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Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ?
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Subject: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: katlaughing Date: 12 Nov 04 - 04:41 AM We've been using Mozilla 1.7.3 as our browser for quite a while now, thanks to you all. Now I see them touting Firefox 1.0 in the news this week. I just glanced at the info for each on at mozilla.org and don't see any difference, at least in that quick glance. Is Firefox 1.0 just a "bigger, better" version of Mozilla 1.7.3? Thanks, kat |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Kevin Sheils Date: 12 Nov 04 - 05:25 AM AIUI Mozilla is a full suite with browser, mail client, composer etc rather like a newer version of Netscape Communicator. Mozilla Firefox is a browser only, you would need a separate email client such as Mozilla Thunderbird or whatever. So I guess it depends on your needs. I'd imagine that Firefox and the browser part of Mozilla are very similar in functionality. But I may stand corrected. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: gnomad Date: 12 Nov 04 - 06:26 AM I use and like Firefox 1.0, but haven't tried Mozilla. My understanding of the difference between them matches that of KevinS, so I guess the choice comes down to asking what you want the programme to do for you. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: katlaughing Date: 12 Nov 04 - 12:39 PM Thanks, very much. I think I'll stick with Mozilla. I like having the composer, etc., though I do have Thunderbird separate for email, on purpose. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't out on something with the new FF1.0. kat |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: MudGuard Date: 12 Nov 04 - 01:05 PM You can run Firefox 1.0 and Mozilla 1.7.3 on the same machine without any problems, so if you don't fear the download (only 4,69 MB = 4.919.296 bytes) you can test yourself which browser you prefer for daily use ... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Nov 04 - 01:19 PM According to Mozilla, Firefox is not the browser comoponent of Mozilla. See here for details. I downloaded Firefox a couple of days ago and like the look of it - it's now my default in place of IE6. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Bill D Date: 12 Nov 04 - 01:36 PM I use both Opera & Firefox...I am using Firefox mostly because it is even more configurable than Mozilla....that is, people are writing more 'extensions' for it to do many tricks. There is now one that will save your setup just as it is if there is a crash....you re-open it, and you are right back at the page(s) where you were. If you like the composer in Mozilla, fine(there are LOTS of other good, free HTML programs)...but otherwise, I see 'most' of the future efforts going into the standalone programs like Firefox. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Nov 04 - 04:02 PM I just downloaded Firefox 1.0 last night. I need a little time to drive it past a variety of pages. I noticed that some didn't display properly in Firefox 0.9, and will go back to recheck them with 1.0. I use Thunderbird for one of my email accounts and like it just fine. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Bill D Date: 12 Nov 04 - 05:53 PM SRS...somewhere I saw a site that 'tests' your browser in all the main various browser types...displays it in various configurations. I don't know how they do it, and I'd have to look it up, as I can't remember where it was. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 12 Nov 04 - 06:02 PM Best of all is the feature that changes it's name. Don't you just love a browser with a sense of humour? :D |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: mack/misophist Date: 12 Nov 04 - 09:53 PM I use both Opera7.23 and Firefox 0.9.1 (not tried 1.0 yet). Opera is much faster but can be a pain to use sometimes for java and flash. I keep Firefox mostly because it does java and flash automatically and well. Does any one know if 1.0 is any faster than 0.9? The speed difference between Opera and Firefox is very great on my machine. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Bill D Date: 12 Nov 04 - 10:42 PM the 'internal' speed in Opera is much faster for me....I mean going back & forth between pages, going forward and back in a series, and refreshing. It also has very easy, intuitive hot keys...Q,A,Z,X for tabbing thru links and going forward & back...and 1 & 2 for tabbing between open tabs...left index finger does it all. I notice no particular difference in LOADING web pages. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: mack/misophist Date: 13 Nov 04 - 09:54 AM Interesting. I do. It must be idiosyncratic. Firefox alsays takes about 6 seconds to load refdesk.com, for example; Opera takes about two. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Bill D Date: 13 Nov 04 - 10:39 AM I suspect that Opera has a different cacheing algorithm than Firefox. Since I had been to refdek recently, comparing them was not possible...but since I got cable awhile back, load time is practically irrelevant.....it is that internal speed that concerns me. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Chris Maltby Date: 13 Nov 04 - 10:36 PM One of the cool extensions for Firefox is a flash object blocker. What flashblocker does is to install a placeholder where the flash content is supposed to go. If you click on the placeholder it downloads and runs the flash content. Meaning you don't have to be annoyed by all those flash ads on sites that can't be blocked using Mozilla's inbuilt rightbutton image blocking capability. http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: simon-pierre Date: 13 Nov 04 - 10:47 PM I'm still with the Mozilla suite, altough I also have Thunderbird and Firefox install. I like the suite, but I find it a bit outdated now : some sites looks pretty ugly in the browser, the composer is under any standards... I think I'll finally make the switch to Firefox/Thunderbird. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: nutty Date: 14 Nov 04 - 06:25 AM I started using Firefox about a month ago mainly for downloading, which seems to be much less hassle than with Netscape or Explorer. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Bill D Date: 14 Nov 04 - 11:09 AM and Firefox also has a "download with" extension that you can install to send downloads to a dedicated downloader like DLExpert or Net Transport...quite an amazing set of configurable possiblilities. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Rapparee Date: 14 Nov 04 - 11:16 AM I've been using Firefox and Thunderbird at work for since August and I love 'em. I'm thinking about replacing Netscape on all the public terminals with Firefox IF it will work with the Internet filter we have. I'm also seriously thinking about using it at home, at least on my machine, but my wife doesn't want to change from Netscape. I've used Opera, but couldn't see any advantage to it. I intensely dislike IE in all its forms. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Nov 04 - 11:32 AM I've been using Firefox 9.2 for some time. I like the way it's got this range of extensions you can add on if you feel like - for example one which you right click on and you can remove any object you don't like on the page (it does'nt work with posts made by **, I'm afraid.) The only downside is that so far I haven't found a spellchecker to use with it like HotLingo, which only works with Internet Explorer. When my posts have lots of typos in them, that probably means I'm using Firefox. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Bill D Date: 14 Nov 04 - 11:48 AM the spell check solution is TinySpell....works AS you typr (type) the 'typr' brought a little 'beep' and a color change to the icon and a list of suggested words. One click changed the error. (Opera has many neat features which suit the way I browse, but if it died, I would happily use Firefox with only a slight adjustment)...and I have a program which will convert and sychronize bookmarks between the two browsers if I want. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: treewind Date: 14 Nov 04 - 12:13 PM Kat, if you are still reading this thread - Firefox is quite different from Mozilla and worth a try. It had a far nicer user interface, built-in popup blocker, tabbed browsing and is generally far less clunky in feel than plain Mozilla. The "Mozilla" name behind it is about the only thing they have in common. I'm sure Firefox is the future of Mozilla and it ought to become the future of web browsing too, though Windows/IE user inertia will prevent that from happening in reality. Anahata |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: nutty Date: 14 Nov 04 - 01:12 PM People don't seem to realise that you can have more than one browser. I have IE ....COS IT COMES WITH WINDOWS NETSCAPE .... COS I DON'T WANT THE HASSLE OF RESAVING ALL MY BOOKMARKS AND EMAILS. and FIREFOX .... COS IT MAKES DOWNLOADING SO EASY Netscape is my default browser but there has been no conflict with the others. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Bill D Date: 14 Nov 04 - 01:17 PM interestingly, there is a glowing review of Firefox in this morning's Washington Post it explains all the features and plans better than I can. (you do have to register, I believe...like the NY Times....but it is not a big deal.) (yep, nutty...I have 5 browsers..down from 7 or 8 last year....) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: treewind Date: 14 Nov 04 - 02:22 PM I've got a few here, let's see... Firefox (the one I use on the web) Mozilla (I use this as a newsreader) Opera Konqueror Galeon I occasionally use the last three to check that web pages render reliably on different browsers. Anahata |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Bill D Date: 15 Nov 04 - 12:17 PM then there's K-Meleon and Off-by-One, both slim & fast...and several built on the IE frame which seem to be liked, but I just don't care for the IE interface. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: JohnInKansas Date: 15 Nov 04 - 04:47 PM A recently received newsletter offers links to reviews, and news, about Firefox. Sorry I can't link the email original, but the articles at eWeek may be of interest. Apparently quite a few people have been downloading Firefox without realizing that they were getting a beta version. A "final" is now out, so some may want to get the update. One of the articles comments that Firefox is the "first program known to have achieved market penetration as a beta issue," so apparently people like it, or at least are looking hard for something to like. As received: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mozilla Firefox Ships Yes, Virginia, there is a viable alternative to Internet Explorer. It's the new Firefox browser, and from all of our extensive analysis, it's a home run. If you're looking for a safer and simpler browsing experience, look no further than this fantastic, and free, product. We've got an in-depth review of Firefox, an analysis of 10 of the best add-ins and more in our team coverage of the Firefox launch--including how the browser was patched in less than a day to fix a security flaw. And if you're waiting for Google's rumored browser, don't hold your breath--it's a chimera, according to our report. ---------------------------------------------------------------- I note some comment about "but it doesn't have...". One of the articles gives a link to a Firefox add-ons site, where you can browse for attachable utilities that may be worth a look. Most of the linked stuff is at eWeek, where there are lots of ads, (not popups, though) and they do use "DoubleClick" cookies. Most articles have a "print" button near the bottom of the first page where you can avoid clicking perpetual "Next Page" buttons. There is also some redundancy, as several individual articles may all link to each other. From my relatively "uninformed" observation, the articles do give a pretty good "status" on Firefox. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Bill D Date: 15 Nov 04 - 05:39 PM 'beta', in the case of Firefox, is kind of a technical point, as it has been quite usable under different names for a couple of years. And even 'final' is a misnomer, as it will still be developed. Many people NEVER get updates and are still quite happy with 0.8 or so... It is a great browser for folks who love to tinker and customize their settings and change the looks... (I had one version which I made look like wood paneling) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: JohnInKansas Date: 15 Nov 04 - 06:32 PM Bill D. - The "beta" label was probably appropriate in this case, since there was appparently a coordinated effort to "roll a new version" and some changes were made (to plug a couple of vulnerabilities, for example) with a re-release of a "more finished" version under the "same new ver no" identity. The previous "release" was - in the fine print - labelled as a beta. I haven't followed it closely enough to worry about the semantics of it, but the "same ver no" is now "improved" and available, and people may want to "update within this version," if they got theirs a month or more ago (particularly for the vulnerability patch, which appears to be recent). The info linked will probably be of more interest to those new to Firefox than to old hands, but there is some interesting info on the available plug-ins that may not (based on comments seen) be known by some who've used it for a while. Comments on website compatibility are worth noting. (Even in a "bad" situation, it's good to understand what the situation is.) John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Bill D Date: 15 Nov 04 - 06:44 PM yep...the more information, the better!...why I just realized I am still using 0.9.2! Well...soon...*grin* |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: NH Dave Date: 15 Nov 04 - 07:36 PM I think one thing we have to remember, Internet Explorer has to remain on your hard drive to allow many parts of Windows to operate, but you don't have to use it as your browser, and probably shouldn't due to its many bugs and security holes. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 15 Nov 04 - 07:52 PM Thnaks Bill - I might start using TinySpell. But I'd much prefer it if HotLingo could work with Firefox. I prefer to do my typing and then do the spellcheck, rather than having some busy robot leaning over my shoulder as I go. Especially one using an American Dictionary... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Bill D Date: 15 Nov 04 - 09:39 PM well, I didn't offer this one because it only works up to Win98, but I used it for a couple of years....so if you are one who had not updated... (and even if not, it's dictionaries might be useful for someone..) or, this one 'might' be useful.. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: GUEST Date: 15 Nov 04 - 09:48 PM .gargoyle....posted a germain - on-topic - reply to this thread.
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: treewind Date: 16 Nov 04 - 06:04 AM Version Numbers: Firefox 1.0 was released last week, which is why there was all the noise in the press. Before that there was 1.0PR (Pre-Release) and 1.0 RC1 (Release candidate 1), which may explain the confusion. I don't think Firefox automatically flagged new updates available between 1.0RC, 1.0PR and 1.0 proper. Development will continue, of course, but the 1.0 is a stable release which add-ons (like Googlebar) can make themselves compatible with without becoming unexpectedly out of date. Anahata |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: John Routledge Date: 04 Jan 05 - 07:00 PM Following an article and editorial comment today in The Times (UK) I have installed Firefox 1.0. It seems to work superbly and is very intuitive and customisable. The editorial finishes with "Until now Microsoft had a monopoly on our virtual civilisation. Mr Ross has found another door to the future,faster better and cheaper.Newton would be proud." |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Bill D Date: 04 Jan 05 - 10:46 PM John...be sure to explore all the extensions available. They make Firefox amazingly versatile and personalizable... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: John Routledge Date: 05 Jan 05 - 07:23 PM Thanks Bill. I have just had a look at them - Awesome!! Have now also got rid of M.S Outlook and feeling better already :0) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 05 Jan 05 - 08:51 PM "Loved Firefox" at first.....however,
It appears to act with "server type qualities" (like e-mule, napster, kazaa) - too many ports want to stay open and ACTIVE.
Yes...there are no pop-ups (correct config of IE will accomplish the same thing) but much like the browser (devilfinder "send me to hell") there may be a hidden "bonus egglett."
I liked mozella and their orginal (1992) root philosophy....but something queer is happening in the last ten days. (Do not forget the Netscape/Win WARS - a cyber-battle is currently in motion....their will be casualties.)
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 05 Jan 05 - 08:55 PM Somehow....I sort of excepted a sick-pussy to lead into a danger-zone.
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Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla 1.7.3 or Firefox 1.0 ? From: Bill D Date: 05 Jan 05 - 11:09 PM oh, nuts, gargoyle! "Open Ports" and "server qualities" is not an issue with Firefox....many, many experts are praising Firefox for its ability to preserve privacy and security, as well as offer configurable features. What browser DO you use regularly? |
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