Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 04:40 PM

Susan,

Rice with egg white--lotsa bad stuff in the yolk. Boil lotsa bones. Should be able to get them fairly inexpensively from the butcher. Use the liquid to make the rice. Add small amounts of cheap meat. Some fats also--oil is good for the coat. Twice a week give a vegetable/rice/meat mix. The dog probably won't like peas. Mine didn't. But she loved everything else. Begin to work the kibble into the mixture at a ratio of food to kibble of 5 to 1. Gradually increase the kibble. Too much dairy is not good for dogs. The pooch should be taking a good vitamin/mineral supplement during this time. Pop the pill into his throat and stroke the throat while holding the jaws closed. Also, it won't hurt to give a cod liver oil gel capsule every day or two.

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: Mudlark
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 01:02 PM

Hmmm....my recollection is that feeding raw egg white (w/o the yolk) regularly causes a defficiency, maybe in the B vitamins?...anyway, check before separating. Eggs, cooked or raw, are traditionally given to add lustre to coat, ditto good quality veg. oil. All my guys are chow hounds, but if any finickyness comes up, even a 1/2 teaspoon of oil + warm water usually fixes. An egg a day is pretty rich, I think. And I agree, that raw eggs every day over long period may be taking a salmonella chance.

Also agree with Sorcha about kibble ingredients. Dogs are not able to sufficiently digest corn (prime ingredient in most kibble) to get good niutrition. Wheat and rice based kibble much better...since they are better utilized you need to feed less for same wt maintenance (or gain), and there is less, um, waste. And rice based kibble least likely to cause allergic (usually skin) problems.

I know that establishment wisdom says don't feed dogs human food. Rubbish, I say. I feed mine leftover veg (and the water veg cooked in), leftover gravy and meat juices in small amounts, anything that is considered healthy human food (except, of course, chocolate). I also give them "PetTabs" supplements. They are never sick, their coats are self-cleanng and lush, and they are not overweight (tho Emily would like to be).

One other easy additive you might try is the low salt canned (or boxed) broth (chicken, beef, veg.) now available and not expensive. I bet even a tablespoon of that, w/additional water, would pep up Faulkner's appetite.

Good dog!

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 01:01 PM

My dog never gets the yolks I tell him. He's probably not as smart as Susan's dog.

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 12:29 PM

LOL, Hardi's preferred brekky is people-kibble.... at least I got HIM to eat brekky!

So far not fart/loose-poopies action on what I'm doing...

~S~

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 12:18 PM

LOL.....Jeri, is it yolks that dogs are never supposed to get? I think so....whites are OK.

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 12:13 PM

If the plate of kibble was put in front of you at the breakfast table, Susan, you'd realize immediately why the dog does not want to eat it. He is clearly more intelligent than the average dog. I recommend feeding him a full human diet without delay. Then try teaching him Math and English. You may have a canine prodigy in your house.

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 11:56 AM

Have you tried Gravy Train brand dog food. The dry bits have a coating that makes a gravy. When I was a kid, we had a dog, and that stuff smelled pretty good. (It didn't taste nearly as good as it smelled, but I think dogs focus on the smell.) You can mix the Gravy Train with your dog's usual food if it's not enough, nutritionally.

Eggs: you take your chances with raw eggs. I don't think dogs are immune to salmonella. Most eggs are fine, but all it would take would be one...ovum roulette. Maybe the pasteurised egg stuff in a carton?

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 11:41 AM

Sorry, missed that.....IMO, and my breeder's...the best kibble is Eagle Lamb and Rice (no corn, beef or wheat), next best is Iam's Lamb and Rice. Iam's is easier to find than Eagle. Pedigree is known for putting on weight and Come and Get It goes rancid pretty fast.

I feed as I do on my breeder's advice....she says NO kibble really has quite enough vitamins in it. You also might try raw fruits and veggies...apple, broccoli, carrot, etc. Anything EXCEPT onion and grapes. Ours love them all; they'll eat anything I give them (but we know they are spoilt rotten) You gave your kids extra vitamins, why not the critters?

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 11:17 AM

LOL back atcha-- we've tried all kinds of kibbles. Once I get him EATING them I'll shop for the best one nutritionally, and if he catches on I may eliminate the doggie tea gradually! There are multiple half-eaten bags here to finish up first! :~)

How old? ONE, as I said in the first post. :~)

~S~

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 11:13 AM

LOL! What brand of kibble are you using? Some are better than others....don't trust the labels. How old (about) is the pup?

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 11:05 AM

Oh we tried water-- it worked once or twice, then the mess laid there till it stank up the room.

Yogurt, yes, we usually have. Stock cubes in the US are pretty salty..... but what I am hearing is that there are numerous choices likely to be on hand so I don't have to shop specially, and maybe just swishing the dinner plate with water plus a little oil will do the trick? Really prefer not to add too much nutritional tinkering to what ought to be a good kibble mix...

And yes, twice a day, with water available at all times.

Tell ya what he really likes is for Hardi (our alpha "wolf") to pretend to eat it and growl protectively over it and then give F his "share" of the "kill." :~) Dog eats for me in the AM cuz he's hungry, but for H in the evening cuz it's H. :~)

~S~

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: GUEST,Jess A
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 10:56 AM

awww...

in our family we used to make gravy for the dog food out beef stock cube dissolved in boling water, (plus a little bit of cold so it wan't too hot to eat). You only need to use part of the stock cube each time, so works out pretty cheap... or even just using hot water alone might well be enough to soften the dried food and release some of the smell & flavour to whet the dog's appetite.

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 10:44 AM

Well, you aren't killing the dog, but eggs can cause gas......try a teaspoon or so of plain yogurt (extra calcium-low fat) or cottage cheese (more calories than yogurt) and a teaspoon or so of plain canned pumpkin (Vitamin A) with a tad of hot water. Also, a tablespoon or so of Safflower oil (Vitamin E and shiny coat). Are you feeding once or twice a day? I reccomned twice.

Subject: RE: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 09:57 AM

Sorry, forgot the BS tag. The photo, BTW, is Faulkner WITH flesh, not as he looks now.

~S~

Subject: Finally Got the Dog to Eat-- Eggs OK?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 09:56 AM

Our 1-year-old shepherd mix Faulkner seems to require the smell of real human food in order to realize he needs to eat. Dry food alone just does not interest him, and trying to let his hunger change this resulted in a way-too-thin dog. How thin? Well, WAY too thin, even according to the latest chart at the vet's. And winter here in the mountains comes soon.

So I started by adding doggie-tea to the kibble. The first try was a small amount of canned dog food and an equal amount of water, mixed, and poured over the kibble. Yumping yiminy, doggie-dancing till I set it down, and SCARF! All gone. Burrrppp.

Realizing that could get pretty expensive, I cast about for another tea. An egg, thinned with water, is working. Not quite the same enthusiasm, but enough for him to eat as much kibble as he should be eating. And the remains of last night's sausage-spaghetti sauce sticking to the empty pot, swished with water, did OK too.

OK, dog fiends, am I on the wrong track? Am I killing the dog? :~)

Photo: WHERE'S THE BEEF?

~Susan