BS: Ramadan Mubarak

Subject: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 Oct 04 - 12:24 PM

Happy Ramadan to all our readers.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Oct 04 - 01:44 PM

Isn't that sort of like saying "Happy Lent"?

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: mack/misophist
Date: 16 Oct 04 - 02:43 PM

Yes, but at sunset you can eat meat.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 03:09 AM

And let off fireworks, if our area is anything to go by.....

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: mack/misophist
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 10:47 AM

Would some one define "mubarak", please? Is it like "mabuhay"?

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 11:58 AM

We ought to wait until the end of Ramadan and then say 'Eid Mubarak' as then the Muslims will break the fast and have a big party.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Bert
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 10:38 PM

Right on there Mrs Duck.

I don't know if there is a direct translation of Mubarak, it means something like congratulations.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Moses
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 08:05 AM

As far as I know, during Ramadan, Muslims do not allow anything, including water, to pass their lips during daylight hours. When Ramadan falls in the summer, "breakfast" can be around 3.30am and the next meal (and drink) near 10pm! Exceptions are for children and the sick. Everyone else is expected to observe the rules.

Makes giving up sweets for Lent seem a bit tame.

I've got a feeling the fireworks are probably to do with the Hindu festival of light (Diwalli - not sure of spelling) which currently falls around the same time as Ramadan.

Peace

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Wolfgang
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 06:45 AM

I'm curious, does someone know how Muslims follow the Ramadan fasting rules in those parts of the world where the sun doesn't set(rise) for several weeks or months?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: GUEST,CrazyEddie
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 11:25 AM

Hi Wolfgang, I asked a Moslem work-mate this some years ago.
Apparently, some will follow the "timings" from one of the Holy Cities (Usually Mecca).
Some find this unacceptable, and just can't live too far from the equator.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Wolfgang
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 12:22 PM

Thanks, Crazy Eddie, my guess was that idea with taking the timing from Mecca, but I didn't know that's why I asked. And I'm not going to ask what a Muslim in a space lab would do, I just trust my guess.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Red and White Rabbit
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:03 PM

I would guess the fireworks are to do with Diwali rather than ramadan though it may possibly be to do with some oiks of whatever belief deciding that setting them off whenever is fun!

During Ramadan good muslims are not allowed to eat between sunrise and sunset and they break their fast usually with dates as the first food. Children and the sick are excluded but many still observe the fast - we have children as young as 5 in our schoool who are fasting!

The money that would be spent on food during the day is collected and given to the mosque for distribution to the poor. Eid is a bit like our Xmas with lots of food parties and cards we usually recieve Eid presents and from the moslem staff that work with us
If memory serve me correctly it is because Mohammed (PBUH) like Moses had a period of time without food. Fasting at Ramadan is one of the 5 pillars of Islam and you must do it to be considered a good moslem

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:33 PM

So what would be an appropriate way for someone who is not Muslim to convey good wishes to Muslims in the context of their holy season, or is it not something that would be done?

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:50 PM

How about, "strap on some dynamite, board a bus, say hello to the 70 virgins for me, and by the way, have a happy, happy Ramadan."

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:54 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:11 PM

And on what basis, exactly, are we supposed to not see you as a bigot, Martin? Your respect for other people's religions?

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:47 PM

Hard to respect those that blow themselves up on a bus and cut off prisoner's heads on video in the name of Allah because they just can't seem to get their point across any other way, is it?

You obviously respect that, right?

and don't give me that shit about that they were driven to it.

It's bullshit.
I'll respect anyone's religion that doesn't support terrorism through it.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:58 PM

Martin, there are many millions of Muslims who do not blow themselves up, and who would never consider doing so, and only a pretty small handful who do. To judge all members of a group based on the actions of only a small number of the group is bigotry. Shall we always judge all of a particular group of people based on the actions of only a few of them? If we do that, no group of people is safe from being judged.

To respectfully extend one's good wishes to someone of the Muslim faith in the context of one of their important holy days in no way shows approval for the actions of the most extreme and criminal elements of that group.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 04:05 PM

Maybe true.

But I do not see any other group this barbaric in the name of a god. It may be a small portion, but a small portion of millions of them is still well into the thousands.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 04:56 PM

I think there is room for some disagreement in your first sentance of your 19 Oct 04 - 04:05 PM post, and I do disagree with it.

But it is no more appropriate for us to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few of their members than it is for us to judge all members of any other group by the actions of a some of their members. And all groups have some members who commit criminal acts.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:04 PM

Perhaps, but none this stupid, inhumane, or terrorist.

Anyway Carol C., have a wonderful Ramadan.

Just remember: some out of millions is well into the thousands.

That's a lot of bad apples out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:14 PM

Have a wonderful Ramadan yourself, Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:16 PM

I won't.

I don't give a flying fuck.

It's not my religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:44 PM

As stated before Ramadan is not a celebration so wait until Eid and then join in the partying (I suspect Martin Gibson won't be invited but then I wouldn't have him at a party of mine either).

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: mack/misophist
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 06:16 PM

To change the subject, I think travelers, children, military on active duty are also exempt from the restrictions of Ramadan.

Mr Gibson,
I don't admire Islam either. Remember, though, that the vast majority of the people who follow it are just people. One of the guys at the corner store is devout. He claims that nothing is mandatory other than the five pillars. I can live with that easily.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Marion
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 06:36 PM

Arabic lesson for the day:

"Mubarak" means blessed. "Mabrook" means congratulations.

As Mrs. Duck said, you say "Eid Mubarak" (Blessed Feast!) at the end of Ramadan, not during. "Ramadan Mubarak" makes sense as a mid-Ramadan greeting but I can't remember using it.

What is said a lot is "Kul sana wa anta tayib" (to a man) or "Kul sana wa anti tayeeba" (to a woman). It means roughly "May you be well every year", and is an all-purpose greeting you can use for any Muslim or Christian holiday or on someone's birthday.

Marion (three years of university Arabic and eighteen months living in the Middle East... a long, long time ago.)

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Red and White Rabbit
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 11:14 AM

Interesting points of view on the thread.
I dont know many of us that support terrorism Dont believe I support the 'holy war' in Ireland either. Its not my religion either but then nor is Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc etc. but I do work with a lot of Moslems who are equally outraged at the atrocities in Iraq done in the name of Islam.

Islam preaches peace and care for others a bit like Christianity does. Unfortuantely a few bad apples do spoil the barrel - whichever barrel you might be looking in and I am afraid this is what breed bigotry and racism. Its a shame people from what ever religion cannot practice what they preach. No deaths caused in the name of religion can be good.

On a nicer note happy Diwali for this weekend, happy halloween for all pagans and witches amongst us Happy Eid for November 15th 16th Happy Thanksgiving for whatever date in Novemeber that is and Happy St Nicolas Day etc etc etc etc Sorry to anyone I have forgotten

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 11:19 AM

They may be outraged, but they are not speaking out, in fear of their own lives.

Again, I'll say that the "few bad apples" concept is ridiculously misleading. A few bad apples when you have millions obviously equate to tens of thousands bad apples.

If there were 100 million Muslimes and I suspect that is on the low side, a 5% bad apple ratio still equates to 5 Million bad apples.

Bad and rotten, in the name of Allah.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:07 PM

Interesting point, Martin. Don't get me wrong here - I'm not disagreeing (oddly enough!) because terrorism is so wrong in so many ways that anyone who supports it must indeed be a fool!

Extrapolating your example of 5% bad apples. As at 07/01/05 we had a world population of 6,446,131,400. That means that, in the world, there are 322,306,570 bad apples! Of the 2 billion Chistians we have 100 million bad apples. Your estimate of Islam was indeed low. Of the 1.3 billion there are 65 million fast becoming cider. Amongst the 900 million Hindus there are 45 million with maggots! Of the 14 Million Jews we have a total soggy count of a mere 700K!

I have said before and I will say it again. There are good and bad people of all faiths, colours and nationalities. It is very unfortunate that the bad 'uns so often are the leaders and the most outspoken:-( This does seem to be the case with Islam at the moment but is it realy or is it our western media propaganda machine working particularly well? I suspect the latter but do not really know:-(

One thing that the statistics could be used to show though - The bad apples bowing to Allah outnumber the ones wailing to Yahweh by almost 100 to one! I wonder why they keep saying they need to use terrorist tactics because they are in a minority...

(OK, OK, I know in Palestine it may be different but surely we are a global village now!)

Here's another interesting (to me anyway!) statistic about the world major religion figures. Christiaity, just past the 2k mark in years, has 2 Billion followers, or 1 billion per thousand years. Islam has 1.3 billion followers in year 1420, or just over 900 Million per thousand years. Is this because Christianity is more popular or because the Christian missionaries were more effective?

Other religions? I dunno! Phew! I have given you some figures - work out the rest for yourself:-)

Anyhow,

Happy whatever you are celebrating to all peaceful people of all races, colours and creeds. But only if you want it to be happy;-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Wolfgang
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:36 PM

How do the Egyptians call a cowshed?
Mubarak    (Mu is pronounced Moo in German)

is a very unPC German joke about the president of Egypt. One of a long series of jokes about foreign politicians with suitable names.
(I could also tell you what we made out of 'Kennedy' which is pronounced exactly as a Bavarian would say: 'I know you' in German, but that would go too far in this peaceful thread)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:54 PM

Dave the Gnome, glad I got some thinking juices churning. I figured that I was way off on my Muslim count. But maybe i was off or low also on my 5% bad apple count. What if it's 10, 20, or even 50 %?

Staggering.

Our meager 14 million, of which there for sure are some bad apples, though I wouldn't say anywhere near 5%, don't make headlines by blowing ourselves up, cutting off our enemy's heads, and live for the most part in an educated, civil lifestyle, has to make one wonder why, as a people, we are so successful, when we are so few.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 01:32 PM

Where does this 5% guestimate of "bad apples" amongst Muslims come from? Did you just make it up off the top of your head? If you're going to get all scientific and numerical, you need to be working with some legitimate numbers.

My guess would be closer to .001%.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 02:09 PM

Still a racist, eh, Martin?

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 02:46 PM

I dunno, Carol. Perhaps Martin is way off but 1 in 20 may not be too far out for any societies 'Bad Apple Count'. Just off the top of my head I can think of around 20 people I know realy well. There are many others that I know of course but nowhere near as well as these 20. OK so far?

Out of the 20 I can think of 10 who would give me or anyone the shirt off their back at the drop of a hat. Of the remaining 10 perhaps 6 or 7 would do the same if push came to shove. The remainder has at least one seriously disturbed racist, one with known criminal tendancies and one who would support one of the others regardless of what they had done! Needless to say I now try to avoid these latter ones but they were friends at one time. So, out of this small sample there is 15% who may be termed 'Bad Apples':-(

There is, of course, no justification for racism or terrorism and I do think Martins reasoning gets a little flawed when tarring all Muslems with the same brush. I know he would not like it if I said all people in Chicago are drunken beggars because some of the people I spoke to in Chicago were drunkards, drug addicts and begging for money on the street! No more than, based on my experience above, I would like anyone to say my circle of friends are all criminals and racists, even though 15% of them may well be!

The only way forward on this is for everyone to forget what they 'know' about other people and go and find out the truth for themselves. I am often guilty of stereotyping others myself (just because I know all Yorkshiremen are tight gits...;-) ) but stereotyping can become very dangerous indeed. Anyone who really belives all Muslems are terrorists would do well to study the rise of the New Socialist Party in 1930s Europe. They told their followers that all Jews were scheming, money grabbers out to topple the governments of the day. There may well have been 5% of the Jewish population who were 'Bad Apples'. But look what then happened to the other 95%...

It may seem like I am arguing against myself here or being contrary for 'effect'. I am not, honestly! While I do not think Martin is right with some of his comments and conclusions I cannot honestly say he is wrong about a 5% BA Count. What people do about that count in ALL societies is the important bit.

I choose to ignore it and concentrate on the 95% full of vitamins, good for your teeth ones. If everyone did the same we may eventualy see a change in the world:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 04:05 PM

Your guess is way off Carol C. .001 is an even more worthless guess.

Lepus Rex, I understand that with your bald head that if you put a little circle in the center at the top you would totally look like the prick everyone knows you are.

Lepus, you suck pus.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 05:40 PM

Sorry - on re-reading about 'choosing to ignore the bad ones' it sounds like I meant ignore the terrorists etc. I don't. I mean ignore them in your views of the race/creed/nation as a whole. They may be many, as Martin suggests, but they are still a small part of the whole. Deal with them in your own way but don't for heavens sake treat all the people of a particular type as thugs just because a few are. Following that through to its logical conclusion we can only decide that because a small portion of the human race are bad we need to wipe out the lot:-(

Or just because a small portion of Martins posts are a little insulting he isn't realy a nice guy? ;-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 05:43 PM

For sure, Dave.

There are those that squirm on the sidewalk after a rainstorm (worms) and there are those that squirm at Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 09:51 PM

If five percent of all Muslims wanted all Jews dead, all Jews would already be dead. You're just making stuff up to suit your prejudices, Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 09:53 PM

Interesting, Hate-Dreidel. You enjoy imagining me as a giant penis. Yes, VERY interesting.

But "bald" isn't a very effective insult, Martine. It's true. But it's nothing I am (or should be) ashamed of. You, however, do seem to be (and should be) ashamed of being a racist, a misogynist, and (tellingly) a homophobe. Why else would you be so defensive when people point this out? I mean, is this what your parents dreamed you'd amount to? Would they be proud that you've become some wizened, elderly troll spewing vulgarities and bizzaro-Nazi style ravings on an online forum?

And does your wife know she's married to a racist? If so, is she proud?

Seriously, why don't you get up from your crusty office chair, leave your ugly suburban box, drive into the city, and actually meet some Muslims?

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 09:56 PM

Probaably at least 5% of all the hillbilly KKK in ol' rural Alabamy want us Jew boys dead, eh CarolC?

I believe more than 5% ofg all Muslims want the Jews dead,CarolC. Jews compared to Muslims is like a matchbook on a football field.

Trouble for them is, we have better weapons, education, organized Israeli military than they do. You don't hear the Jews calling them infidels.

But go ahead, CarolC, stick up for all of your poor, peaceful, Arab friends. Obviously they are not all terrorists, but somewhere they have a cousin named Mohammad who probably is.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:05 PM

Probaably at least 5% of all the hillbilly KKK in ol' rural Alabamy want us Jew boys dead, eh CarolC?

You would know better than me, Martin.

BTW, not all Muslims are Arabs. Not all Arabs are Muslims. Some Arabs are Jewish. People are people, Martin. Nobody's any better than anybody else. Get over it.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:25 PM

Lupus Rex, you are likea pus pimple squirting on a mirror.

If you want to bring wives into it, fine, you started it. Yours has a vagina as rancid as your breath.

If you want to bring parents into it, the best part of you is in your father's condom and crusted.

If you want to bring where I work into into it, I do work with some Muslims. They should bathe a little more frequently, otherwise they are not bad people. But I've never met their friends.

You're the one who looks like a bald nazi skinhead LooPUS REX the wonderhorse. Your Jew hating reputation is well known everywhere on this forum. I forgot. You need a couple of rubber bands around your ears to complete the penis costume, you moron.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:40 PM

As usual, simple vulgarity and baseless claims. (And more obsessive talk of me as a giant penis. Hmmmm...) How am I a "Jew hat(er)," again? Yeah, didn't think so. Nice try, racist. You didn't even attempt to deny my claims. Hell, you couldn't even respond without yet another racist slur. You're priceless. :)

(And, just for the record, I didn't bring where you work into it... I'd assumed you were long retired. The "ugly suburban box" is your home, Martin.)

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:44 PM

No pus face. I work and make a good living. Have a big house with a mortgage and kids in college.

Have some great guitars, also.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:50 PM

I'm sure your ugly suburban box is huge, Martin. Sorry.

But the kids, Martin: Do they know that you're a racist? Surely, being educated people, they would disapprove?

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 09:49 AM

Martin gibson-you are a rubbish person, and i hope your head falls off.
and i bet you don't live in a big house, i reckon you live in a dustbin, and your guitar is rubbish and falling to bits.

ps=I know well over 100 muslims and none of them are terrorists, in the company i work at, i am the only non muslim person.


ps=any UK people can see about islam on Sky Digital telly, its channel 836.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: GUEST,PP
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 10:55 AM

Agreed, Gibson is a waste of space.

How about this for a statistic; 5% of earthlings are arseholes. Gibson you've just been appointed their chairman.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: GUEST,Robert
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 11:29 AM

Gibson you are one sick sad bastard I feel sorry for your family - if in fact you have one.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 11:40 AM

Of course he doesn't He brags about what he wishes he had.
The clues are out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak
From: Moses
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 07:55 AM

I thought this thread was about how to wish people a happy Eid or to greet them in a warm and friendly manner during Ramadan.

How has it degenerated into a slanging match?

Can't we all learn something from what's happening in the world and apply it to our own behaviour?


Keep taking the tablets!