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Tech: Chat Room Banning
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Subject: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Clinton Hammond Date: 14 Oct 04 - 04:31 PM If Mudcat isn't gonna pony up and ban people from being jerks and assholes in the threads, how does it justify banning someone from the chat room? Especially considering that the chat room as a fully functional IGNORE button.... Someone e'splain that to me k.... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: PoppaGator Date: 14 Oct 04 - 04:35 PM Who got banned? I might want to exchange a PM or two with him/her. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: wysiwyg Date: 14 Oct 04 - 04:37 PM These sorts of discussions belong in private conversations with site management, as per their frequent request. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Clinton Hammond Date: 14 Oct 04 - 04:39 PM Tough... have it out in the open where it belongs! But I'm not naming names... THAT isn't important.... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Amos Date: 14 Oct 04 - 05:14 PM Clinton: WEith absolutely no context, nor information about the conduct or circumstances, how the hell do you expect anyone here to be able to answer your question? Did you get "banned"? A |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Oct 04 - 05:26 PM We deal with the "jerks and assholes" when we can. Clinton. It's not always possible, and not always needed. And generally, we don't discuss our reasons in a public forum. Public discussion just serves to feed the trolls. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Clinton Hammond Date: 14 Oct 04 - 07:19 PM "Public discussion just serves to feed the trolls" I think it more likely questions the competency of the people who 'run' this place... And for some reason they seem to be afraid of questions... "We deal with the "jerks and assholes" when we can." No you don't! That's a bald-faced lie... "we don't discuss our reasons in a public forum" Then PM me an answer please... cause it makes NO sense to me... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: GUEST Date: 14 Oct 04 - 07:25 PM This is like a 'b movie' whodunnit? The butler did it.... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Clinton Hammond Date: 14 Oct 04 - 07:27 PM Who is not the issue... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: curmudgeon Date: 14 Oct 04 - 07:31 PM "We deal with the "jerks and assholes" when we can." No you don't! That's a bald-faced lie... The fact that your saying this appears on this thread does sort of prove your point... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: GUEST Date: 14 Oct 04 - 07:33 PM if who, what, when and how are not the issue....maybe there is no issue. Or if there is it is pretty hard to second guess. Good luck with it! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Clinton Hammond Date: 14 Oct 04 - 07:33 PM As does your post |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Peace Date: 14 Oct 04 - 07:41 PM Hi, Clinton. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Oct 04 - 08:36 PM I'll send you a personal message, Clinton. Curmudgeon, I guess I really don't know how to answer your comment, other than to say that we do what we have to, to keep the peace; and we try to preserve freedom of expression as much as we can. I don't suppose that answer will satisfy you, but I can't believe it's wise to have an open forum discussion on why "Pinky Lee" (or whoever) was banned. I think that's between us and Pinky, isn't it? -Joe Offer- Does anybody remember Pinky Lee (or was it Pinkie Lee)?? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Amos Date: 14 Oct 04 - 09:07 PM Well, those of us who don't spend a lot of time in the chat room are missing all the juicy gossip and we feel left out. Fix us too, Joe!! A-whose-tongue-is-covered-wth-salt. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 14 Oct 04 - 10:13 PM ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz........ |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: SINSULL Date: 14 Oct 04 - 10:40 PM "Hi! It's me. My name is Pinkie Lee..." God, I am old. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Amos Date: 14 Oct 04 - 10:54 PM This is my Dog, Tige -- he lives there too!!! (Sponsor for Pinkie Lee, as I recall) A |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 14 Oct 04 - 11:14 PM Mr. Clinton HammondI've been banned for years ....(ya, yeh, yeah....but if you wanted to you could....but I don't want to, and I won't....besides.... I don't who I am...and cookies are fattening and tracking pieces of marketing hoopla.)
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: katlaughing Date: 15 Oct 04 - 12:58 AM Joe, I think curmudgeon was quoting Clinton and backing you up, sorta |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Dead Horse Date: 15 Oct 04 - 03:05 AM ....................Gin? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Oct 04 - 03:23 AM Oh, duh. Yeah, that's what Curmudgeon meant. I thought he was responding to me, but he was responding to Clinton. I missed the fact that Curmudgeon was quoting Clinton quoting me quoting Clinton, and I thought he was quoting me quoting Clinton. See??? Sorry, Curmudgeon. I got cornfused. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: GUEST,Not THAT Guest Date: 15 Oct 04 - 04:58 AM Basic run down of what happened for those who are not frequenters of what is usually a damn funny and well behaved chat room, considering the 'jerks and assholes' who frequent it. Three "new" people entered the chat room and one or two of them started to make personal attacks on those who were already there, using language that some people found offensive. A request was made to bar the most offensive person, which was upheld. One of the three entered the chat room again the following day and again made personal and offensive comments, so it wasn't a 'one-off' bad day. Mudcat has always taken steps to delete or bar personal attacks, as they only serve to feed the trolls, and make things very uncomfortable for everyone. The comments and the offensiveness of the language was such that they were 'eligible' for banning. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Mr Red Date: 15 Oct 04 - 04:59 AM Speaking as an occasional "catter chatter" I would prefer a heavy hand on the chat room. Threads we can discuss en mass. Chat room comment has to be dealt with in the heat of the moment. Humour can so easily be taken the wrong way - I should know. Without the time to analyse the chat can soon become vociferous. I tolerate jerks when I can ignore them, which I can't in the chat room. I'm with the establishment on this one. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Liz the Squeak Date: 15 Oct 04 - 05:33 AM Actually, you can ignore them in the chat room - there's an ignore button which if you click, will give you a list of people you can choose to ignore or unignore. If you click on ignore, your posts will appear but theirs won't. Having been the butt (literally) of a personal attack, and being in the chat room the following day, when one of the offenders made more nasty comments, I quite agree with the Establishment too. It's all very well saying that it's a laugh and you'd do this, that and the other if it happened, but when it does, it's a different thing. Common sense and a thick skin go out the window. LTS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: artbrooks Date: 15 Oct 04 - 07:12 AM ....sigh.... And I spend a lot of time in there and missed it all! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: MBSLynne Date: 15 Oct 04 - 07:59 AM I was there when they entered but left before all the fun. I think the 'ignore' button is probably the best way to deal with people you find offensive, then if everyone ignores them, hopefully they'll get the message, plus you don't have to read their rubbish. Clinton Hammond kindly instructed me in the use of the 'ignore' button yesterday. I DON'T think there should be a heavy hand on the chat room. The whole of Mudcat seems to me to be run intelligently and tolerantly and, let's face it, everyone is entitled to their opinions, even if they sometimes upset people. Once you start laying down the law about what can and can't be discussed in the chat you spoil the whole ethos of the thing. After all, 99% of people who go in there are lovely people who are great to talk to...why should the unpleasant minority change anything and spoil things? Love Lynne |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Oct 04 - 08:50 AM It's not the first time someone's had a go at LTS on Mudcat, and on that basis alone it's good that this was nipped in the bud. Free speech is all very well, but it's abused by some people who confuse their rights with their responsibilities. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: freda underhill Date: 15 Oct 04 - 09:07 AM I'm in the chat room now, and there's no one here to argue with, dammit! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Oct 04 - 12:08 PM Where are you now, I'm in there? I know it's 2 am with you, but that's no excuse. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: jimmyt Date: 15 Oct 04 - 12:54 PM wow! I thought, "well, I guess I will need to sell the thong business in its prime of life." I thought that may be a banned discussion. Well, it seems that my Initial public Offering of UKTHONGS can go off as planned, and I hope to get enough to retire to a little Island I have my eye on off the coast of Croatia. hope to open at 15.5,Refer any stock purchase orders to Oaklet, my CEO of UK branch |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Clinton Hammond Date: 15 Oct 04 - 01:30 PM " I DON'T think there should be a heavy hand on the chat room" Especially when there's hardly ANY 'hand' in the threads... and they 'last forever'... An 'offence' in the chat room is as easy to deal with as "Ignoring" the offender, and 'Clearing' your chat screen *poof* Gone... where's the grief? Besides... as I said to someone the other day... people in the chat room are only as real as YOU chose to allow them to be... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Ellenpoly Date: 15 Oct 04 - 01:31 PM I'm with you, art, I seemed to have missed the whole thing. I know that it's always FAR too civilized in the chatroom when I've been in there. Bored the hell out of me. Nah nah, just kidding. But there WAS this one time with Amos... ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: artbrooks Date: 15 Oct 04 - 01:36 PM And things do get a bit kinky whenever somebody mentions filling the hot tub with lime Jello........ |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Megan L Date: 15 Oct 04 - 01:58 PM ach Joe my dear ye ken fine yer tellin fibs if ye dealt wie the scunners ton darlin clinton wid be the first awa :) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Ellenpoly Date: 15 Oct 04 - 02:07 PM Megan, I ADORE your accent! If and when we next meet in chat, you can say whatever ye like, lassie, 'cause een if it were nasty, I'd never know!!! ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Peace Date: 15 Oct 04 - 02:20 PM Art, What's kinky about THAT? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Oct 04 - 02:20 PM Ho'is yer doos EP? Giok |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Ellenpoly Date: 15 Oct 04 - 02:22 PM Just don't translate, Giok, and we're fine. ;-D ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Oct 04 - 02:27 PM Nae bother ma wee flooer, fitever ye say's a' richt wi me. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Teresa Date: 15 Oct 04 - 02:27 PM C'mon, folk, ever gone to a bar and encountered obnoxious folk there? Hey, at least in the chat, you can press the ignore"" button. In the bar you have to rely on the bouncer, or toss 'em out yourself. I'd say have the same rules for the threads as for the chat. If enough people pm Joe and clones, that person gets banned. But as a rule, use the "ignore' button. T |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Oct 04 - 02:38 PM Yep I'm with you there Teresa, if the clones say they received several requests to remove this offensive whatever, it works for me. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Shanghaiceltic Date: 15 Oct 04 - 08:30 PM I was in the room when this person was there. I did not know about the ignore button. The person was extremeley offensive and threatening, if you had met that kind of person in a bar it would have been quite a scary experience. It was right to ban him. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: GUEST Date: 15 Oct 04 - 08:35 PM OK dumb question, but why would someone just join up to go into a chat room and not the main forum? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Cllr Date: 15 Oct 04 - 08:43 PM There's an ignore button!!! uh oh that explains why it gets so quiet I mean er so I ve heard errr **shuffles off quitly**Cllr |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: Peace Date: 15 Oct 04 - 08:45 PM GUEST, I think some people do because they have limited access to e-mail and/or e-mail times with their service providers are expensive. I am guessing at that. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: GUEST Date: 15 Oct 04 - 08:52 PM Ok, but it still seems an odd thing to do. Why join somewhere just to be abusive, when they could have done the same thing on the main forum without joining. If they wanted to shock why choose the least visible place? Oh, ignore me I'm trying to get inside the head of someone I don't want to be in the head of. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 15 Oct 04 - 09:13 PM It's like the difference in performing in a live venue and cutting a record - in one case, instant feedback. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: GUEST Date: 15 Oct 04 - 09:19 PM I see. Guess they didnt know about the IGNORE button either. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Chat Room Banning From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Oct 04 - 12:45 PM Maybe it was done just to target one person. Giok [paranoid moi?] |
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