BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 02:55 PM

And there is a very real danger of nuclear weapons being used in the Middle East. Biblical prophecy foretells Armageddon. There have been people alive in the past, and who have their counterparts today, who see themselves as part of these dangerous "prophecies", and who just might take on the role of making them come to pass. Something like the guy who says "In five minutes that door will open" and, lo and behold, in five minutes he gets up and opens it. An atomic holocaust is almost certainly a part of the crazed visions of those characters.
In fact it is the only scenario that fits the bill. The peoples of the world must get together. The much maligned United Nations is the only way; the concept suggested by the very name should make that clear.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 02:54 PM

Thank you all, and you too Wolfgang. I know when you meet your maker you'll be asking precisely what S/he meant by, "Thou shalt not kill" and arguing over the exact meaning of each word in the command. You are the most infuriating individual I have never met. LOL. (I have enough German in me that when I get a haircut they charge me $10.00. (Works out to $2.50 a corner.)) LOL

LH's remark is very interesting. It sparked a memory of the final scene in the original "Planet of the Apes." I wouldn't discout it just because it doesn't fit what I think I know.

And to Rapaire: I have had a recurring dream/thought of the scenario you mentioned. Something near San Diego is what I keep getting in that dream. I have never been there, but I am guessing it gets tankers in and out somewhere near there.

Anyway, I was curious as to waht y'all thought, because there seems to be a confluence of 'historical' things happening, and it is a bit disconcerting. To a guy my age--with the better part of a life behind him--well, it's not of personal importance. But I worry for the children of this world and the legacy we leave behind. Thanks again.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: greg stephens
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 02:36 PM

It is kind of worrying. It used to be possible to think, in the period after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that nobody would actually use the things first, having seen what they could do. This kind of consoling thought does not really apply to deluded young men who think that taking a few infidels to hell will get the perpetrator lined up with a mob of self-healing virgins in paradise. There have, of course,always been deluded young men around who will believe anything as long as sex is involved, but there haven't always been nuclear weapons available in car-boot sales in obscure ex-bits of the Russian empire. I think I'll go and have a pint at the Jolly Potters, it's all too much for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 02:35 PM

Little Hawk,s version of what happened at Sodom and Gomorrah is one helluva lot more plausible than the wild and woolly assertions contained in Hebrew histories. Pied Piper says "bollox". Maybe so, Sir---but you have no other potentially rational proposal to put forward, so L.H/'s guess is as good as yours or anybody's. My own thoughts have mulled over the "strangers" who "found the daughters of men to be fair". Wasn't it those "strangers" who supposedly warned the population not to look back? Were they one ---or the only one---instance of "alien" visitors? Legend has a way of being transferred in time to suit the whim of the story-teller. This tale may have its origins much further back in time, till the dawn of human intelligence in fact. Any rational person must be able to see that the mental abilities of the likes of Archimedes, Aristotle, and the peoples who originated math and literature had intelligence which matches or even surpasses any human intelligence which exists in these "modern" days. It seems to me that Human intelligence did not "evolve" over time, but came into being very suddenly.
   Just my thoughts, open to unconstructive "bollox" comment, but as good a guess as any . No one will ever know for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 02:25 PM

I'm not going to speculate on the odds, but I have found myself wondering from time to time lately if Bush envisions himself as being the one who will fulfill the biblical "armageddon" prophecy through the encouragement of a nuclear war in the Middle East.

That would be a hell of a legacy, wouldn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 02:06 PM

Likely, but like Wolfgang I'd like to know more about the time frame and so on.

Within the next year -- unlikely.
Within the next five years -- no way to call the odds because too much could change.

I firmly believe, however, that the US will experience at least one nuclear strike against it within the next, oh, ten years. There are far too many ways to deliver a bomb that don't depend upon missiles or airplanes, and some of the bombs are awfully small these days.

I'll share one possible scenario.

A terrorist group sets up as a legitimate oil tanker operation. They deliver oil to a US port -- San Diego, Chicago, Cleveland, Boston, Baltimore, where ever -- and establish a decent reputation. One day they sail with a nuclear artillery shell (possibly obtained from the Russians, but not necessarily) under the load of crude. They dock in their usual place and fire off the shell. Hard, ugly radiation is added to the blast effects. Yeah, the crew dies, but it's just a bigger car bomb. (And yes, I'm quite certain the FBI and other agencies have thought of this.)

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: grumpy al
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:53 PM

fifty to one in favour but it should make life easier cos when they nuke each other God can sort them out.
Why is there so much reliious strife in the middle east when, basically, they worship the same god?

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:52 PM

A lot more likely than it was a few years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:50 PM

Bush is increasing the probability by his unconscionable obstruction of the 2 programs securing Russian nuclear material.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 12:23 PM

At least Little Hawk is looking outside the little fishbowl we live in. People who don't, seem pretty limited and silly to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: Amergin
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 11:28 AM

LH thinks aliens did Sodom and Gomorrah...

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: GUEST,skipy
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 10:51 AM

Sadly odds on within 20 years!

Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 10:22 AM

I predicted to my wasband at the time I was living in Greece that the Middle East would use a nuclear bomb within Five years. That was in 1983.

My timing was off, I'm happy to say...but I still think the odds are in favour of it happening there.

I hope I remain wrong....to say the least!

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 09:35 AM

Bollox

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 09:07 AM

I don't wish to speculate about such a matter in terms of the future, but I think it's already happened before in the Middle East a very long time ago at Sodom and Gomorrah. (And yes, I'm serious. And no, I don't think "God" did it.)

An alternate translation of what happened to Lot's wife, who turned to look back at the destruction is that she turned into a pillar of "vapour", not salt. In other words, she was vaporized.

It has long been customary, as the ages of antiquity rolled past, to blame the more dramatic actions of either human beings or natural catastrophes upon "God".

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 09:00 AM

What folks say? This folk says that the question in the way it has been asked cannot be answered in a meaningful sense without a time scale.

Today, this month, til the end of the year, within the next 10 years, withing the next hundred years?

Fifty:fifty I'd say are the odds that I'll see it happen before I die. That would be thirty years with a bit of luck.

Wolfgang

Subject: BS: Nuclear weapon use in mid-East. Odds?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 03:32 AM

Curious as to what folks say on this thread. What do you think the chances are?