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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: GUEST Date: 02 Nov 04 - 10:27 AM so whats the news so far from across the pond? |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 04 - 09:02 AM Well, in terms of my thought in general, I haven't changed one bit from my initial post in starting this thread. I'm still for total chaos that is the only way the the US will ake the changes necessary to correct the terribly flawed manner in which we elect the president. Getting rid of the Electorial College or tweeking it to make it more democartic is the first priority, followed closely by figuring out a way to make more Congressional districts competative. But I would add that I was warching C-SPAN last night. It was showing a live ralley in Cleveland, Ohio and I was really impressed with just how how far Bruce Springsteen has come since I knew him almost 30 years ago. Back then he was so introverted and apathetic it was unreal. So I'm real glad to see him involved, articulate on the issues and giving something back... Good on you, Bruce. Good on you. I was also impressed with all the sicerety of John Kerry. Not that I'd go back and change my vote, mind you, but this entire crowd appeared to be like real people. I've seen a few clips of Bush rally's and Bush doesn't wade into the crowd. Kerry did. Kerry also seemed to spend actual time with folks, taking 10 or 15 seconds to stop and interact with folks. Bush, from what I've seen on TV, just works a line of folks in the front row and I can't remember him giving anyone any real time. Hey, 10 or 15 seconds may not seem like real time to many but if it is you who he is talking face to face with, it's a big deal. I had that expierence a long time ago with Walter Mondale and can guarentee you, it is a big deal. I was also impressed with all the hugging going on. Sincere or not, it came accross as sincere. Just observations, Now, bring on the clusterf*ck... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Sttaw Legend Date: 02 Nov 04 - 08:13 AM So which one do you think is near the truth? In the final pre-election New York Times/CBS News poll, Bush was ahead of Kerry with 49 percent to 46 percent. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll showed that 49 percent of likely voters polled chose Bush, with 47 percent taking sides with Kerry. Bush had a slight lead over Kerry, 49 percent to 48 percent, in the latest ABC News tracking poll, which was conducted through telephone interviews. In the Pew Research Poll, Bush enjoyed a three-point advantage. The Fox News/Opinion poll indicated that both Bush and Kerry had the support of 46 percent. A Newsweek poll reported the largest gap between the two presidential candidates. Bush, with a six-percentage points lead, was favored by 50 percent of voters and Kerry by 44 percent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: George Papavgeris Date: 02 Nov 04 - 06:56 AM Not being a US citizen and therefore having no vote on this, I can only quote the (translated) lyrics of a Greek song: "I am afraid of those That decide for me Without me"... I am shit scared of the impact these elections may have for millions (billions?) of people who don't even get to participate in them. Just like some people were scared watching events unfold in Germany in the mid-1930s. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Stu Date: 02 Nov 04 - 06:49 AM er, what election is this then? |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Nov 04 - 01:03 AM DougR, we agree at least on that. A decisive victory. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: CarolC Date: 02 Nov 04 - 01:01 AM Hmmm... thoughts. I'm actually voting for Kerry rather than just against Bush. That surprises me a bit, because I wasn't very impressed with Kerry for a long time. But here's one thing about Kerry that might be very timely for this country. We've had veterans of various wars in the White House, and we've had people who were able to avoid serving in Vietnam in the White House. But if Kerry wins the election, he will be the first Vietnam Vet to serve as president (and quite possibly the last). I think it could be good to have a Vietnam Vet serve as president. Especially one who has been able to both serve in the Vietnam War as well as protest against it. So if Kerry becomes president, he'll be the first US president who fought in a war that the US didn't win (at least according to the US version of events). And the first of the veterans who came home from war with less than a hero's welcome. He knows things and has experienced things that no president before him knows or has experienced. There's an inherent integrity that comes with the particular blend of all of the things I've listed here. He's got it deep down inside him. If he can allow that to come to the surface and guide him in the way he conducts himself as president, and not allow himself to become blindsided by the politics of the presidency, he might be able to help bring about a lot of healing in this country. Anyway, I've decided to give him a chance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Ron Davies Date: 02 Nov 04 - 12:44 AM Topic says "Your Thoughts"--well, OK It's the most important election in decades. And the choice is incredibly clear, it seems to me. It's just about a perfect clash of emotion vs reason. Bush's entire campaign is based on emotion. First there's fear--particularly notable since he's been telling people to not be swayed by fear on 2 November. If they are not swayed by fear, they will toss him out. He and Cheney have been constantly stoking fear, fear that another American city will be hit by terrorists, fear that Kerry won't be aggressive enough in combating terror, fear that marriage will be undermined, and on and on---some Bushites even put out a flyer (was it in West Virginia?) that the Bible would be banned. Then there's the religious appeal itself--since it requires the believer to take so much "on faith"---also not susceptible to reasoning through. Bush has made a big pitch to all 3 of the major religions in the US--and will get a large number of conservatives in all 3----Protestant fundamentalists through his anti-abortion stance and opposition to homosexual marriage, Catholics especially because of the abortion issue, and Orthodox Jews through support for Israel--though they have no idea what President Kerry will do. It's truly amazing how little Bush supporters know about the issues and the real world----I've read that by a wide margin they even think the rest of the world favors Bush's election-------could hardly be more wrong on that. Kerry believes in facts, in researching an issue, trying to get as many views as possible, in order to make an informed decision, and even changing his view, if the facts warrant it. Bush believes in ignoring or denying any fact that doesn't fit his pre-conceived simplistic view of the world. I really have looked for a Bush supporter who based his support on reason. Jack Welch, former CEO of General Electric, had a column in the Wall St Journal on what to look for in a candidate today. He's no dodo, obviously, and would be expected to have good solid criteria. I knew he would support Bush. These are his criteria: 1) Is the candidate likable? 2) Does the candidate have a paranoid streak?---yes, Jack Welch thought this a good trait 3) Can the candidate see around corners? (predict the future) 4) Does the candidate support business? That's right---in an attempt to justify support for Bush, he could not come up with one trait based on logic or reason (I count a desire for support for business in a candidate as not an objective request, coming from Mr. Welch). I don't see how anybody who favors reason over emotion in government (do we really want a paranoid president?) could hesitate. It has to be Kerry over Bush. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: chris nightbird childs Date: 02 Nov 04 - 12:11 AM See ya on the forum after the results... I'm sure everyone will be posting here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Ebbie Date: 02 Nov 04 - 12:09 AM Little Hawk, I'm disappointed in you. Surely someone of your sensibilities is aware that beef (for burgers) takes a LOT more feed and real estate and care and MONEY than do escargot, whose nutrients are also far more concentrated and more readily accesible. So there. Vote Kerry. (Or in your particular case, just keep visualising.) Countin' on you. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: dianavan Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:58 PM I'm sick of thinking about it but here goes anyway - Kerry will get 1-2% of the Republican vote Kerry will get 1-2% of the undecided Kerry will get all of the new voter turn-out (another 1-2%) He will also get the electoral college. Is that enough to win? I hope so. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:56 PM That's assuming there IS a better man, Ebbie. Kerry can pronounce "nuclear", of course, but can he whip up a bunch of barbecued burgers like Bush can? Hmmm. Decisions, decisions... What do I hope? That something happens that makes people get mad enough at the electoral college to get it abolished. It's a phony, undemocratic scam that defeats the whole purpose of having a legitimate election. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Amos Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:43 PM I really hope Kerry produces a throbbing sweep in popular votes AND an irresistible upsurge in electoral votes in early voting, producing a lead that never goes away all throught he day. Peace, man. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Ebbie Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:42 PM For once, DougR, we are in full agreement. I imagine you will agree with me when I say that I just hope the better man wins. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Peace Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:40 PM Peace. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: DougR Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:38 PM I hope whoever wins, whether it be Bush or Kerry, wins with a large enough majority that we don't have to go through what we did in 2000. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: GUEST,Ragnar Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:37 PM Brucie: Peace Bro. It was fun tonight. R |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Cluin Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:33 PM I'll be glad to see the back of it. My f##k, but the American campaign seems to go on for years. Which ever way it goes (to Kerry, please), let's hope it's over quickly, more quickly than last time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Peace Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:18 PM GUEST Idiot: You seem bombed already. Don't need the moose. LOLOLOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:14 PM Yo, Idiot, Rag 'er whoever you are at the moment.... Why not find a kiddy site to play in.... There are adults here and they know lots more about lots of stuff than you do. No offense but, hey, this thread isn't about showing off ones inadequarcies but commenting on ones *thoughts* (I know, strange concept) on the election. (What election, you ask?) I rest my case... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: chris nightbird childs Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:09 PM Hahahaha... funny... just for a second. Mooses? Get out! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: GUEST,Idiot Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:06 PM You gonna bomb me with some nuclear tipped mooses? I |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Peace Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:54 PM Oberon, Fuzzy, Idiot, whoever you are at this moment: Don't guess. You do know nothing about Canada. What you get for being so closed-minded is a tremendous ignorance; however, you are very adept at showing it, so I figure that's in your favour. Not like your stupidity will be a surprise to anyone. Tell me when you want to stop the pissin' contest that you started. You apologize and you and I call it quits. Otherwise, bite me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: GUEST,Oberon Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:44 PM Brucie: So Canaydians are a different race? Guess I don't know much about Canada. That's what I get for minding my own business. O |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: chris nightbird childs Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:40 PM *glub, glub, glub* |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: GUEST,Jocko Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:38 PM Amos: How about a big boat with all of the Democrats in it and a big ass flood to drown all of the EVIL Republicans? You can stand up on the bow with a long flowing beard flapping in the breeze holding a shepards staff while the lightning crackles and the rain begins. Jocko |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Ebbie Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:34 PM Omens de Ebbie: The BoSox pulled off an amazing feat. (Happy thought) The Redskins lost the game (Long standing tradition) Kerry is the taller man.(Frequently the winner) Kery has a longer name. (Frequently the winner) Here is an upbeat take on the final day: Smile "He thanked Wisconsin for the Green Bay Packers' win over the Washington Redskins Sunday night. The crowd cheered, many aware that a Redskins loss in the team's last home game before the election has predicted an incumbent loss for nearly 70 years. Wisconsin Sen. Herb Kohl, a Democrat who also owns the Milwaukee Bucks, stood at Kerry's side. "He was telling me that when it comes to the Milwaukee Bucks, he always goes for the taller player," said Kerry, who is five inches taller than Bush. "And he said the same thing holds for being president of the United States, a taller player." |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:12 PM I'm with you jOhn -
Neither of us can vote, on Tuesday, let it ride.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Peace Date: 01 Nov 04 - 09:58 PM Right On, chris nightbird! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: chris nightbird childs Date: 01 Nov 04 - 09:57 PM I hope Kerry continues to do what he's been doing... KICKING BUSH'S ASS!! We'll see what happens tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Charley Noble Date: 01 Nov 04 - 09:21 PM I'm with Amos on this one. I'd love to see a late surge of voters providing a decisive win for Kerry and repudiating the Bush Administration in no uncertain terms. However, what I'd expect to see is deadlock in several major battleground states, where the margin of victory is far less than the initial contested ballots. Fortunately, I'll be very busy all election day and won't have any time to think about this, or even tune in to Mudcat. Vote often! Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Peace Date: 01 Nov 04 - 09:10 PM Oberon, Fuzzy, Ragnar--take your meds ya dumb fuck. Triple the dose and next time ask yer dad to wear a condom. Canadians don't impeach. There is a non-confidence vote in the House of Commons (basically, if a major piece of legislation is defeated, the government folds). Your lack of knowledge is in complete agreement with your stupidity, ya racist piece of shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Bill D Date: 01 Nov 04 - 09:02 PM ran up from the TV to post this: I also think that if the best person the Bush-Cheney campaign can put on CNN for a debate the night before the election is Ralph Reed, then we KNOW what is driving this election!!!!!! remember "The Christian Coalition" and Pat Robertson? Remember the interviews with this smarmy, condescending, piece of righteousness during the Reagan campaign? Ralph Reed as a MAJOR spokesman for the Republicans!!!!........................... |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: GUEST,Oberon Date: 01 Nov 04 - 08:33 PM I think that arrogant asshole they got in charge up there in Canaduh needs to be impeached. Only dumb ass would vote for him. O |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: GUEST,Oberon Date: 01 Nov 04 - 08:30 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Bill D Date: 01 Nov 04 - 08:28 PM my wish is that the ghost of Harry Truman will appear to every voter, waving that newspaper that says "Dewey Wins"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Peace Date: 01 Nov 04 - 08:14 PM I agree with Amos. 1) My wish for America is that it gets rid of the Electoral College. 2) Kerry decisive victory. 3) Kerry slim victory. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Amos Date: 01 Nov 04 - 08:08 PM That the race continue too close to predict until the day of votes at which point a groundswell of outrage rise up and swamp the Republicans right out of the land, out of the WHite House and out of the Senate in a landslide before anyone can even doubt it for a second. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 04 - 08:05 PM Well stated, jOhn... No pussy footin' wid you, pal... No top three... I like a man of few words... Wish I was that man sometimes... Sometimes not... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 01 Nov 04 - 08:02 PM i think i'm fed up of hearing about it. |
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Subject: BS: THE ELECTION... Your thoughts... From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 04 - 08:00 PM Not that we haven't been touchin' on, okay somethimes touching heavily on, the '04 Presidential Election but I'd just like to go on record of listing my hopes for this election: 1. I hope it is a complete and total clusterf*ck (excuse my rare use of the "f word"). Yes, this is my greatest hope tonight. I hope that the courts are clogged up and I hope that this election ends up in the House or Representatives. And I hope that the deal that comes out of the House is that the un-democratic "winner take all" Electorial College gets a stake thru the heart. It is bad for democracy and it is equally bad for third parties... Even if Bush is awarded another 4 years of screw-ups, if we could get this from this election, then in the future, unless the people get even dumber (you know, like animal cracker stupid, then we won't have any more George Bush's ruling, not governing, America.. 2. In the absence of my first hope then I hope that John Kerry wins the presidency with both the popular vote and the Electorui. Yes, I know in the past that I've said that maybe the US needs a ial College votre. Yes, I know I have said that Amnerica needs another 4 years of Bush just to be sure it learns it lesson but I'm stickin with a Kerry victory as my 2nd choice. 3. My third choice would be purdy much a repeat of last time around with not enought of a clusterf*ck to get the election to the House of Representatives but another selection of Bush by the Supremes. I think this would give America the 4 years it needs to decide once and ofr all that having a crook for president ain't the best idea and it will also plant the seeds to overhaul the system at some later date. So those are my top three choices for the outcome of THE ELECTION. What are yours? Bobert |
