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Subject: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: Alonzo M. Zilch (inactive)
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 04:58 PM

Just back from surfing the new folk releases at Amazon.com and saw that Bill Staines has a new CD coming out next week and that one of the songs is Bruce Murdoch's "Rompin' Rovin' Days." The 30-second sound clip sounded good.

Bruce Murdoch is known as "Brucie" at Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: freda underhill
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 05:18 PM

i for one will be wanting a copy of this CD!

freda


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: DonMeixner
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 07:38 PM

I have heard him do this song concert once or twice. It is about time Rompin' Rovin' Days got a new turn. I have been singing it now for more than 35 years. And everytime I do it or hear someone else sing it is like an instant transport back to a time when I was hearing all these great songs for the first time.
That to me is the mark an power of a great song.

Don


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: Peace
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 08:09 PM

Hello, Don. A 'catter made me aware of this thread, so I thought I'd add my two cents worth. Specifically to you, because you mentioned a year ago that you played the song, and it made this ol' boy feel pretty good at the time.

I wrote it when I had just turned 17 in NYC. Gil Turner is responsible for the reference to San Marcos. I was working at Gerdes Folk City as the MC--a job I got because Mike Porko (the owner) felt sorry for me I think. It was winter and I had no jacket. He gave me a suede jacket that I held onto for three years until my sister cut it up to make me a tobacco pouch for my birthday. Anyway, I was stuck for a three-syllable town somewhere in the other end of the US, and he popped that one to me. I had destroyed about 398 of 400 songs I'd written to that point in my life. Songwriters will understand that every song is good when new, but often, just days later, ya realize that the song has one good line or nothing but a phrase to hang the rest on and therefore it's really a piece of junk. Someone suggested that alliteration could be a good thing in songs and RRD was an exercise in that. I was playing a Favilla nylon-string guitar then, and using a thumb and forefinger "Travis" picking. I had yet to learn any other, and that was self-taught while learning Dylan's "Don't Think Twice" when I was about 14 in Montreal.

I got a recording deal with Elektra, thanks to Jacob R Solman and Jac Holzman. The publishing was with Nina Music at Elektra also. I don't really recall much about writing the song other than I had hung around freight yards in Montreal as a kid and jumped the odd flatcar in the CN yards. I recall being awed by NYC and I remember how bloody cold it was. That was near the Christmas Day I wound up homeless and feeling very sorry for myself. I had a face full of acne and the contract with Elektra resulted in my having to write four songs within a week to audition and subsequently record.

IMO, although I'm very flattered that you have sung the song, it's such early work for me that I can't recall the words--telling you the truth on that. I have never been to San Marcos, and truthfully I had never heard of it until Gil told me the name. I will mention that I think Gil Turner was a dynamite performer and guitar player, and he taught me lots about how to 'be' on stage and how to warm up a 'house' for the acts that followed. Delicate balance between getting the audience settled down and not ever trying to outdo the main act. (I never could have outdone Gil--although in those days I think I called him Mr Turner; I know I thought of him that way. He told me to call him Gil, and I said, "I sure will, Mr Turner.")

I am honoured that Bill Staines has done the song. He is an exceptional interpreter of songs and a wonderful writer/performer. I have sat in more than a few audiences and listened to him. Wow! Even his 'bad' sets are good. I learned lots from him too.

Thanks to AMZ for atarting this thread. I feel quite humbled. And if anyone listens to the song and decides to call me to account for the writing, please know that it was done 40 years ago, and there IS a statute of limitations on many crimes that are worse than that one.

Bruce Murdoch


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: pdq
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 08:42 PM

"And now, Bruce Murdoch will sing a medley of his hit."


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 08:51 PM

Congratulations, Bruce! The things we learn on the Mudcat!


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 09:51 PM

brucie, I've been reading about you on the 'net. I'd love to hear you.

IDEA: I would love to read musical bios of the mudcatters we have on the 'Cat. Just off the top of my head- there's Bruce Murdock, Frank Hamilton, Seamus Kennedy, Jed Marum, Clinon Hammond, Justa Picker, Harvey Andrews and so many, many more. Wouldn't it be great to hear how careers began and proceeded, the triumphs and difficulties and goals and the inevitable stinging lessons from out of the blue?

And then mixed in with the others, it would be lovely to read what people are doing, what their music means to them (Why We Sing, Jeri!) goals realiz(s)ed and goals unmet...

(pdq, when your hit comes out, I'll buy it too- I hope it won't be rap.)


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: Peace
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 09:59 PM

pdq is my friend, and we have a back and forth that may seem strange to some people, but friends we are.

My life has been fairly boring as lives go, so I don't think it would be all that interesting to read about. However, I'd like to know about many of the people you mentioned, Ebbie. That is a wonderful idea.

BM


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: robomatic
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 10:24 PM

Congratulations brucie!

"All God's critters got a place in the choir!"


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 10:39 PM

Wow, Brucie.

I've communicated with someone famous!

Cool!


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: DonMeixner
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 10:57 PM

Bruce,

Since we are about the same age I guess I heard it about when you wrote it.
   I was a small town kid growing up in small town in New York State. I was thrilled to find some words by a guy my own age who I thought had the same thoughts I had about civil rights, being on the road, and who was actually writing and singing songs. I looked up San Marcos in the atlas in school library and found about 40 of them and they were all south of me.
   The civil rights movement was in full swing and I had heard all the big guys songs about Goodman and Schwerner and Chaney and the church bombing and the dogs and the dangerous men with hoods and guns. Tom Paxton was hero then as was Phil Ochs. But they were all older than me. It was special to hear good, meaningful songs from some one my own age.
   Peggy Seeger said in a concert that she didn't believe in writing only from personal experience. She said you don't have to be an abused wife to understand what abuse is and write songs about it. I guess back then I imagined you hadn't been to the San Marcos of song but I didn't care. And I don't care now. Good songs don't care where they come from.
   Thanks for the history, thanks for the song. It will be little more special to me now everytime I sing it.

Don


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 12:58 AM

I've always liked the song as well. Glad Bill is covering it. I liked Jamie Brockett's version too.


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: Nerd
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 01:11 AM

Congratulations, Brucie! It's great that your song is still touching people all these years later!


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: Mark Ross
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 09:15 AM

Congratulations Bruce. It's always nice when that sort of thing happens unexpectedly. ROMPIN' ROVIN' DAYS has always been one of my favorites. I just strted singing it again after many years.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: GUEST,Mike Regenstreif
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 09:53 AM

I'll be playing Bill Staines' version of "Rompin' Rovin' Days" along with a couple of other Bruce Murdoch's songs, by Penny Lang and Bruce himself, on this Thursday morning's edition of Folk Roots/Folk Branches on CKUT in Montreal.

You can hear the live stream, or get the archived show for two months afterward, from Folk Roots/Folk Branches.

Having been friends with both Bruce and Bill for 30-something years, I'm thrilled with this new recording.

Mike Regenstreif


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 10:37 AM

along with a couple of other Bruce Murdoch's songs...who knew? Bruce, you've been so quiet about this side of you!**bg** WOuld love to hear more about these!


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: Peace
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 01:00 PM

Wow! Thank ALL of you very much for the words of encouragement. Music was a life I left behind in 1980, and although I have continued to write, I never had hopes that anything would be picked up by people. I recently found out that Penny Lang has recorded "Come Across" and that Richie Havens has been doing "Let's Lay Down Our Drums" (an anti-war song) in his concert performances. Years ago Bill Garrett and Sharon Ryan released a copy of "If I Had Wings" and a few other pieces of material have been done by folks in various music genres. I have had a few people message me to inform me of these things and it makes me feel pretty good about having put about 20 years of my life into music and song writing.

Before I get all teary and runny-nosed, I'll get off this thread. I am hoping to do one more thing in music before I shuffle off this mortal coil, and maybe with a bit of luck I will within the next two years. We'll see. However, thanks very much for your kind words. I am very grateful to y'all.

Bruce M


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: Alonzo M. Zilch (inactive)
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 08:38 PM

Mike,

I'm looking forward to hearing you play those Bruce Murdoch songs tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: Musicman
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 07:29 PM

Brucie..

heard bill sing that song of yours last night... great song.. i think i'll be adding it to my repertoire...
had a great visit with him yesterday/today... always a good time talking/singing .. oh yeah.. and drinking...

MM


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 11:20 PM

Musicman,

I am flattered by your remark above. I am happy Bill did it--and that you are considering doing so. Lets me keep in touch with a few folks and helps make an old fart (that's me) feel pretty good. Thank you.

Bruce M


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Subject: RE: Bill Staines sings Brucie
From: open mike
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:28 AM

best wishes with the royalties@!@
may they roll in!!


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