BS: Land Of The Free

Subject: BS: Land Of The Free
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 09:41 AM

Clueless.

44 percent of Americans want to restrict civil rights of Muslim- Americans; results called "disturbing"

By WILLIAM KATES, Associated Press
First published: Saturday, December 18, 2004

ITHACA -- Nearly one in two Americans believe the U.S. government should restrict civil liberties for Muslim-Americans, according to a nationwide Cornell University poll on terrorism fears.

The survey also found respondents who identified themselves as highly religious supported restrictions on Muslim-Americans more strongly than those less religious...

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: frogprince
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 10:14 AM

Please, let this fall apart under examination somehow; a survey with badly worded questions, or something...

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: Amos
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 10:27 AM

I join you in your prayers, frogprince. Just some kind of yellow journalism, the sad result of too many Republicans peeing in the snow.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 10:55 AM

Like a dog, they fervently want the World to know: "I was here, and I run things around here!"

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 11:03 AM

Ithaca, NY is the home of Manur Rafizadeh, an Iranian who has owned a bottled water plant and a dairy farm since the 70s. The natives have never been pleased.

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 11:03 AM

Mansur

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: kendall
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 12:09 PM

"There is nothing as scary as ignorance in action" Goetha'

When I was a boy during WW2 we had a bakery in town owned by a man named Derksen. People thought it was german and stopped trading there. Damn fools didn't know he was a DANE!!

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 12:09 PM

Yes, it does depend on how the question was worded. Do they also agree that civil liberties should be restricted for all Americans? Seems to me that civil liberties, in general, are not valued by many Americans or they wouldn't be putting up with the invasion of privacy that is prevalent today.

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 12:25 PM

It's being covered all over the place.

"Forty-eight percent of Americans said the group's rights shouldn't be restricted. The survey, which was commissioned by the Media and Society Research Group at Cornell's Department of Communication, is based on 715 telephone interviews. It has a margin of error of 3.6 percent, Cornell said in a statement on its Web site."


From a Different Site

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: InOBU
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 01:09 PM

Hey! Let's make this a Music Thread!!!!

Home of the Brave and Land of the Free
Words by Lorcan Otway, tune Dark Ships in the Forrest (more or less)
all rights resv.

By Bennington's fields in the steel light of dawn
crouched by a stone wall, where I knew they'd come on
Musket primed for a foe from far over the wave
in the land of the free and the home of the brave

In this fledgling nation, just learning to fly
we rallied to Shays vowing live free or die
George Washington's killers chased thousands like me
our crime being brave, our intent to be free

In tobacco fields my mother's labor pains
brought me to the life of the lash and slave chains
I fled north to Canada from slavery
to the home of brave and the land of the free

See Crazy Horse riding now over the plain
To greasy grass battle, a victory to gain
From Yellow Hair's murders his people to save
the Lakota live free in the home of the brave

In a dark prison cell, I barely can see
Hans Yoder who lies bruised and tortured like me
We Quakers and Amish no Great War will fight
We bravely sought freedom from tyranny's might

With great grandfather's musket I offered the fight
to a coward in a jet plane who struck in the night
My forefathers in these mountains like me
made Afghanistan home to the brave and the free

So now in these days when the banners all wave
ask yourself what is freedom and where are the brave
have courage to stand with the brave and the free
when your nation strays from the path of liberty

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 02:25 PM

funny problem, ain't it...if you profile and persecute people based on religious and racial/cultural grounds, you end up making life miserable for thousands of perfectly honest, nice folks...but if you are fair, reasonable people and give everyone the benefit of the doubt, you allow the few bad ones to easily bide their time and do damage at their leisure.

The REAL problem, my friends, is buried so deep in human nature and superstition and fear that we are not likely to ever solve it.

What, me? cynical?...nawwwwwwww...

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 06:29 PM

Just because people will fight for what they see as their own civil liberties does not mean they will stand up for somebody else's civil liberties if that someone else happens to be black, Muslim, leftist, Injun, long-haired, gay, etc...

"Not on your nelly!" as Frank Burns used to say.

Nope. "Civil liberties is only fer them whut thinks jest like I do! Meanin'...the RIGHT way!"

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 07:11 PM

Dear God. Not again.

When will they ever learn, oh, when will they ever learn?

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: number 6
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 07:41 PM

It was in USA Today also.

This is scarry .... no, they will never learn

Subject: RE: BS: Land Of The Free
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 06:16 AM

America is no longer the land of the free, but it sure is the home of the brave.