BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?

Subject: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 09:23 PM

Very interesting. Evidently I was not the only one to note and wonder. In another thread I said: "The group with whom I watched the debate said the lumpiness on Bush's back was from a bulletproof vest he was wearing. I imagine that's true, but there was a curious square shape outlined just above his shoulder blades. Just looked out of place. "

Ah, come on. They wouldn't lie, now would they?

"Campaign aides to President Bush (news - web sites) on Saturday laughed off rampant Internet speculation about whether the president was wired to get help from advisers during his first debate with Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites). "It's not true. It's ridiculous," Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel said. "

"A still photo from television footage of Bush as he debated Kerry on Sept. 30 in Coral Gables, Fla., appears to show a small, boxy shape between the president's shoulder blades."

Was Bush Wired? Ridiculous, Campaign Says

Believe it or not

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: JennyO
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 09:50 PM

I thought this was a thread about little johnnie howard. But he'd be more likely to be located further south on Dubya. More like a pimple on his bum. One badly in need of squeezing.

Jenny (recovering from our crummy election results)

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:21 PM

Sure it wasn't just his radio mike transmitter?

Or was it the control box for the bio mechanical robot replacement?

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:25 PM

Well, if they did have a radio transmitter in Bush's coat it din't do him no good but just so that folks ain't concerned that Bush might be gettin' some coachin' from Karl Rove I think it would be best that Bush do the third and last debate in the nude...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:35 PM

Cheney giving him a goodbye kiss?

(Is this like Twenty Questions?)

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:37 PM

Incidentally, when I saw it, it was in the October 8 debate. A friend of mine saw something out of place in the first debate. In other words, in both debates there were/are unanswered questions. Check out the news sites. Lots of stories about it- including in The Guardian.

The White House has been silent about it- "doesn't want to dignify it with a response"- but presidential aides say the president was NOT wearing a "protective garment." Some have suggested it was just a "wrinkle in his suit." Yeah. Right.

Weirder and weirder. The administration could say, I suppose, that with the bush's known difficulty expressing himself they were just leveling the playing field. However, two heads are better than one, they say; so if the bush was wired, John Kerry was debating a team, not just one person.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:45 PM

IMO, it was an electrical shock-box. Whenever Bush was saying something he got a mild shock just to remind him he was speaking. Whenever it seemed he was actually thinking about what he was saying, he got a BIG shock. However, he has, as yet in this life, received NO BIG shocks.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:48 PM

Or maybe a 'continuous feed" of medications? LOL

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:50 PM

"Oh, the divil he heisted her up on his hump, rightfull, rightfull, titty-fie-tay..."

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:53 PM

lump, Little Hawk, LUMP

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:54 PM

Could it have been the voice of Christmas past?

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:57 PM

I'm suggesting that his hump is beginning to show... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Amergin
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:58 PM

i think it was the puppeteer's hand.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:59 PM

Could it have been his secret supply of big words?

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 11:21 PM

Hey, I know. It was a translation device. The thoughts enetr the box in English. They are translated into Bush and then retranslated into English. What comes out is the voice of the President.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 11:31 PM

Bush thinks: I have to give a serious answer to this question from Kerry, but it has to be phrased such that only Dick Cheeney really understands.

Thoughts: 我從凱利必須給予這個問題一個嚴重的答案，但是它必須被敘述以便唯一的迪克 Cheney 真正懂得。

What he then says: 我 從 凱 利 必 須 給 予 這 個 問 題 一 個 嚴 重 的 答 案 ， 20294;&# 26159;&# 23427.

Thus, the President of the United States tells the world the launch codes for ICBMs.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 11:34 PM

OK, no more foolin' around. It was an invisibility device. Bush thought it was turned on, so he scratched his nuts in public. Imagine HIS surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 11:37 PM

As much as I would LOVE to find out Bush was receiving radio cues, I would make an educated guess that it had nothing to do with a receiver. A radio receiver would be tiny enough to fit in his ear without any additional equipment.

The box could have been a wireless transmitter for a lav mic. These are tiny mics that are usually put on a lapel and a transmitter is normally put in the small of the back. We used these when I worked at CNBC.   

While they had handheld mics last night, I thought that the sound was too uniform. I felt that the handheld mics were more of a prop or a backup. When you move around like they were, and moving their hands like they were, the sound levels would have fluctuated greatly. A lav mic on the jacket would make for a more uniform sound.

If Bush had an ear piece, someone would have noticed.   There is a earpiece called an IFB that most broadcasters use. A mold is made of the ear so that the piece can fit comfortably and snuggly.   If you are on the set, you will notice it. There is a wire that is carefully routed down the back of the jacket and onto a belt device, or it can also be placed in the small of the back.

I did notice the bulge in his back last night, but my first thought was that he was wearing a bullet proof vest of some type, or perhaps a brace of some sort.   It did not look like any kind of broadcast equipment that I've ever seen.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 12:08 AM

"What hump?" - Marty Feldman, Young Frankenstein

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 12:41 AM

A lav mic box is usually hooked on the belt, either front or back. I can see that having the suit jacket hanging over it would have looked awkward, but wouldn't the box be clipped onto a more neutral place? Audiences are familiar with that kind of device.

In one of the AP sites they said there is a receiver that plugs so deep into the ear canal that no one would see it unless they were looking directly into the ear.

Evidently for some time now there have been questions about Bush's use of a transmitter, notably during the meeting between himself and Chirac, when the words that Bush said were audible before he said them.

Where was Kerry's mic?

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 01:18 AM

That is the point Ebbie... if it were a receiver or a transmitter, it would have been place in a different spot. To have something between his shoulders appears to be something else,as I said perhaps a brace or a bullet proof vest.

The earpiece that AP mentioned, and that I described, does fit in rather deep, but again, there would be a wire showing and anyone on stage could see it.

I really think this was something harmless.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 01:34 AM

hink Ron got it when he said, 'If Bush had an ear piece, someone would have noticed.   There is a earpiece called an IFB that most broadcasters use. A mold is made of the ear so that the piece can fit comfortably and snuggly.   If you are on the set, you will notice it. There is a wire that is carefully routed down the back of the jacket and onto a belt device, or it can also be placed in the small of the back.'

I didn't notice the box on his back, I noticed the EAR. At first I thought he had some plastic surgery done on his ears because they looked fake - sort of sharp and shiny. Then I noticed that one of his ears looked positively plastic and totally fake. I new nothing of the device mentioned above.

Of course this is all speculation but I was not looking for something like this. I was just noticing how odd his ears looked. Maybe that is why he kept lifting his shoulders in that odd way. Maybe he was trying to hide the wire or something.

d

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 04:03 AM

Maybe it was an orgasm machine. You know, he pushes the button and boom: Orgasms are us. Maybe that's why he smiled twice.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 04:14 AM

Maybe it was a parachute that he forgot to remove after landing the fighter on the aircraft carrier. Ya think?

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 04:45 AM

OK, OK, I got it. The idea came to me just a few minutes ago while I was watching the stars. It's a little after 2:30 AM in Alberta, and it's a very claer night. Saw some meteorites after returning from a call to a tanker that left the road about 65 km outta town. It was carrying liquid nitrogen. (Very cool stuff.) Anyway, the heavens are absolutely beautiful this evening. And I hope it's beautiful where you are, also.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: el_punkoid_nouveau
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 06:12 AM

Wasn't it where the strings were attched? You could always see them in Thunderbirds!

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: kendall
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 06:17 AM

Body armor

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Tam the Bam (Nutter)
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 06:18 AM

That was his arse, but mind you he talks through it. Like them all

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 12:12 PM

(The official word from the White House aides at this time is that the president was NOT wearing any kind of body armor. Eb)

Evan Augustine Peterson III, J.D.
[e-mail]
Executive Director
American Center for International Law (ACIL) writes:

"The original videotape plainly shows that he was wearing some sort of rectangular electronic device on his back between his shoulder-blades. Among others, the retailer Spyware carries techno-gadgets that fit this description.

"How do they work? These gadgets are pre-set to receive a specific radio frequency, secured to the wearer's body, then the signal is relayed into a wireless micro-speaker that's planted deep enough in the wearer's ear-canal that it can't be seen by observers. "


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Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 01:03 PM

"lav mic" - isn't that a microphone designed for using by someone while in the loo?

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 01:15 PM

A monkey?

I really have my doubts about this, but were I inclined to think there was really something to it, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of an earphone. Where was this lump? If it were about waist-level, as if he had something clipped to his belt, then I'd say it might be possible. On several programs, including Austen City Limits, I've seen performers wearing earphones that were flesh-colored and fit neatly into the ear. They were next to undetectable in anything less than a close-up, and I don't recall any close-ups that close in the debates.

But don't make the mistake of underestimating Bush. He had only a couple of points he wanted to make, and he just kept hammering away at them. No matter what Kerry said or what the questions were, he stuck to what he wanted to talk about like chewing gum on a cat.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 01:31 PM

Don Firth, there are photos - in the first debate - showing the 'lump' between the president's shoulder blades. I watched that debate but I didn't see that. What I saw in the second debate was a square or rectangle (not sure), approximately 4 inches x on the spine slightly above the shoulder blades

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 02:00 PM

His battery?

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 02:29 PM

Interesting, Ebbie. Are there any photos of this posted on the internet? I've found stories, but no photos so far. I watched both debates (plus Cheney-Edwards, of course), but I didn't notice the lump. But I must admit, I wasn't looking that closely, so I could have missed it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 02:30 PM

Dianavan - An IFB is not the shape of the entire ear. It is basically a small mold that is used for the inner ear.
Here is an example of what it looks liek -earpiece

Makeup and placement of the device can hide it from TV cameras, but if he had one during the debate, you would see it. They walked around the stage and cameras were on all sides of them.

In addition, these devices do not have very much of a range. You need to be within about 50 feet of the transmitter.   Setting up such a transmitter in the building would not be very easy to accomplish.

Bush and his handlers may be stupid, but do you honestly think they would have left a bulky device on his shoulder blade knowing that cameras could pick it up? A breast pocket jacket would have been an easier place to hide it. The fact is, anyone in that room who got up close to Bush could have detected it. There is no earpiece that can be completely hidden.

What was it? I really don't know. I don't know enough about bullet proof vests, but that would be my first guess. The White House would not want to admit to his wearing a vest in the debate as a matter of security.

Look, I don't trust these clowns any more than the rest of you. I want to see Bush out on his ass, but this is not going to accomplish anything. I've been in enough in television studios to know that viewers can be fooled. In this instance, we are once again looking for a person on the grassy knoll or hidden away in Hangar 53. What we end up doing is looking like a bunch of kooks and completely missing the goal that needs to be accomplished.   You aren't going to get Bush out of office even if you do prove he wore an earpiece.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 02:36 PM

There's a photo (and article) here

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 02:42 PM

Looks like a girdle. Man-bra perhaps? More likely a bullet proof vest that they will never admit to.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 03:31 PM

Yeah, there appears to be something there. My guess would be the Kevlar vest thing. But I agree with Ron. I want Bush out as much as anybody, but even if he was getting clued from backstage, what does this prove? Picking nits.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 03:58 PM

Got it. It was his stash.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 04:08 PM

Don't agree with you about the futility of the 'nitpicking'. IF Bush was being coached from backstage, not only was it completely unethical and contrary to the debate rules, John Kerry would have been debating more than one brain. (Well, at least a brain and a half.)

IF Bush cheated, it is a tremendous scandal. I would think there wouldn't be a hope of his getting elected.

I have no idea what the thing actually was but I do know two things:

1) He wore it on September 30, during the first debate
2) He wore it on October 8, during the second debate.
3) If it was a wrinkle in his suit, it wrinkled into neat right angles. What was it: a $50.00 suit?? Ya figure?

Incidentally, a 'man bra' - or a woman's bra, for that matter- would NOT have a square in the back above the shoulder blades. Nor would a girdle. A girdle is for the person's middle parts, not the shoulders.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 04:37 PM

Okay, Ebbie, point taken.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 04:49 PM

Dear Ron - I'm not trying to prove anything. I was simply making an observation about his ears. I didn't really notice the hump on his back but I think these comments are humorous especially since it is obvious that this administration thinks they can 'pull the wool over our eyes' anytime they want. I wouldn't put anything above them.

d

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Cruiser
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 05:25 PM

Come on folks! It is just a crease spanning the man's shoulder blades. Bush has slumped shoulders and the voided space between them is filled with a bunching up of his suit. It is very similar to the creasing that occurs between a well-endowed woman's breasts in a tight blouse.

This thread is sounding like material that would occur in a Supermarket tabloid magazine...Inquire, The Star, etc. The trouble is, there are some intelligent Mudcatters that have posted nonsense here.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 06:05 PM

OK, let me say just one more thing here- and then I'll stop.

I'll grant you that tt may not have been anything nefarious. It, however, was NOT a wrinkle; it WAS something; it is NOT a wildeyed conspiracy event. The White House is going to have to come up with an answer that fits the facts.

See you later, chum(p)s. *G*

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 06:07 PM

I still think it was a battery. I've got a toy kangaroo like that - you push the paw and it hops around, singing "Waltzing Matilda". There's a battery plack under the skin, but it causes a square bulge.

Of course I'm not suggesting Bush would do anything like that. I imagine he'd be more likely to cry out "You can run but you can't hide", at random intervals, or make comical faces.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: jaze
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 06:50 PM

His aides today denied it was a listenening device but also did not state what it was. As usual, when in any kind of denial about something, they insist everyone is crazy. At least this time they didn't say unpatriotic.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 10:42 PM

Ebbie - Part of me hopes that you and others are right and this clown is exposed, but logic tells me that this CONSPIRACY theory does not make any sense. If we all look at things with our eyes and ears open, we can learn the truth. If we hang on ONE premise, and then look for evidence to back up that premise, we become the "chump(s)".

I hope I am wrong. I will gladly admit it. I would love a good scandal that shows George Bush to be the real idiot that we think he is.   However, I don't think the evidence is there. If anyone is going to go through a scheme to put a bug in Bush's ear, they are not going to leave such an obvious "track". Even these morons are not that stupid.

Tonight I was watching Farenheit 9/11.   IF you have the DVD, look for the special features. Take a good look at the "new scenes" section, the one where Bush holds a meeting with the press after he met with the 9/11 commission with Dick Cheney. As he turns to leave, hit your pause button. You will see the same mysterious bulge behind the shoulder blade. If you look lower, you will see the outline of what appears to be a vest- I would imagine a bullet proof vest.   I sincerely doubt that the White House wants to "tarnish" the image of their Superman as being vulnerable to bullets, that is my guess as to why they are dismissing this.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 11:54 PM

Interesting page here, with theories and a bunch of time-stamped photos. The photos give some sense of movement, and the bulge appears to look more like a wrinkle than anything else. Who knows? Not me. We're all going to be bulge-watching during the next debate, though.

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:01 AM

Another site: www.isbushwired.com

Subject: RE: BS: What WAS That Lump on Bush Back?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:03 AM

I think it is one of two things: Either it's a tuna fish sandwich OR the place he carries his wallet. Makes the wallet hard to get at, but it sure discourages pickpockets. I was only foolin' about the sandwich. The mayo would contaminate too easily.