BS: America commits war crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: freda underhill
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 09:05 AM

what is a war crime

US the first to try and define war crimes?

yet another definition of war crime

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: artbrooks
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 08:39 AM

There is a court at the Hague which has apparently been defined, by those who have signed on to a particular international agreement, as the one and only place where war crimes may be tried. The present US political administration, rightly or wrongly, has chosen not to participate in the activities of this tribunal. That being said, would anyone care to define "war crime?" Are all crimes committed during a war war crimes, or does it require some violent act by a member of the military? Are individual, ad hoc, acts of violence included or is some sort of concerted effort or conspiracy required? Can, or should, all violent crimes committed during a military conflict be referred to this tribunal?

The incident in question, and there should be no doubt that it, if accurately reported, was a crime, was committed by a young man who apparently shot a wounded Iraqi. This same young man saw a comrade killed the previous day by a wounded Iraqi concealing a weapon. Is this justification? Of course not. Is this the policy of the US military command? Of course not.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Stu
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 08:34 AM

If he hadn't been caught on camera, he would have got a way with it.

This must happen all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Davetnova
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 08:11 AM

According to the news Americans don't commit war crimes. The soldier will apparently, if the evidence warrants it, be tried as an individual for murder, not as a soldier for war crimes. Americans don't do war crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: freda underhill
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 07:15 AM

there's an article on that topic here, Kendall


Attacks against World Court by Bush, Kerry and Congress Reveals Growing Bipartis

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 07:03 AM

Kendall here. Why do you think Bush doesn't want anything to do with the World Court?

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 06:24 AM

No doubt soldiers who are foolish enough to do things like that in front of news cameras will be punished. Or at least, proceedings of some kind exploring whether they should be charged will be started, and will continue at least as long as there is media attention.

But whoever was responsible for letting a news camera get anywhere near this will be in serious trouble. "Embedding" journalists is supposed to make sure that kind of picture doesn't get into the media.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Dead Horse
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 03:53 AM

American soldiers commit war crimes.
Don't we all?
Or do you stick to the rules when your buddy has just been blown up!
I will admit to thinking that the more gung-ho a unit is, the more they are likely to see no wrong in their actions.
There is absolutely no nation more gung-ho than the Americans.........
(Read that back to me. Yes, as I feared, confused thoughts from an often
confused & frustrated ex-squaddie who deep in his heart knows it's all gone to shit in a hand cart)

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Metchosin
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 02:40 AM

Some of the civilians that aren't there........ anymore

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 02:39 AM

"Dead insurgents" is soon to become an oxymoron.


As to answering your question, jOhn, "I wonder how many of the so called insurgents were unarmed civilans?"

As in most wars, we'll never know.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 02:09 AM

One American Military genius reckons that "there are no civilians in Fallija" [!!!!] The puppet "prime minister" says there are "no civilian casualties". So the "christian" right mudheads who voted to perpetuate the slaughter can face their "god" in the morning after all.
   If SCORES of civilian dead is not a conservative estimate, I'd be very surprised. "Dead insurgents" probably include men, and women, AND children.
   There is one inescapable fact, and that is no matter what view you take of those fighters in Iraq, their heroism cannot be denied. Their cause may be flawed, and bringing death and destruction to innocents around them, but they are not the ones wielding the heavy stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 01:56 AM

ok point taken, this thread should have been called
American Soldiers commit war crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: LadyJean
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 01:50 AM

Sir John, I've been sitting in my home, the beaver colony (One dam thing after another.)   I did not commit a war crime. I did not vote for Bush. I do not support the war in Iraq. I did hear about the marine shooting an unarmed civilian on the six o'clock news, and I'm hoping my government will punish him. I may drop my congressman a line and insist that something be done. Do not blame a whole country for the actions of a few.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 01:46 AM

Sir jOhn - I'd say there is so much disrespect for the Muslims of Iraq that the most the U.S. will do in Falluja is a body count (if that).

d

Subject: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 01:33 AM

Just seen this on ITV [Independent Television News], they should footage of american marines shooting dead an unarmed civillian in a Mosque.
On the same piece of footage, a young Iraq man is seen with gunshot wounds to his leg, he says "I gave you information about the insurgents yesterday, then you shot me", he was also unarmed.
I wonder how many of the so called insurgents were unarmed civilans?