtml

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 03:56 AM

Akenaton

A resemblance eh? Wish I could sing like June. No, no relation.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 03:59 AM

That Guest was me with wandering cookie.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 12:49 PM

Thanks Countess....Hope you didn't mind me asking, I'v been the worlds biggest June fan since I was a young man,and it seems to be impossible to find anybody who knows what shes really like.
Im really looking forward to the show,Thanks for the info Rain Dog ....Ake

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 01:55 PM

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: GUEST,Dan Abnormal
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 05:22 AM

No, the worlds biggest June Tabor fan would be Jim Moray... Who was also there.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: GMT
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 05:28 AM

I've put a yellow sticky on my lunchbox so I absolutely, definitely will not forget to record this. (I will not forget, I will not forget).

Cheers
Gary

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 05:54 AM

No, the worlds biggest June Tabor fan would be Jim Moray... Who was also there.

As he certainly was but I didn't like to mention it in case it looks like a case of 'stars in my eyes'. But Jim hasn't been a fan as long as I have, so there!

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Big Tim
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 10:42 AM

If Ake says he's the biggest fan, then he's the biggest fan, OK!
(I'v been through this with Dylan!).

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 11:03 AM

Well what was Dylan's opinion then, Big Tim? Martin Simpson who was June Tabor's accompanist for many years does a great version of Boots of Spanish Leather. Maybe you could ask him about that too?

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Big Tim
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 03:10 PM

That's a bit nasty Countess Richard, I use to quite like you!                                                               

If Ake thinks he's the biggest fan, who's to say otherwise, because no one else knows: it IS a personal thing. Little Hawk probably thinks he's a bigger Dylan fan than me, but I don't think so: at least that's my personal opinion.

Anyway, tonight's the night, it's gonna be alright.

btw, I have spoken to someone, my nephew, who has spoken to someone who knows Dylan well.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 03:42 PM

Can I be the oldest June Tabor fan???
I bet there wont be much competition for that!!!...Ake
PS.Hope you all enjoy the session, friends.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: GUEST,Kathleen in VA
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 03:54 PM

Will there be any kid souls taping or recording this Program for sharing by the U.S. fans?

It would be great for some of the Folk radio programs if there was an audio copy...


Just a thought.

Kathleen

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: GUEST,Kathleen in VA
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 03:55 PM

Sorry I forgot to preview.. the word is "kind" not kid.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 04:05 PM

What's nasty about that, Big Tim? I only asked what Dylan said, not having had the opportunity to speak to him myself for the past 40 years...

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 04:18 PM

Countess - were you a contemporary of June's when she sang with Mistral? (I only arrived in Oxford after she'd graduated and gone to the Taylorian..)

Kitty

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 04:41 PM

Hi Kitty

Contemporary, yes but I didn't know her well then. I didn't even go to the Heritage, sorry!   She and I only really met later when we both worked in London, me at C# House, she as a librarian.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 06:20 PM

I think Iv just seen the perfect session.
What a singer ...What a woman.... What a backing group.
Wasn't Martin Simpson great.
My faith in the future of the music has been restored.
God bless the BBC,if there is one....God I mean....Ake

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Big Tim
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 04:49 AM

CR, sorry for misunderstanding, I'm a rather sensitive guy! The person that my nephew met was Roseanne Cash. He's with the bbc and they did an interview with her quite recently about her father.

The JT singing was wonderful as was the music. My only criticism: too many overly serious, depressing songs.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 05:06 AM

Great to see and hear June and Martin together again.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Willa
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 10:52 AM

An excellent two hours (9pm to 11pm)on BBC4. Wouldn't need many of those to feel I'd had good value for my licence money!
June's opening song is one of my favourites - 'In Search of England' another.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: GUEST,Kathleen in VA
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 11:03 AM

Once again.. does anyone know if the audio portion of the JT program will be available? I am a huge fan of June's and she once performed a concert in our venue the night after she heard that one of her pets was killed. It was so sad to greet her at the door with the news to call home. She did an outstanding concert anyway.



Kathleen

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: RolyH
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 11:06 AM

Kathleen.
If you restore your cookie,you have a message.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 11:53 AM

In search of England?

That would be A Place Called England written by Maggie Holland which won best orginal song at the BBC Folk Awards in 1989.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: GUEST,Kathleen in VA
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 12:51 PM

Roly,

At the present moment, I don't know how to do this cookie thing.
I can either waith for my stepson tonight to do it or maybe you could e-mail me at

[e-mail]

Is that okay?

Kathleen

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 01:23 PM

Kathleen,

Go to the Quick Links at the top of the page, choose Login from the dropdown menu and enter your Mudcat name and password. If you can't remember them, I think you have to email some Mudcat bigshot, probably Pene Azul. Try him anyway: [e-mail]

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Willa
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 06:19 PM

That's right, CR - my mistake.I sang it on St George's Day and did remember to credit Maggie.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 09:41 PM

I didn't get a chance to see it (we don't have a telly), but spoke with a (trad folkie) friend who did see it & said he was quite disappointed; he felt the acoustics of the hall weren't very good and it was very hard to understand the words she was singing -- that the songs didn't really end up getting put across very well, even though she does have a gorgeous voice. Anyone else feel that way, or is it just him?

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Brakn
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 07:41 AM

Yorkshire.... nail on the head

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: GUEST,Dan Abnormal
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 07:59 AM

"...the acoustics of the hall weren't very good"

Forgivable if you didn't see the programme, but your friend who did watch may have noticed a microphone in front of Junes mouth. This is used to record the sound so a faithful representation of the performance may be heard upon broadcast.

I don't mean to patronise or be pedantic but how on earth would anyone know what the acoustics of the hall were like from watching the broadcast? Every single instrument on the stage was close-miced, with any reverb coming from electronics, which is obvious if you know about such things. If you don't know about such things then you're just spouting pseudo-knowledgable rubbish with comments about the acoustics. If you can't understand the words being sung (which were in fact perfectly clear) then blame the engineers at the BBC.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 08:54 AM

Indeed. The acoustics at LSO St Luke's are excellent, as anyone who has been there will testify. At the concert, every word, indeed every instrumental note was perfectly clear but it is patent nonsense to assume that the sound mix during performance is going to be reproduced automatically on transmission. It's a bit like those who rave about the Union Chapel acoustics when all they've seen and heard is a broadcast. Any sound engineer will tell you what a pig that venue is to achieve an acceptable balance on the mix.   Just moving around during a performance would give even the least technically minded some idea of the difficulties. That it comes out right sometimes is a reflection of the engineer's skill, not an accurate measure of either performance or venue.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: asirovedout
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 03:42 PM

Yorkshire Yankee got the gist of what I said at the singaround yesterday.

I'd only watched a couple of songs at the beginning, to check that the VCR was recording.
I don't know whether the sound engineer was using other mikes besides the obvious ones, or whether he perhaps put a bit of reverb in, but it wasn't clear enough for me to catch every word, which is important to me.

If you did Dan, you must have a better TV, or maybe better ears.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Ed.
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 04:15 PM

Better ears, I'd suggest. Every word was clear to me. An excellent concert.

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 05:15 PM

Junes' voice seems to have got deeper with the years,more effective now on the slower bluesy songs....Still the best folkie by a mile.
Did anyone listen to Martins' wonderful slide guitar on "The grey funnel line".Sometimes, whenI hear Martin doing an accompaniment,even with June,his brilliance just takes over the song.
He is without doubt the finest instrumentalist around...Ake

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 06:59 PM

Hi Bob (asirovedout),

You sure didn't waste any time between our talk last night and getting onto Mudcat! (I see you got the nick you were after as well.) Well done!

If I'd known you were going to be *that* quick about it, I'd have let you post for yourself, but I was quite interested to see if there was a consensus of opinion.

Cheers,

YY

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 07:30 PM

Bollocks, Dan Abnormal. It's by no means unusual to close-mike instruments and set mikes to pick up the ambient acoustic (though this is not going to replicate the sound heard by those at the live event). A small point, but worth making in view of your snotty tone.

Your Ladyship, hat does LSO stand for, as in "LSO St Luke's"?

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 10:34 AM

Depending on the quality of sound reproduction on your TV/HiFi, some registers are likely to be enhanced or degraded which could affect your ability to hear the words.

So was it a bad TV I was using, my ageing ears or was the mix really not up to the mark? I found the words a bit hard to hear at times and Andy Cutting, who I consider to be the classiest of all melodeon players, needn't have bothered playing. I reckon the best mixes are done by people who understand the genre/artist. Was this just any old outside broadcast or was it done by specialists?

Despite all the moans, what a cracking gig!

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 10:59 AM

Anyonw know of it's to be repeated this week

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 11:12 AM

Wednesday night at 11.50 on BBC4 (I think).

Subject: RE: June Tabor on BBC TV
From: Ralphie
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 02:26 PM

Have just watched a Vid of the Tx.
To clear up a few techie points.
I'm sure that all sound sources (ie Mics, DI's, etc) would have been individually split and fed to an outside mixing point, along with 4 or so Mics pointed at the audience, to provide applause, etc. (probably the Sound end of the TV Scanner).
As has been already stated, all the individual sound sources would have been as dry and Hi quality as possible.
It's then up to the ability of the engineer to create the live sound suitable for the TV, in real time....No easy task.
Luckily, on this occasion, my colleague Mike Felton was in charge.
(Look at the credits for many TV music progs...ie, Jools Holland's "Later" etc).
I can only assume that dissapointed viewers were listening on not very good equipment. No offence meant, honestly.
As for the venue, I've worked there a couple of times, and acoustically it is a joy...As the venerable Countess states...you should try working at the Union Chapel....Lovely building, pants sound!
Hope this clears up the tech bit.
Anyone want to take me on about it...see you at Womad!
Regards Ralphie