BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration

Subject: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: GUEST,How Much Do You Think Your Vote Counts?
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 01:48 PM

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted."
                                       Albert Einstein

"People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
                                     Soren Aabye Kierkegaard

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 01:55 PM

Personally, I think that question, "How Much Do You Think Your Vote Counts?" is impossible to answer.

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: Amos
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 01:59 PM

Ummmmm...1?



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Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 01:59 PM

"The only thing we learn from new elections is we learned nothing from the old."
                                    American Proverb

"An election cannot give a country a firm sense of direction if it has two or more national parties which merely have different names, but are as alike in their principals and aims as two peas in the same pod."
                                  Franklin Delano Roosevelt

"Reagan won because he ran against Jimmy Carter. If he ran unopposed he would have lost."
                                  Mort Sahl

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 02:04 PM

"Indeed, you won the elections, but I won the count."

                               Anastasio Somoza Garcia

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 02:06 PM

If the electoral college in your state goes to Bush, Amos, your vote will count for zero in terms of deciding the presidential race. But if your vote gets counted as a part of the popular vote (something no one can really be sure of), your vote will be counted as a part of the president's mandate, or lack of a mandate. Not that Bush will pay any attention to whether or not he as a mandate (if he gets reelected).

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 02:16 PM

"You don't have to fool all the people all of the time; you just have to fool enough to get elected."
                                  Gerald Barzan

"We have a presidential election coming up. And I think the big problem, of course, is that someone will win."
                                  Barry Crimmins

"Get the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything."
                                  Frank Dane

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: pdq
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 02:29 PM

"No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the Legislature is in session." - Ambrose Bierce

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Menkin

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, (and thence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with a whole series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary" - H. L. Menkin

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 02:31 PM

"Elections are held to delude the populace into believing that they are participating in government."
                                    Gerald F. Lieberman

"My opponent called me a cream puff. Well, I rushed out and got the baker's union to endorse me."
                                    Claiborne Pell

"Which one of the three candidates would you want your daughter to marry?"
                                    H. Ross Perot

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 03:11 PM

"If a politician isn't doing it to his wife , then he's doing it to his country."
                               Amy Grant

"I never said all Democrats were saloonkeepers; what I said was all saloonkeepers are Democrats."
                               Horace Greeley

"Any established village; could afford a town drunkard, a town atheist, and a few Democrats."
                               Denis E. Brogan

"Rome had Senators too, and that is why it declined."
                               Frank Dane

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 03:13 PM

So, Guest, have you done a whole bunch of reading of all of these philosophers and politicians, or are you going to offer some citation as to where your quotes were collected?

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 03:29 PM

"Let us not forget that we can never go farther than we can persuade at least half of the people to go."
                                     Hugh Gaitskell

"Ignorance makes most men go into a political party, and shame keeps them from getting out of it."
                                     Edward F. Halifax

"Politics is a choice of enemas. You're gonna get it up the ass, no matter what you do."
                                     George V. Higgins

"I do not look for much to come out of government ownership as long as we have Democrats and Republicans."

"If there is anything a public servant hates to do it is something for the public."

"Now and then an innocent man is sent to the legislature."

                                     Kim Hubbard

"A political convention is not a place where you can come away with any trace of faith in human nature."
                                     Murray Kempton

"It is hard to say why politicians are called servants, unless it is because a good one is hard to find."
                                     Gerald F. Lieberman

"The two-party system has given this country the war of Lyndon Johnson, the Watergate of Nixon, and the incompetence of Carter. Saying we should keep the two-party system simply because it is working is like saying the Titanic voyage was a success because a few people survived on life-rafts."
                                     Eugene McCarthy

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 03:42 PM

"Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other."
                                        Oscar Ameringer

"All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies."
                                        John Arbuthnot

"Politics are usually the executive expression of human immaturity."
                                        Vera Brittain

"Politics, whatever its professions, has always been the systematic organization of hatreds."
                                        Henry Brooks Adams

"Politics and the fate of mankind are shaped by men without ideals and without greatness. Men who have greatness within them don't go in for politics."
                                        Albert Camus

"One has to be a lowbrow, a bit of a murderer, to be a politician, ready and willing to see people sacrificed, slaughtered, for the sake of an idea, whether a good one or a bad one."
                                        Henry Janes

"Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible."
                                        George Orwell

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 04:08 PM

"Politics has become so expensive that it takes a lot of money even to be defeated."
                              
"The more you read and observe about this politics thing, the more you've got to admit that each party's worse than the other. The one that's out always looks the best."
                                       Will Rogers

"The old parties are husks, with no real soul within either, divided on artificial lines, boss-ridden and privilege-controlled, each a jumble of incongruous elements, and neither daring to speak out wisely and fearlessly on what should be said on the vital issues of the day."
                                       
"When they call the roll in the Senate, the senators do not know whether to answer ''present'' or ''not guilty.''

                                     Theodore Roosevelt

"I don't care who does the electing as long as I get to do the nominating."
                                     Boss Tweed

"A recent survey was said to prove that the people we Americans most admire are our politicians and doctors. I don't believe it. They are simply the people we are most afraid of. And with the most reason."

"Politics is the entertainment branch of industry."

"The most difficult choice a politician must ever make is whether to be a hypocrite or a liar."

                                     Anonymous

"The two real political parties in America are the Winners and the Losers. The people don't acknowledge this. They claim membership in two imaginary parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, instead."
                                     Kurt Vonnegut

"We are the first nation in the history of the world to go to the poorhouse in an automobile."
                                    
"Everything is changing. People are taking the comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke."
                                     Will Rogers

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 09:32 PM

Fascinating article in today's Wall St. Journal about how both parties are trying to dampen the other side's turnout.

I wonder if the Bush folks are clever enough to plant a thread here suggesting that it's not worth it to vote, knowing that this is mainly a pro-Kerry site. They might think a series of witticisms (and half-witticisms) pillaged from Bartlett's might do the trick.



Nah----probably just another disaffected and frustrated Naderite, annoyed since his boy has been revealed as a Bush patsy.

Hey "Guest' (Ghost)--why don't you get a handle and come back when you have something worthwhile to say?

Say along about 3 November, after Bush has conceded.


And don't bother telling me to "chill, dude" or whatever your current world-weary line is----unless of course you start using your real name---------otherwise you're just another troll.

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: dianavan
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 12:24 AM

Ron - What do you mean,"...probably just another disaffected and frustrated Naderite, annoyed since his boy has been revealed as a Bush patsy."

Haven't heard that before. Whats the source?

d

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 12:29 AM

Mallard Fillimore, the conservative -- well, pro-Bush -- comic strip was running a "Don't Vote" series of strips last week.

interesting.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 10:21 AM

Good partisan response there Ron, and spoken like a true diehard Democrat. Turn everything into a partisan thing, including Will Rogers. Good on ya.

Did it ever occur to you that the quotes are all relevant to elections, politics, and politicians and not about Republicans secretly stealthing their way into Mudcat to try and steal the election?

Are you on medication for that paranoia problem Ron?

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 10:21 PM

You're not a careful reader, Ghost (you're no Guest)---or you would have noticed I rejected the Bushite plant hypothesis in favor of the frustrated Naderite idea.

That's obviously what you are, in spades.

By the way, I'm a registered Republican (so not precisely a diehard Democrat--in fact it's the first time I've ever been called that--interesting sensation.)

But I vote on the person and the issues, not the party.

I'm also somebody who realizes that Bush is a disaster for the country and possibly the world, a fact which doesn't seem to have penetrated your ivory tower.

Kerry, on the other hand, can and will think.

You ought to try it sometime.


Sorry the country ( and by extension the world) hasn't suffered enough to be worthy of your wisdom.


The house is burning down---- stop arguing with the bucket brigade.

Also, Ghost---

You seem to have some connection to the person who started this thread.

Very interesting heading--"How much do you think your vote counts?"


It's not exactly paranoid to hazard a guess that the person who wrote that is a cynic and does not, in fact, think voting is worth it


Not a very helpful attitude now.

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: Peace
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 01:13 AM

My vote counts a helluva lot. I tend to read the proposals of the various candidates, their position on issues, their 'raison d'etre'.
Then I vote. That makes me the boss for all of ten seconds when I make my X. And, I love it. I cannot understand why anyone would NOT vote. (I include marring the ballot as a vote.)

I have only ever voted for three 'parties' that got in, but I have voted in almost every election I could. Only party I never voted for was communist. Figured I'd shoot myself if they fluked and won.

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 01:18 AM

"Even the president of the United States sometimes has to stand naked" - Bob Dylan 1964
         to George W. Bush 2004

: )~

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 01:24 AM

"What you say is what you are" - My seven-year-old son Tom

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 09:49 AM

Why harrass the poor Guest poster of these interesting and often funny quotes? Just because the truth is sad doesn't mean it isn't funny...
I'm gonna go Google me up some good ones for this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 09:55 AM

All of these are from Mark Twain, the first person I thought to run through Google:
The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet.
To lodge all power in one party and keep it there is to insure bad government and the sure and gradual deterioration of the public morals.

An honest man in politics shines more there than he would elsewhere.

The new political gospel: public office is private graft.

...when you are in politics you are in a wasp's nest with a short shirt-tail, as the saying is. (Someone explain to me what this means - they will sting you on the ass?)

In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 09:13 PM

"Someone suggesting that US citizens not vote is a traitor!"

Me.

Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 09:48 PM

INVICTUS by William Ernest Henley

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find me, unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

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Subject: RE: BS: For Your Thoughtful Consideration
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 09:53 PM

You can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Abraham Lincoln said that.