BS: Flores hominids - hominids??

Subject: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 03:43 PM

This just goes to show what we still don't know.

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 03:58 PM

I think it's a neat story and will be curious to see what the 'answers' are after a few years of study have gone into it...

Cause for now, it's WAY too soon to tell much

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: frogprince
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 04:03 PM

It obviously disproves the whole godless theory of evoluton...

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 05:45 PM

pooh, frogprince!...it just shows HOW evolution works in a restricted environment like an island. There are also miniture elephants there which developed to cope with reduced food supply....

you can have "God" if you wish, as the designer OF evolution, but evolution IS how things happen....they do not just pop into existance suddenly.

(I'd like to think you were being funny about it, but it sounds like you were serious)

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: hesperis
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 06:35 PM

The other thread

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: frogprince
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 07:37 PM

Sorry, Bill D. I was just trying to throw in that dippy reaction before someone else did. I found the article interesting, and in no way inconsistent with evolution. We may never -probably will never-
sort out just how complex our family tree has been along the way.

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 08:05 PM

Here's another NPR link, to more on this story. ON the other thread I posted a link to the page where you can hear the radio interview.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 08:22 PM

"(I'd like to think you were being funny about it, but it sounds like you were serious)" I suspect you were alone in that, Bill.

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 08:40 PM

ok..*wry grin*...sorry, frogprince. So many BEING dense these days, I lost track. Apologies, and I have you noted as 'reasonable'...
(you note I tried read between the lines!)
mumble, mumble...where IS that list of fools I need to watch out for...

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: frogprince
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 08:46 PM

Now me, I never misunderstood anything anyone said, myself...

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: harpgirl
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 04:13 PM

This is the most interesting news story next to the BoSox win that I have seen in a while. I can't wait to find out about the DNA of these hominids. When Richard Sykes adds his research to this find our knoweldge of our ancestry will again expand.

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: harpgirl
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 04:26 PM

Stories about them persisted in the folklore of the time and they were called "Ebu Gogo" according to one article I read. Imagine the folklore being passed down over 18,000 years! Wow! And I bet there are even songs about them. I wonder which ones they might be?

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: MMario
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 04:36 PM

I find it more likely that tales of "little people" would be due to imagination (or psychosis) then to actual handing donw of tales for 18000 years.

On the other hand - What was that fish that was only known through fossils (considerably older then 18000 years if I recall) until one was caught - live?

So it is possible that the hominids were around into historical times.

Recently they discoved that remnant populations of Mammoth lasted into *nearly* historically recorded times on some island -

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: harpgirl
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 05:01 PM

Yes, mmario. The Dutch may have seen them when they colonised the area. Some scientists believe they may have lived until 500 years ago and were not wiped out during a volcanic eruption.

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: annamill
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 05:43 PM

How wonderful! Now if they find an island where the people are really LARGE, then we'll have to wonder if the Travels of Gullivar were factual! ;-)

Exciting stuff!

I love Mudcat.

Annamill

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 05:51 PM

"...an island where the people are really LARGE,"..Coney Island, on the beach?

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 05:55 PM

Brobdingnag, Laputa,Lilliput...do they exist after all?? mmmmmmmm
Is what we are hearing the whole truth??
Time will reveal the whole truth(hopefully) and what difference will it really make to our world if it is true???
I'll just climb back under my bridge now, where all good trolls hang out!!!
Byeeeeee and Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: MAG
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 10:42 PM

anything that sheds new light on that endlessly fascinating creature, ourselves, is worth following.

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 10:46 PM

MMario

The fish was a Caeleocanth(sp) if I remember rightly.

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: MAG
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 11:02 PM

coelocanth. ask the children's librarina

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 11:06 PM

there have been several more coelocanths caught since then...

and, of course, they are gonna find that tiny colony of BigFoots (Bigfeet?) any day now

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 06:13 AM

I am amazed with all these human origin theories. Mainly because all of them rely on so little actual fossil evidence. It is difficult to piece together a true story from so little.

And when it does exist, that evidence can be tampered with - to further a pet theory - remember Piltdown Man?

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 06:16 AM

Who, I see now has his own website.........

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/piltdown.html

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 07:48 AM

The fakes don't last. See Piltdown Man, the Cardiff Giant, and others.
Good science eventually roots them out.

Consider the tales from the Western US, however, of small people living in caves with entrances no more than three feet high....

We certainly don't have all the answers, but I'm glad we're looking around and asking questions.

Subject: RE: BS: Flores hominids - hominids??
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 11:21 AM

I just saw a CNN news flash that George Bush is against permiting "hominids" to register to vote. In fact he's probably opposed to permiting "homosapians" the right to vote. It causes all kinds of trouble. Some refuse to get legally married or even go to church. Some don't eat their vegetables! Some sing off-key!

Well, he is the President, until at least January...

Charley Noble, who would really like to have a couple of three-foot house servants to do chores around the house