BS: Talk about body sugar levels anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Talk about body sugar levels anyone?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 04:30 AM

Latest update1 Cycled 15 minutes on the road this morning. Came back with a pulse of 120:-) I will stop posting updates after my next weigh in this weekend...

Couple of things I have remembered and realised on re-reads. I have no axe to gring at all againsy poor old Dr Atkins. Having read his book I think he is greatly mis-represented as he does not say carbs have to be avoided. It is only the first 2 weeks that they are minimal to 'get over the addiction' as he says. Said before - didn't work for me but lots swear by it.

Where me and Dr A. or any other diet prescribers are at odds is with the 'cut out [enter the diets bugbear]' statements. Nothing, absoloultely nothing, should ever be cut out of a lifestyle unless it is doing you serious harm. If you want to eat potatos, eat potatos. If you want a bacon sandwich, have a bacon sandwich. If you want a beer, have a beer. AND THEN QUIT WHILE YOU ARE AHEAD:-) Don't carry on doing it until it becomes harmful. It's hard at times (look at my self confesed lapses!) but it works.

The other thing mentioned earlier is the GI - Glycemic Index. I have found this invaluable. Even the little quirks! Did you know, for instance, that chips (fries to all but the UK!) have a lower GI than other types of cooked potato? Why? because of the fat content! The fat slows the absorbtion. Armed with this knowledge you can eat chips - But remember that that is you fat for that meal as well! So - fries don't go with the burger. They are INSTEAD of:-)

Feeling better by the day

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Talk about body sugar levels anyone?
From: mg
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 11:58 AM

If the healthiest vegetables and whole grains were grown in filthy disgusting conditions, what is wrong? The food itself or the conditions it is grown in? We absolutely need to change the conditions our meat and dairy comes from...and that means we should be prepared to pay more, perhaps quite a bit more, for food raised properly. It doesn't mean we shouldn't produce it and eat it under healthy conditions. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Talk about body sugar levels anyone?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 12:17 PM

Right. But producing it under healthy conditions takes more space and costs more money. It cuts into the profit margin.

Truth be told, growing most of our produce is just as hard on the environment as our meat. Huge monoculture fields, pesticides, chemical fertilizers, polluted water, loss of top soil.

We'd be much better off if more people grew their own produce, if more people hunted their own meat, and ate food in season or learned to can for the offseason, and not waste billions every year moving tons of food from one side of the planet to the other just so we can have fresh peaches and strawberries in winter and oranges in the middle of the summer. It tastes like cardboard anyway if it was picked so early to still be viable when it gets to market. If people hunted their own meat, they'd learn to cook more cuts of meat more ways instead of "cherry picking" the finest cuts and letting the rest go to dogfood.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Talk about body sugar levels anyone?
From: mg
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 01:03 AM

LilyFestre...what is this about no borderline diabetes --strictly an either/or thing? How do you define diabetes? I define it as a process that is probably (I am talking about type II) ongoing for decades before a capacity is reached and higher blood sugar levels are reached. But even then it is a continuum for many people..maybe not everyone..some probably go from 100 to whatever overnight..but I suspect most people from 110, to 111....eto to 130, 135, 140...and some arbitrary point is picked and the person is called diabetic..what am I missing here? mg

Subject: RE: BS: Talk about body sugar levels anyone?
From: LilyFestre
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 07:52 AM

Your body has the ability to process sugars effectively or it doesn't...there really is no middle ground. See?

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Talk about body sugar levels anyone?
From: mg
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 11:47 AM

Not at all. Perhaps you have 50% efficiency, or 25% or 10%...I have never heard anyone ever state it was all or nothing. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Talk about body sugar levels anyone?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 12:39 PM

Diabetes treatment involves a process of constant monitoring because of all of those faulty fluctions in the body's processing of sugars. Otherwise, you'd just go to the ultimate worst-case-scenario treatment and stay there, right?

To revisit one aspect of the thread earlier, there is a lot in the news this week about dangers of the Atkins diet. I won't post the article, just the link.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Talk about body sugar levels anyone?
From: GUEST,Anne Croucher
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 09:27 PM

I just went to the 'dangers of Atkins diet' article.

The things it says about the benefits of the diet are all true as far as I know, and you might think they should be calling it a good thing - but the description what the diet involves is not right.

You might find my earlier comments abraisive and unpleasant - but there are so many lies being presented as facts that I feel justified in pointing out rather forcefully that reading the books is essential. On the diet as described people could become very ill.

The amount of carbohydrate allowed per day is 30gm, equal to one small potato it says. What rubbish.

Today I have eaten half an onion, half a sweet pepper, mushrooms - didn't count, maybe 8, two tomatoes, 5 oz of lean steak, 4 oz of chicken, and 10 oz of mixed green salad a couple of eggs and some cheese, with olive oil and lemon juice. I then added a few small boiled new potatoes from the family dinner, as I have already lost 2 lb this week so I must eat a few ounces of denser carbohydrate vegetables and tomorrow I'll probably have to add an apple as well.

Is that what you'd expect from what the media tells you is the Atkins diet?

I eat everything either fresh or, if suitable, buy it fresh and keep it in the freezer for a few days until needed. It feels like a really healthy diet. I don't get headaches, and as for all the dire consequences predicted - I can't remember when I felt as well, to be truthful. Not just OK, really well.

Anyone into regular exercise can eat rather more than I do - I eat about 50 gm of carb on a normal day, regular exercisers are suposed to eat up to 90 gm in ongoing weight loss mode. Anyone not as overweight as I am should not lose as much as I do, but I want to take some pressure off my knee joints, they ache in the damp weather.

Anne

Subject: RE: BS: Talk about body sugar levels anyone?
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 03:11 AM

is this a diabetic dietetic dielectic ?

Subject: RE: BS: Talk about body sugar levels anyone?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 01:28 PM

Had a cooked breakfast in Asda today as we were out shopping early. Then, after shopping went into Mancheste rto walk round the European market - Had 3 bits of 'Tapas' and a glass (well - plastic cup) of Rioja. Gets back about tea time to a call from Mother inviting us to the pub for a meal to celebrate her birthday tomorrow! Not looking good for the weigh in but every intention of eating sensibly and having no more than 4 units:-)

Having a jog(ish) in the morning. I will post after that and let you know.

Cheers

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Talk about body sugar levels anyone?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 05:34 AM

Definitely more than 4 units - About 7 or 8 by my reckoning. Had swordfish steak in a wonderful coriander sauce with new potatos and veg. Managed a good 3 mins fast slouch this morning so building up nicely. I always do 5 minutes warm up on the fixed bike first btw and then walk back as a cool down.

Weigh in? ... 205lbs! 1 less than last week so guess something must be right:-) Anyroads - Thats it from me on this thread (unless anyone wants to really rattle my cage;-0 )Hope to post in about 6 months saying I have kept it up and am down to my ideal weight. We can but hope...

Cheers

DtG