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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Jul 04 - 12:06 PM I'm in Ontario, Canada, Bengi. Where are you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Two_bears Date: 17 Jul 04 - 12:12 PM What I find so offensive in some of this thread, is the use of 'tricks' to substatiate an individdle's 'in touchness' with superior powers. Any notion of personal superiority will not eminate from the personality of a Shaman... Arrogance and egotistic posturing are physical manifestations of dark energy and psychic poverty... definitely not from higher stages of enlightenment. But what is most disturbing of all, is the psychopathic's tendency to try to use this self aggrandizing prattle to menacing ends. Yikes! It is so obvious! TTR: You are so far off base that is is hysterical. I am not tricking ANYONE. All I am doing; is trying to help raise the blinders on people (put there by the church, and accepted scientific theory) I am neither arrogant or egotistical. I am NOTHING special. Almost Anyone could do the same thing if they opened their mind and heart and applied this spiritual technology. There is no such thing as dark energy. Energy is simply energy. How the person chooses to apply the energy is what makes it white or dark. Electricity flowing in the walls of your house can take life , or when used properly; in the medical profession; speed up the healing of bones. The same ax can be used to chop wood or kill someone, ad nauseum. How am I being self aggrandizing? I have a regular job to pay the bills, I do healings free, I do charge for workshops; but to cover the cost of transportation, food and lodging. How is that self aggrandizement? I am just trying to teach people how special they really are, and how to tap into this lifeforce energy to improve their phusical, mental, emotional, and spiritual lives. ANL - 2B |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: CarolC Date: 17 Jul 04 - 12:23 PM LH, most of the energy work I've had done has had short-term beneficial results, but it hasn't been possible to get long term results because I have some deformed bones in my neck causing a misalignment of my neck which in turn, causes one of the discs in my neck to protrude, pressing on my spinal cord. This causes a disruption in the energy flow from my head to the rest of my body. This energy disruption causes a lot of problems for me physically, as well as making me easily overloaded with energy. I believe you've seen it happen. Remember the time when I was up in Orillia and you and hesp had come over for dinner and we did a little bit of hesp's kind of dancing? Remember how I suddenly got dizzy and had to sit down with my head down between my knees? This problem has also sometimes caused me to experience bad results when people have attempted to do energy work on me. For instance, making me vomit or become very, very dizzy. So it would seem that in my case, in order to get lasting results from any sort of energy work, I'll need to address the problem of the misshapen bones. In the meantime, I do have someone who does energy work on me as needed to help to offset some of the problems created by the energy blockage in my neck, but it's always short-term help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Jul 04 - 12:30 PM Yes, I see, Carol. Well, I don't doubt that there are ways to heal that, but I can't promise you anything on it. We shall see. Thomas - Two Bears is about as dangerous as a goldfish. Thanks anyway, for giving me a real good chuckle this morning. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 17 Jul 04 - 12:47 PM Your hysteria predated any input from me, 'Twa Bears'... ;^) Look... Your posts are seething with an almost vulgar need to toot your own horn... and then you childishly claim that 'you don't care' what others think. I've met a lot of pretenders to spirituallity... and these are some of the most blatent signs. So... big deal... you have work to do, just like the rest of us. BTW... I am no expert in these matters... but in my personal experience, the only people who have asserted that there is no such thing as negative energy, have been those that are oblivious to their own use of it. I am glad that you are able to heal others, Twa Bears... and I wish you all the best in doing so. Please do not forget to do your own personal healing too... And do not forget, that someone out there may be able to heal you, and make you a better, more enlightened being. ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Two_bears Date: 17 Jul 04 - 12:49 PM Our perceptions are influenced by our beliefs and fears. What appears offensive to one person is not so to another. Strong reactions indicate strong opinions, but they do not necessarily have any connection or relation to the person being reacted to. I agree completely. As we are civilized by our parents or guardians, authority figures, and other friends; young children do not want to be thought of as weird by talking of real experiences they have or had, then after time passes; they accept the idea that those experiences were fignents of an overactive imagination, then their unihipili (sub conscious mind) begins building a set of walls that limit the type of material that will be passed through to the Uhane (conscious mind), and people are litterally inside a box. I just want to help people tear down those walls, so they can reclaim the powerful spiritual being they were intened to be. Two bears has made it clear that he is not a guru, that he faciltates a process, and he does not charge money. So he does not have to be perfect. I am more suspicious of people who project as "holy" and saintly. They can be very manipulative. Freda: Thank you for the kind words. I am neither a guru, a saint, or holy. I am simply a human being who is doing the best he can one day at a time. If I am a holy person; then God must be scraping the bottom of the barrel. In my youth; I was horribly physically and mentally abused by my guardians. They were devout Baptists, and it was like this child from another planet was placed in their care. They thought ALL mystical, psychic, etc gifts were Satanic, and they did their best to beat Satan out of me. 40 years later; I still have several knots and scars on my body where I was burned with cigarettes, peaten with broom handles, iron pokers, and anything else they could get their hands on. Their worldview, and religious indoctrination had forced them to perceive such gifts were EVIL, and I suffered because of their indoctrination. From the abuse I received at home, the abuse and torture I received at school because I was weird; I became a walking/talking nightmare. When I was only 10 years old the school dictated that I learn martial arts "So that young man can learn some self control and self discipline. All the martial arts did was turn an SOB into a dangerous SOB. I left three of my school teachers, and hundreds of classmates lying in the floor. I became the 11th commandment "Thou shalt not get away with it. In my youth; I came close to killing people. When I was 18 and in college; I took a course Taoist meditation. A few weeks later; Tsang (my meditation teacher) saw the grumpy old Bear side of my nature just about take a classmate apart. Tsang took me to his home where we had a 90 minute chat about my anger, hostility, bad attitudem etc and he did all of the talking. At the end of the chat; he decided yo break his oath, and teach an American (Qigong) instead of doing nothing and watching me destroy myself. When Tsang started talking about ch'i the all pervading energy in the universe; I thought he was the biggest crachpot ever to walk the earth, then when he started talking about the more esoteric subjects such as directing the energy to punch a hole in a cloud, influence the weather for a wind to come up, influence the movement of wild animals, etc, I could not stand it any more, and I asked him to prove it. BELIEVE ME; HE PROVED IT!. 31 years ago; if Tsang were to tell me that I would be doing what I am doing now; I would have asked where I could buy some of whatever he was smoking! Well two years after I began energy work; I reached the realization that every day; I was gives a choice (how I would affect the world around me) to either be a positive or a negative influence. I began consciously choosing to be a positive influence, and I am no longer the miserable excuse for a human being; that I used to be. ANL - 2B |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: hesperis Date: 17 Jul 04 - 12:58 PM I dunno, goldfish can be slippery. *grin* Anyway, when I was 12, I started learning guitar. I also had a growth spurt at that time, and ended up with certain body adjustments that make it easier to play guitar. I don't play guitar anymore and the body adjustments that happened sometimes get in the way of doing other things. My left shoulder bone is slightly smaller than the right one, giving me much less flexibility there. The fingers of my left hand are larger than the right, because I was stretching to hit notes that I otherwise wouldn't have been able to hit, and I can stretch them even farther. The right side of my torso is slightly elongated compared to the left, this happened to make it easier to curve my body over the body of an acoustic guitar. My left shoulder often hurts and gets tense and has "crack" sounds when I relieve the tension. It is always in more pain and tension than the right shoulder is. If the body can shape itself in a growth spurt in order to fit a guitar better, rather than from any genetic prompting, then life energy can definitely shape bones. I only lately realized that the WAY in which I wasn't symmetrical was caused by that growth spurt and facilitated playing guitar. I was very symmetrical before that. It would probably take a lot of life energy to reshape an adult bone since it took a growth spurt to reshape me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Two_bears Date: 17 Jul 04 - 01:01 PM Can HUNA change the way bones are shaped? Aloha Carol; my sister. The short answer is yes; but. The long answer is because it would require the use of spiritual lifeforce energy (mana loa), the higher powers willingness to help, and it would require the person's subconscious mind (unihipili) willingness to be healed. The higher powers could easly heal people against their will; but they do not; because they will not violate a person's free will to be sick. ANL - 2B |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Two_bears Date: 17 Jul 04 - 01:13 PM Look... Your posts are seething with an almost vulgar need to toot your own horn... and then you childishly claim that 'you don't care' what others think. I've met a lot of pretenders to spirituallity... and these are some of the most blatent signs. So... big deal... you have work to do, just like the rest of us. Hello Thomas. 1. The name is Two Bears. it speaks volumes about you; that you do not have the simple courtesy to spell my name correctly 2. How have I been vulgar? 3. How is it tooting my own horn to wake people up and teach them they could do the very same thing only if they are willing to apply themself? 4. Of course I still have work to do. I never said that I did not have work to do; and you did not ask. ANL - 2B |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Two_bears Date: 17 Jul 04 - 01:21 PM LH, most of the energy work I've had done has had short-term beneficial results, but it hasn't been possible to get long term results because I have some deformed bones in my neck causing a misalignment of my neck which in turn, causes one of the Aloha nui loa Carol: I will be in Canada next week. Perhaps you could come over when I am there. I will let Daylia and LH work out the details. If you are unable to meet me when I am there; I would be happy to help however I can via distance. Just PM or E-Mail me. I teach the basics of HUNA free of charge on my website. HUNA On my website; it has a link to send me an E-Mail, and my E-mail address that you may copy into your mail program. ANL - 2B |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: CarolC Date: 17 Jul 04 - 01:24 PM Thanks LH and hesperis. Interesting answer, Two Bears. Interesting, also, is the way I got the deformities in the bones of my neck. It was from climbing up on our piano and falling off of it, landing on my head, when I was between the ages of one and two years old.. And I didn't just do it once. According to my mother, I just kept doing it over and over and over. Talk about determination, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: CarolC Date: 17 Jul 04 - 01:26 PM Looks like we crossposted, Two Bears. I'm not in Orillia now. I'm in Alabama. I'll have a look at your stuff and get back to you. Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Two_bears Date: 17 Jul 04 - 01:31 PM Looks like we crossposted, Two Bears. I'm not in Orillia now. I'm in Alabama. I'll have a look at your stuff and get back to you. Thanks. Carol: Sorry; but I thougt you were still in Orillia. I live just up the road in Tennessee. Perhaps; one day; we can meet. ANL - 2B |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Jul 04 - 01:43 PM I had an experience similar to Hesperis' in that I also reshaped my body...in a very unaware fashion. I developed the habit of carrying stuff (schoolbooks, mostly) slung against my left hip when I was in my early teens, and did it right through to the end of my schooling. The result? A formerly quite symmetrical body got reshaped into one with pronounced scoliosis (curvature of the spine), a shorter right leg (by about 1/4 inch), and accompanying misalignment of hip bones, shoulders, neck, etc....all of which have since caused me to get quite a bit of muscle tension and weakness on the left side of my back muscles. I am slowly working on retraining and balancing this body that I unwittingly sculpted out of shape when I was young and growing. It can be retrained, but it takes time and diligence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: SINSULL Date: 17 Jul 04 - 02:13 PM I have read through all the posts in this thread and have to wonder where all this anger is coming from, Thomas? Two bears has shown nothing but humility. He has offered to help anyone who wishes his help and accepts your skepticism. How is it that you alone find him arrogant? Think about it. A couple of years back I posted on Mudcat about some disturbing "talents" I had that I also had no control over. I was met with ridicule. Why is it so hard to for some of us to handle phenomena that for the moment we don't have the science to explain? No one is asking you to believe or even accept. Why so angry? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 17 Jul 04 - 04:07 PM Sinsull... If you are reading humility in Twa Bears posts, you are seeing something there that I just don't. The last couple are a good start... I'm not angry. ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: SINSULL Date: 17 Jul 04 - 07:47 PM I do not see arrogance or ego or a need to "toot one's own horn" and except for you no one else seems to either. Wolfgang has challenged Two Bears' statements but hasn't resorted to name calling. For someone who is not angry, you are doing a pretty good job of feigning anger. Why for instance do you insist on mispelling his name? I too have an utter contempt for people who claim to have a hotline to god. I was raised Roman Catholic and from the age of 9 questioned the concept that only priests and only men had that right or ability. Two Bears hasn't made that claim as far as I can see. He has said that he trained to learn how to channel energy and that any of us can achieve the same. If anyone is interested, he has offered his help as he was offered help when he needed it. Maybe I need to rephrase my question: Why are you so vehement in questioning Two Bears' abilities and motives? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Two_bears Date: 17 Jul 04 - 08:25 PM I too have an utter contempt for people who claim to have a hotline to god. I was raised Roman Catholic and from the age of 9 questioned the concept that only priests and only men had that right or ability. Two Bears hasn't made that claim as far as I can see. He has said that he trained to learn how to channel energy and that any of us can achieve the same. If anyone is interested, he has offered his help as he was offered help when he needed it. Sinsull; you read my posts correctly. Each and everyone of us have guidance and help if we work with the higher powers. The "Christians" call this link to the divine "Guardian angels", the American Indians call them "Totem animals or spirit helpers", The Occultists called them the Holy Guardian angel, The Jewish Kabbalists called them Neshamah, The Hawai'ians called them the 'Aumakua, etc. All one needs to do; is do the inner work to bring the subconscious and conscious mind together in harmony; so these spirit powers may work through us. I am NOT saying the Hawai'ian way is the ONLY way, or even the BEST way. I am ONLY saying that this path really works (if one is willing to apply the spiritual technology). Eastern philosophy and spirituality GREATLY halped me turn my life around; but it was ONLY HUNA that helped me bring my subconscious and conscious minds together in harmony, and clear the mental complexes and fixations that was severely draining my lifeforce. Then I could begin to witness these things happen. ALN - 2B |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 17 Jul 04 - 08:43 PM May the path you take lead you to goodness. ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Two_bears Date: 17 Jul 04 - 08:52 PM May the path you take lead you to goodness. Thank you Thomas. ANL - 2B |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Ebbie Date: 17 Jul 04 - 08:54 PM I don't think that Thomas the Rhymer needs defending but I surmise, Sinsul, that you haven't read some of the Two_Bears other posts- I know TtR has. The persona that TBear assumes in those other posts is as different from this one as day from night, love from contempt, insight from blindness. IMO |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Two_bears Date: 17 Jul 04 - 10:05 PM I don't think that Thomas the Rhymer needs defending but I surmise, Sinsul, that you haven't read some of the Two_Bears other posts- I know TtR has. The persona that TBear assumes in those other posts is as different from this one as day from night, love from contempt, insight from blindness. IMO Ebbie: I made statements, and people did not take the time to read and attempt to understand where I was coming from. People simply flew off the handle and reacted, and ASSUMED I was speaking about ALL Iraqi people. I reached those conclusions AFTER reading BOTH sides of the debate, and viewing the satellite images. Ebbie: I am a simple person, and I speak plainly. I do not waste time to use flowery but meaningless words. ANL - 2B |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: *daylia* Date: 17 Jul 04 - 10:08 PM He has Gemini rising - the sign of the Twins, of duality. Isn't it obvious? Just breathe deep and ponder his handle ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: SINSULL Date: 17 Jul 04 - 10:41 PM I hadn't seen the other thread. I see I have stumbled into an ongoing disagreement. Carry on, guys. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spirituality From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 18 Jul 04 - 01:37 AM Having fun Little Hawk? ...snicker...;^) |
