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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Peace Date: 02 Aug 04 - 04:04 PM weerover: KimC said: "I think the sticking point is that men and women simply process information a little differently, which sometimes leads to misunderstandings." Truer words were never spoke. GUEST: I don't think you should worry so much about Marty's masculinity. You seem to have issues here, but no doubt that's what you're doing on this thread. Keep reading. Eventually you'll find out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: GUEST Date: 02 Aug 04 - 03:42 PM They want a pecker bigger than Martin Gibson's or at least that is what his wife told me after I porked her in the arse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: GUEST,weerover Date: 02 Aug 04 - 03:34 PM Brucie, I can't agree that men and women generally want the same things in all respects: yeah, friends, money, job satisfaction, respect, all that, but a significant enough number want different things from relationships and situations (and interpret situations differently) to say the sexes are different in what they are looking for. "No, actually I don't particularly like the colour of that new outfit" does not mean the same thing as "You are a bad person and I hate you": why should (many) women want it to be so? "Tell me what's wrong" does not mean "I know what's wrong but I'm going to pretend that I don't so as not to admit that it's my fault". Any other guys out there been in this sort of situation? Sitting back and waiting to be lambasted... wr. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: MAG Date: 02 Aug 04 - 03:07 PM From me that would have gotten one;s beer snatched and poured on your head, wr. and I wonder why I'm single ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Kim C Date: 02 Aug 04 - 03:05 PM Brucie's right - I think the sticking point is that men and women simply process information a little differently, which sometimes leads to misunderstandings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Peace Date: 02 Aug 04 - 02:06 PM They want the same things men want: respect, consideration, thoughtfulness from other people, a fair hearing, like that. I don't think there's a magic formula or a secret about it. Some want material things, just like men. Some want love, just like men. Some are greedy, just like men. IMO, women and men want what people want. No rocket science there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: GUEST,weerover Date: 02 Aug 04 - 02:03 PM Further to Freightdawg's linguistic point, and speaking as one who replied to "Could you take me to the supermarket?" with "Yes, I could" and no indication of moving...well, let's just say it only happened once. wr. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Kim C Date: 02 Aug 04 - 01:43 PM I think everyone wants to be heard and validated, not just women. I'm keeping an eye out for those half-size bras! Why do you reckon it took some Jenius SO long to think of that? I know Playtex had the Thank Goodness it Fits line, and I tried a couple of those... they were all right, but not fantastic. The fit was mediocre and the styles were dull. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Nerd Date: 02 Aug 04 - 01:26 PM Damn funny, too, Kendall...not that I (or you) really believe it. (Sorry I couldn't let lay those who couldn't get laid.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: kendall Date: 02 Aug 04 - 11:08 AM I just got sick and tired of that same old bullshit and decided to stir the pot a little. Most people got the black humor. Now, let it lay. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: SINSULL Date: 02 Aug 04 - 11:02 AM Success Kim. A bra company is finally coming out with half cup sizes. A decent fit will soon be a reality. Mine are a feat of engineering but they finally come in colors. And "Yes, Ellen". Not only did he say it but he did so on the Mudcat! On his behalf I have to add that he did apologize...sort of. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Kim C Date: 02 Aug 04 - 10:24 AM Some women, myself included, have cultivated the skill of asking for what they want or need. Sometimes this is hard to do, because assertive women are often still seen as being bitchy; and who wants to be thought of as a bitch or a nag? For myself personally, I still want bras that actually fit and pantyhose that stay up. Jeans that fit would be nice too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Amos Date: 02 Aug 04 - 10:05 AM ELlenpoly: Raise your sights, darlin' -- that role's been taken by a quadruped! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Ellenpoly Date: 02 Aug 04 - 09:19 AM Did he really, Sinsull? Kendall!!!!! As for wanting to be a "goddess", I'd settle to being elevated to "man's best friend" Dream on, Ellen ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: SINSULL Date: 02 Aug 04 - 09:16 AM To be heard and validated????? This from the man who says that "Women who are against abortion are usually too old or too ugly to get pregnant"! SINS, hiding in the hedges. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: SINSULL Date: 02 Aug 04 - 09:11 AM This has been going thru my mind for two weeks now. From "I, Claudius": "I want to be a goddess, Claudius." That's about right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: kendall Date: 02 Aug 04 - 08:27 AM To be heard and validated. Simple, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: el ted Date: 02 Aug 04 - 06:38 AM A good seeing to on a regular basis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Pied Piper Date: 02 Aug 04 - 06:29 AM Hmmm "What do wwomen wan't?" Their cake and eat it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Liz the Squeak Date: 02 Aug 04 - 05:45 AM I'm sorry, I can't take advice from a bloke who kissed green women and shagged everything that ever said, in a seductive voice 'tell me about this thing you Hu-mans call luuuuuuuuuuuurvvvve' LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Ellenpoly Date: 02 Aug 04 - 05:33 AM It's not so much about what we want... ...as what we get. And that's the same for men, isn't it? ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: GUEST,William Shatner Date: 02 Aug 04 - 12:01 AM Well...yes. But not with Howard Hughes, needless to say. We have never met. Too bad. I could have given him some good advice on personal grooming and combatting depression. I have real confidence in technology, but you have to get a woman who either feels the same way or is turned on by high risk situations. Some are. Some aren't. I didn't do all those Star Trek shows for nothing. If you've locked lips with a Romulan princess while plummeting toward the rocky surface of a hostile planet in an out-of-control shuttlecraft that is disintegrating around you piece by piece amid sparking electrical explosions...this sort of thing is child's play. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Bobert Date: 01 Aug 04 - 11:03 PM Well, gol danged... Makin' love in a private plane with Howard Hughes? Iz imprssed. Were his finger nails really like 2 inches long? But seriously, I took my wife up in a Cesna and we got up to about, ahhhh, a hunner feet and she absolutely freeked out. Had to circle and put it down and get the poor girl outtta it... Too bad 'cause I reckon this is gonna make it tough to talk her into a zesty session in the back seat of one with the auto-pilot on.... Ahhhh, sorry, mary G, 'bout the accent but, hey, if you were to meet me you'd prolly not unnerstand nuthin' I was sayin'... Oh sure, I got another hat and can put it on and sound like other folks but when I don't gotta do it I sure nuff don't... My friend's wife like my accent and, tell ya the truth, when I get it going... I drives the womenz crazy. I mean, sho nuff crazy... Ain't no fake... Fake is what I do when I gotta go play "smart hillbilly" which is kinda like when others fake a British accent to sound intellegenter... Maybe its good that we didn't hook up 'er we'd be'd deevorcerated a long time ago.... Yo, Shat.... You really do that wid the auto pilot on??? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: GUEST,William Shatner Date: 01 Aug 04 - 09:54 PM What do women want? Aha! A subject dear to my heart. My years in the entertainment business have taught me everything there is to know about this, but should I share ALL my secrets? Perhaps not... I'll say this much. Women want to be appreciated. They want to feel beautiful, valuable, and desirable. They want to be that one special person that you care for above all others, the one you dream of, the one you can't imagine being without, the one for whom you would swim across a raging river full of ravening crocodiles. Dramatic, isn't it? (grin) The trick is...you either actually feel this way (which can happen)...or...you get darned good at faking it! It would be safe to say that I have done both of the above, but I am not going to specify the instances or tally up the totals. No siree. Why? Because another thing women want is a man who is a bit enigmatic, a bit mysterious, yet willing to share his feelings at the same time. If you can't really BE sincere, by golly ACT sincere! Go for the Oscar. It's showtime! If caught in a flagrant bit of dishonesty or unfaithfullness...deny! If that doesn't work apologize and beg for forgiveness. Women love a good, heartfelt apology. If even that doesn't work, shrug and grin...there's a lot more fish in the sea. Women also want a man who demonstrates independence and self-confidence, not to mention an inclination to spend money freely and have a good time. Women detest a penny-pincher, and who doesn't? So my advice is, find a way to earn big bucks, dress well, entertain lavishly, travel to exotic locations, have fun, and always keep her guessing just a bit. Making love in a private plane that's flying on autopilot works great too. I got that one from Howard Hughes. Drives 'em wild. Is it all worth it? You bet it is! What's better at the end of a long life...a bank account full of unspent money or a hall full of hundreds of weeping ex-lovers who remember you as the best time they ever had? No contest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Amergin Date: 01 Aug 04 - 09:34 PM well, Bobert, just remember that your wife...uh I mena your friend's wife is always right....if you keep that in mind you, uh I mena your friend, will be fine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: mg Date: 01 Aug 04 - 08:32 PM Sit her down and tell her that you want her to be happy and you want to be supportive but you didn't appreciate being nagged and/or threatened. You have a right to go to the bathroom, and you have a right to sufficient rest for your needs, which might not be the same as her needs. You have a right to hire work out if it is too much for either of you. I'll say something, if you used that fake accent on me more than once...oh I shouldn't say fake..but if it is fake and you used it it would drive me up the wall. If you are pulling your weight, and it certainly sounds like you are, you might have just married a demanding, unreasonable woman. There are plenty. People who have the choice, stay clear or marry with full knowledge of what the future could be. And men and women are thought to have different responses to coming home, for evolutionary reasons. Men really want to relax once they hit the door and make sure everything is safe (and drop all keys, packages etc. at the door so arms are free to fight any intruders). Women might see the home as their base of operations, as opposed to the wild world, regardless of how engaged they are outside the home. There is a whole book I read on this subject. Can't remember what it was though. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: GUEST,casual observer Date: 01 Aug 04 - 05:48 PM Meow! Thwaaaaaacccccckkkkk! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Bobert Date: 01 Aug 04 - 05:32 PM Well, gol danged... Maybe too much advice fir this Wes Ginny to process... Well, I'm sure my friend knows exactly what needs to be done and I'll be the first to say that he works his boney butt off 'round the house and in the gardens and vaccums and dusts an plays some fine music fir his wife on the rear deck in the evening. He's even good lookin', 'er that's what my friend's wife says... Heck, don't don nuthin' fir me... But now really... Here's how I, I mean my friend, reacted and, sure it was prolly all wrong and all but he said "Hey, I ain't no mind reader. All ya gotta do is ask but don't go gettin' mad 'cause I didn't guess what you wanted done and therefore didn't do it." Well, somethin' like that. Bad answer? Hunh? Not sensitive enuff? Hmmmmm? Hey, when ya been away fri a danged 4 days and ya get home there's always lots of stuff to do. Like unpack the car, which I, I mean my friend still had to do during this little altercation. Like get the danged cricks out of the bad knee from driving all day. Like go to the bathroom, fir gosh sakes... But, no, not home a minute and this...???... Well, I reckon the "mind reader" thing musta worked okay 'cause my frined and my wife, I mean me and my friend's wife are getting along much better now... But I know this is gonna come up again so I want to be better prepared next time 'round... And other that warm and fuzzy sensitive stuff there must be some common nugget of truth that you womenz ain't tellin' 'cause I know fir a fact that you all have a vast female conspiracy aginst us poor ignorant men and are all swored to secrecy... That's the way I heared it anyway... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: freda underhill Date: 01 Aug 04 - 12:31 PM what does your friend want, Bobert? let her know - to be spoken to with courtesy, as I'm sure you..r friend speaks to his woman. to be treated with respect. if your friend's gal likes giving orders - tell her to join the army. anti female? nup, its just that Ive been on the receiving end of the orders, and its a pain. democracy starts in the house. the personal is political. all two people need to make it work are interestd in common, similar intellect, and courtesy. neither has the right to assume the mantle of Colonel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Georgiansilver Date: 01 Aug 04 - 11:21 AM Seem to remember saying that myself on another thread. Best wishes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: jacqui.c Date: 01 Aug 04 - 10:44 AM GS - I don't think I've got much chance of becoming big headed - there are so many very clever people on Mudcat who keep me well grounded. As my man says - nobody's opinions are wrong, even if you don't agree with them. We all have our own individual point of view, based on life experience and, since that is always different for everyone, we are all going to have a different take on some things! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Georgiansilver Date: 01 Aug 04 - 10:36 AM jacqui.c...getting to like you! You show a pretty good grasp on the man/woman thing but don't get too bigheaded, I don't always agree with what you say. Best wishes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: katlaughing Date: 01 Aug 04 - 10:23 AM No one gnereally has to ask we women to do what needs doing. It'd be nice not to have to ask men to do what needs doing. It'd be even nicer if one did not have to repeat oneself 2-3 times when we do ask, as we've been told "all you have to do is ask!" Most importantly LISTEN!! Both o'youse! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: jacqui.c Date: 31 Jul 04 - 06:56 PM From a personal point of view I want to be treated as an individual rather than as a woman. I want, and have, a man who doesn't make me feel that I need to be 'looked after', provided for or treated like an alien from another planet. For me a partnership has to be on the basis that we both bring different things to the mix and acknowledge that each of us is able to contribute to that mix in their own way. The key is communication. So many people seem to be unable to talk about what ails them in their relationship to the person that matters most - their partner. Maybe if they were a little less afraid of what an honest discussion of the issues involved might do to the relationship and a little more concerned with what NOT discussing those issues might lead to life might be just a little more relaxed. And Sue - believe me - Kendall is one of the few men I have met who DOESN'T treat a woman like a stage prop. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: GUEST,peedeecee Date: 31 Jul 04 - 06:09 PM Things that women "want" done are usually those that "need" doing, but then it's a matter of perspective. I'm sure some bachelors think their apartments are just fine they way they are! ;) I think women today are getting what they want, at least in the industrialized world. When I was a kid, women had no or few choices --teacher, nurse, secretary, or little jobettes to hold them till they married. No credit for what they did. Little money for what they did. Worked harder than hell as housewives, and people viewed them as being "supported" by their husbands. Like all people, women wanted choices, and we now have some. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Deckman Date: 31 Jul 04 - 06:09 PM ANY man that would respond to this thread would have to be a complete IDIOT. So ... I'm not going to respond to this thread. I mean, after all, what do you take me for ... a complete idiot? CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: freightdawg Date: 31 Jul 04 - 05:47 PM Mrs. Freightdawg: Honey, can you take out the trash? Freightdawg:(watching football game on tv) Sure. (hours go by) Mrs. Freightdawg: Hey, I thought you said you would take out the trash like I asked you to! Freightdawg: Nope, you asked if I could take out the trash. It was a question about my physical ability to perform a simple task. I responded in the affirmative, stating that, yes, I was physically able to take out the trash. You never asked me if I would take out the trash. There is a significant difference. Freightdawg is last seen rummaging in the trash can for his tv remote control. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Amos Date: 31 Jul 04 - 04:41 PM Women want excitement; they love to gamble, but rather than gamble with money, they place their stakes on marriage partners. And like all gamblers, they want to win, and if possible to win BIG. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: GUEST,Kendall Date: 31 Jul 04 - 04:22 PM Sue, I did not get indignant, I simply noted that there was no reaction at all. I might well have said "You knickers are on fire." These robots that work in grocery stores, the young ones, seem to have no sense of humor and they don't appreciate anyone trying to cheer them up.Maybe I should act like other men my age and just give them grief. Peedeecee, actually, women see things that THEY WANT DONE. You hear it all the time, "You need to pick up your room" or "You need to put your socks in the hamper". What they really mean is "I need you to".. etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: GUEST,peedeecee Date: 31 Jul 04 - 03:49 PM "What do women want"? A famous historical question that men have asked each other through the ages. Freud is the most famed for the query, although many other well-known men have discussed that question for centuries. Let's have a good look at the question. There are several implications in it, i.e., that it's men asking the question, that whatever it is that "they" (other) want, "we" (the norm) will give it to them if we agree with it, that women, being generic, all must want the same thing. There is a sense of frustration in the question, i.e., we don't understand them, what the hell do they want? Although Freud was the most famous for asking this question, it has been discussed by men in groups for centuries; it has been the subject of cartoons, jokes, studies, theories, etc. etc. etc. It has been resolved by recourse to the womb (Victorian era, male doctors), the "burden" of education on women, the natural fragility, both physical and mental, of women, and the tendency to hysteria (Greek hyster- meaning womb). No one has ever asked "what do men want"? For one thing, it has never been necessary, and for another, no one would lump all men into one set of wants, identical for all. The one common aspect of this question, if I'm not mistaken, is that despite the long centuries it's been asked, despite the wise minds that have asked it, despite the discussions invoked, not once has this question been addressed to women. Idiocy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Deda Date: 31 Jul 04 - 03:38 PM Actually, any woman who has ever had sovereignty over a man will tell you that it is a horrible position to be in. That's true regardless of gender. What if someone else says to you, "You are now in charge of me entirely -- all my dreams and aspirations, my actions, my will, my ambitions are in your hands." Well, YUCH. Gag me with a scepter! What kind of a partnership is THAT? Give me a free-standing, free-thinking, separate individual any time! Now, having all control over the guy's worldly goods -- well, that's a different proposition entirely!! Bobert, here's a script for you. Translate it into your own native Wess Ginny language and memorize it: "Oh, sweetheart! I am really sorry that I didn't water that garden for you. You were probably counting on me to do that, and now the veggies are all dry. What a bummer for you! You must have felt (frustrated / irritated / angry -- pick one or insert your own). I know how much you love that garden. Now, is it taken care of, because I can run out right now (or in 20 minutes, whatever) and do it. And let's figure out a good reminder system so that I don't forget next time." Even in translation, this should not take more than 5 minutes to deliver. I offer you this peace-making speech for free -- and it comes with an iron-clad, money-back guarantee that it WILL WORK -- 100%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Nerd Date: 31 Jul 04 - 02:58 PM Oh, and Chaucer's version: "Women desire to have sovereignty over her husband as well as her lover and for to be in mastery above him." (Lines 1038-1040, Wife of Bath's Tale) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Nerd Date: 31 Jul 04 - 02:49 PM MAG, I'm afraid I must argue THAT story with you. Where you go wrong is that the answer was not one word. It was encompassed in a number of passages, which make it clear that it is the sovereignty over men that is desired. The two relevant passages of the most complete text, The Wedding of Sir Gawain and Dame Ragnell are lines 467-472: I say no more, but above all things women desire sovereignty, for that is their liking and that is their most desire to have the rule of the manliest men and then are they well. Thus they me did ken [ie teach] to rule thee, Gromer Sir. and lines 697-698: and also he should give me the sovereignty of all his body and goods, surely (The translations from Middle English above are mine, but I used modern cognates so the changes are primarily to the spelling of words). In the ballad version (Child 31), she is said only to want "her will," which is an ironic "trick answer" ("her will" merely means "what she wants," so the riddle becomes a tautology, "she wants what she wants.") It is often a characteristic in stories containing "neck riddles" (a riddle which you must answer or be killed) that the answer is some kind of trick. Were you thinking of other versions of this tale, MAG? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: GUEST,SueB Date: 31 Jul 04 - 01:52 PM Oh for goodness sake, Bobert, get your self-absorbed head out of your friend's butt - wait a minute, I mean get your friend's self absorbed head out of your butt and - wait, no, that wasn't right either... Look, you and your friend both, if you're typical middle-aged men you're probably walking around treating this woman like she's some kind of stage prop in the drama that is Your Life. (And the older men are, the worse they are - an example would be Kendall, bless his heart, getting all indignant when the grocery store checkout clerk didn't fall to her knees gasping with laughter at his tired old joke about the price of groceries that she's heard several hundred times before...) Bobert, dear, I love you to pieces, but if your wife is acting like something is wrong, and you don't know what it is, you probably haven't been paying attention. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: GUEST,pedeecee Date: 31 Jul 04 - 01:31 PM You have to go back to Bobert's initial thread and see what the situation was when the wife got mad. They had just arrived home from vacation. What was she doing -- unpacking? Preparing dinner? Doing other chores? And what was he doing? Chores? Scratching his belly and saying ahhhh, good to be home? Drinking beer? Hitting the hammock? The other aspect of the situation involves the money thing -- he with 90%, her with 10%. It's unfortunate, it stinks, but it's reality that money calls the shots. If you look at her garden in terms of cost and profit only, why bother watering it? Why should Mr. big 90% water it? Also, notice another poster suggests "take her" shopping for shoes. Money thing again -- he gets to "take" her shopping. I don't know one woman who would not prefer to have the financial autonomy to make her own decisions on whether or when to shop shoes or anything else. One final, rather unpleasant note. Men and women seem to see things differently -- selectively? Women see what needs to be done, IMO; men don't, and teenagers don't. End of lecture. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Jul 04 - 01:05 PM Now that sounds sensible to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: CarolC Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:45 PM Oh, man. Not Schenectady. Watch out, Bobert! Don't let her send you to Schenectady! Seriously though, all of those kinds of situations happen in relationships, and that kind of behavior is not gender specific. It's people specific. People have behavior patterns that are not always constructive, and that they usually aren't even aware of (including your friend). And those patterns, when they intrude into a relationship (as they will, if they aren't corrected), cause friction, as you have shown us yourself in the story of your friend. It has nothing whatever to do with what women want and everything to do with the specific, counterproductive behavior patterns that your friend's wife brought into the relationship. The only way your friend can change the dynamic of the relationship with regard to those patterns, is to respond in a way that doesn't reinforce the behavior. Your friend needs to break the pattern by responding in a new way that his wife doesn't already have a programmed response to, that is emotionally neutral rather than emotionally charged, and most importantly, that doesn't reinforce the behavior. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: GUEST,first things first Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:40 PM what she really wants is an orgasm. Install an automatic sprinkler system in the garden and spend some time with her! drip lines are wonderful time savers. is her "wasband" gone? or dead? i hope you had a wonderful time on your vacation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: GUEST Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:27 PM when one partner starts ordering another one around, its not a relationship. Its a hierarchy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???... From: kendall Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:12 PM 10 to 1 it wasn't really about the friggin' garden. Question, why is it vital that HE water the garden? Is she in a cheelchair? |
