BS: October Surprise?

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 11 Sep 04 - 07:13 PM

Argus:

Seems to me Terrorism will not be defeated because it's a tactic, not an army, a nation, or even a political belief.

Will propaganda be defeated? Will spreading rumors? Will theft?

clint

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 06:38 PM

WMD's can be found in the US. Do you think that Bush might invade? :)

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 10:03 PM

There was an odd discussion between two men on Fox Channel this morning. They were talking about last week's big peculiar cloud on the North Korean/China border that has only now been publicly reported.

The host of the show - and I don't know who it is; I'm housesitting and watching my friend's television - said something like, 'Maybe this is something like the October Surprise the Democrats keep talking about? Maybe North Korea perceives this action as somehow helping the Democrats get into office?'

Curiouser and curiouser.

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 10:13 PM

Huh? What Democrat ordered a mushroom cloud? And how does this help or jurt someone in the elections? I goota watch more FOX, I'm missin' sumthin'.

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 10:50 PM

Exactly. But I don't advise watching Fox too often- it does weird things to one's perceptions. Alice in Wonderland stuff.

I also saw part of 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth'. Bizarre.

I'm better off reading text rather than listening to the talking heads.

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 10:52 PM

GROK, et al.

I read your posts and have to say that as a Canadian, you can rest easy about either tanks in Canada or the US going bankrupt. Our Gross National Product (GNP) is so large that we pay for our entire military forces in 22 days and paid for the Iraq expenditures to date in another 20 some days. And please understand that all of that is not lost money, going for salaries to be spent in the States, companies that provide goods and services (like the hated Haliburton (sp?)) and sub contractors on everything from food, to the equally hated military-industrial complex. It's funny to watch the legislators, fight like hell to prevent the military spending bills, and then fight like hell to get the money spent in their districts.

As we now know about the false papers being posted on CBS as proof of Bush not deserving his discharge, I think that Pat Caddell, the famous Democratic pollster had it right when he said that if any Democrat is invoved with these papers, Kerry will lose the election.

We may have already had our October Suprise a little early this year...

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 12:23 AM

"Our Gross National Product (GNP) is so large that we pay for our entire military forces in 22 days and paid for the Iraq expenditures to date in another 20 some days."

I don't understand your calculation. How do we apply 42 days worth of GNP to those expenses? I don't believe the GNP goes into a federal fund, does it? Won't there be a lot of capitalists bitching if it does? Even if it's only for six weeks?

clint

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 17 Sep 04 - 12:42 PM

While you all have been waiting for the October surprise, the September surprise happens right under your eyes without you realising that this is only another sinister coup.

I speak about the hurricane(s).

Before the last election the defending chancellor trailed by twenty points two months before the election. Then came the big flood and he showed a display of strength and determination (we say: a disaster is always the hour of the executive) and won by the skin of his teeth. This was so surprising (and against all predictions and polls) that we have joked about which German land will have to be flooded next time to secure his reelection.

Carl Rove has learned from that. And while you all wait for Osama (with clever hints by the government) they have staged a 'natural' disaster to show the president at his best.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Sep 04 - 03:47 PM

You mean that's why Bush's lot have been so keen to stymie any efforts to avert global warming?

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:44 AM

Yes, the Bilderberg group needs the money to do secret research how to control the weather.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 02:49 PM

HAARP

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 10:42 AM

refresh

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Songwronger
Date: 12 Sep 12 - 11:21 PM

Searched for October Surprise threads and found 4-5. Decided to refresh this one after 6 years.

The October Surprise is something the candidates for U.S. president cook up to help their chances at the last minute before the election in November. We could see some late-game mudslinging along those lines, but I'm more concerned about what might happen in Israel.

Netanyahu's up for re-election in October, and he's even less popular than Obama, if that's possible. He'll lose, and then he'll face charges for various crimes he's committed as Prime Minister. His only chance of avoiding prison is to remain PM. So I think we might see Israel do something silly like attack Iran really, really soon.

An interesting wrinkle--the Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Martin Dempsey, recently met with Netanyahu and told him America wouldn't back Israel's aggression. Can you imagine how Netanyahu felt? He's got to attack Iran to avoid jail, but what good would an attack do if retalliation killed him like a rat in his bunker? Netanyahu was accustomed to pushing around Dempsey's prececessor, Richard Myers, but Dempsey has a backbone.

And then an attempt was made on Dempsey's life. At Bagram Air Force Base, in Afghanistan. After he met with Netanyahu. Bagram AFB is the most secure real estate in the world. The news media is claiming that Dempsey's plane was bombed by the Taliban, but do you know how impossible that would be? They didn't catch anyone, so that would be two separate operations--first to get INTO the base for the attack, then to get OUT of the base when the friggin' Chairman of the Joint Chief's plane just got blown up! And they didn't catch anyone. But the news sources are saying the Taliban did it.

My money's on Netanyahu. He wants someone he can manipulate in that position.

Maybe you've all seen the stories about the "bunker busters" the U.S. sold to Israel. 30,000 pound bombs that can penetrate and explode far underground. And we're being told that Iran has nuclear facilities underground. The bunker busters are a cover story. Israel can only conquer Iran if they use tactical nukes, but that would leave radiation signatures. Enter the news media reporting that the bunker busters did their job and blew up nuclear facilities deep underground (See, we TOLD you they had dangerous nuclear plants), and that's the reason for the radiation in the war zone.

So when Dempsey said no to Netanyahu, he also said not to Israel's weasly plan to nuke Iran.

At any rate, Netanyahu going insane in October is a distinct possibility.

Anyone want to speculate on what our October Surprise might be this year?

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Sep 12 - 11:44 PM

Yeah. I'm worried about something along the same general line. I regard Netanyahu as the single craziest and most dangerous national leader in the world at the present time, and I think he's capable of anything. Your assertion about the use of tactical nukes connected with the supposed use of the bunker busting bombs is an angle that I had not considered, though.

If such action is taken, it may very well end in a Third World War by way of Russian and/or Chinese intervention and USA intervention. If so, I doubt it will happen in one day, but through a series of escalating actions and reactions by the various world powers and regional powers who have interests in that area.

The Government of Canada, by the way, mysteriously suspended diplomatic relations with Iran on the weekend, and I regard that as a danger sign, because absolutely nothing has occurred recently to cause such a punitive move by Canada. The Iranians haven't done anything new lately that would prompt Canada to suspend relations. Because of that, I think the people at the top of the Canadian government know something they're not telling the public about. In other words, they are expecting a war to break out very soon between Iran and Israel...or Iran and several western countries. I think the present prime minister of Canada, Conservative Stephen Harper, would back Israel to the hilt even if they exterminated every last person in Iran and drank toasts to the slaughter in human blood. I think he's probably acting ahead of time and suspending diplomatic relations with Iran in order to prepare for something he already knows is coming.

And...I hope I'm wrong about that. If I'm not, the world is heading for a very, very bad time.

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 01:07 AM

I hope too that you are wrong about that, Little Hawk. In the uncertainty we're already living in,the escalation of wars is something we don't need.

I just thought of the Israel's 6-day War. I don't remember if we regarded that as worrisome for world stability. On the other hand, WWI started with a fairly minor assassination and escalated from there.

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 08:17 AM

Benghazi

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 09:15 AM

Romney caught in a motel room doing what the preacher-man told him not to do???

Nah...

But that would qualify as an October Surprise...

I think the worse of the October Surprises was in '68 when Humphrey was running on stopping the bombing in Vietnam and 3 weeks before the election LBJ threw Humphrey under the bus bu ordering that the bombing be stopped therefore taking one of HHH's sticks away from him...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 09:31 AM

Carl Bernstein, (Co-author of Watergate's "All The President's Men"), just published his book, titled, "The Price of Politics" in which he has interviewed the President himself. In the book, you will find MUCH of what myself and Little Hawk, and a few others have been telling you all along!
Also, in the book, Obama admits to Carl Bernstein, that his economic policies have been "a failure" (his words, not mine).
The only real question is...Was this deliberate?

Time for BOTH sides of the 'political partisan game' participants to wake up, forget the crap you've been fed, and look deeper, and see the real controllers of the divisions, and ask, "To what end were we misled by the people we thought we trusted?"...and "Why?"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 10:15 AM

But I'm gonna go on record of predictin' another 9-11 event in just over a year becuase the Repubs will be in desperate need for one and if they are goina stand any chance of holding the White House, after this dismal 8 years of theivery and lies, they can't do it without another 9/11... Keep in mind that the week before 9/11 Bush had the lowest approval rating of any president since such polls have been taken....

So that's my prediction... Sad... but I'm sticken by it...

Bobert

"Because of these ups and downs, Bush's 49% approval average for his presidency will rank him in the middle of the pack (7th of 11) of post-World War II presidents. His average to-date of 49.4% is similar to Richard Nixon's 49.1% but slightly better than Harry Truman's and Jimmy Carter's historical lows below 46%."

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 10:25 AM

Hey Sawzaw...ever noticed how the last few elections are always 51/49.. or within a close margin..always making it look close?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 10:31 AM

I heard Bernstein being interviewed on CBS morning show at length and that is not accurate, GfinS... Obama never said he considered his economic policies a "failure" and Bernstein did not use that word...

That's your wishing that Obama had said that... What Obama has consistently said is that the economy isn't where we want it... Duh... I mean, Helen Keller can see that... But, Obama has not put called his policies a failure...

Guess again...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 10:45 AM

" after this dismal 8 years of theivery and lies,"

????????

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Songwronger
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 11:44 PM

What I find especially odd about this campaign is how Romney's being held accountable for all kinds of things, while Obama gets a pass once again. Obama's got a record to defend now, but no one's asking him to defend it. Incumbents are always on the defensive, and Obama has nothing to show but failure and economic depression, so why isn't he being questioned about that?

Obama's always playing the race card, so I think we may see race riots leading to the shutdown of some polling places on election day, followed by Obama v Romney in another bullshit Supreme Court case. I forget which of the swing states are the largest, but which one has a city with the largest black population? That's where Obomber and Bill Ayers might start a race riot in order to disrupt the electoral process.

Oh, but before then we'll learn all kinds of crap about Romney. Unfortunately that's what people will focus on, instead of Obama's record.

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 12:22 AM

Wrongwronger, I'm sorry, but I live in this country, a swing state no less and in all of the media I have seen, the President's record on unemployment has been discussed several times a week for the past 3 and half years. Every time he is interviewed in a one on one or a press conference, he is asked about the economy. Where the hell do you live? What news are you looking at?

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 01:34 AM

Evidently there are nervous people today. At the grocery tonight, the 'box boy', maybe 17 years old, told me darkly "We're standing on the brink of WWIII right now." We chatted for a moment; I reminded him that this country has had many, many crises as bad or worse and we're still here. He seemed grateful to think of it that way.

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 07:56 PM

The boxboy is right. The economic indicators point to it. When countries start stocking grain instead of selling it, box boys notice.

Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Sep 12 - 08:27 PM

Bogus Stats from the Master Leftwing Bloggersite bogus stats monger:

"Keep in mind that the week before 9/11 Bush had the lowest approval rating of any president since such polls have been taken"

It was 51%

Obama is now at 49%

Approval Lows:

Truman 22% 1952 Feb 9-14

Nixon 24% 1974 Aug 2-5

Bush II 25% 2008 Oct 3-10

Carter 28% 1979 Jun 29-Jul 2

Bush I 29% 1992 Jul 31

As usual the highly educated blowhard Bobert does not know what he is talking about and can't back up any of his "facts".

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Subject: RE: BS: October Surprise?
From: Songwronger
Date: 16 Sep 12 - 08:32 PM

It looks as if the Middle East will be the "October Surprise." Looks as if it's already under way, too, with the phony "uprisings" against a video. Obama is going to be crippled now, like Jimmy Carter was. Carter and Obama both did major damage to the U.S. economy, and then they exited after one term. A good article on this is below:

http://www.voltairenet.org/October-surprise-to-Carterize

Also, look at what Obama said this week. "Let's face it. You know, a mixed kid from Hawaii born to a single mom is not likely to become president of the United States...."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/obama-credits-education-with-boosting-mixed-kid-and-little-black-girl-to-white-hous

Obama is the most scripted president in history. The Teleprompter President. This line was inserted into his speech intentionally. Why?

My guess would be blackmail by Israel. Netayahu is desperate and can't wait until after the U.S. elections for American cooperation on an Iran attack. Romney would help but Obama seems reluctant. I would bet that Israeli intelligence has threatened Obama with making his birth records public. Those records would probably reveal something other than the official record. And Obama's trying to take the edge off the moment with this crap. His mom was married when he was born, according to the official record, and yet here he is saying he's a fucking bastard. He's such a vain prick, he wouldn't call himself a bastard unless he HAD to. He's being blackmailed.